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Was Kennedy murdered by
his own vice president?

Sunday Express [UK], by Staff

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/25/2013 5:41:54 AM

On Thursday, November 21, 1963, a wealthy Dallas businessman was throwing a party. His name was Clint Murchison and he was big in the oil business, with additional interests in banking and publishing. His influential guest list included Richard Nixon, in Dallas on business for his clients the Coca Cola Company. Oil billionaire HL Hunt was also present along with Senator John Tower, Chase Manhattan banker John McCloy and Murchison’s particular friend, FBI director J Edgar Hoover. Into the gathering strode Vice President Lyndon B Johnson, accompanied by his Dallas mistress Madeleine Brown. He had left President Kennedy and those

The above isn´t a book review, per se, it seems like more of a teaser for Who Killed The President? The Definitive Account of Fifty Years of Conspiracy by Matthew Smith. Living in New Orleans in the late sixties, I actually met Jim Garrison at a political event and Clay Shaw at a French Quarter party. It was a strange and fascinating few years until the Garrison investigation faded.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: sinic, 8/25/2013 6:27:38 AM     (No. 9489949)

I have always thought that, when taking everything into consideration, LBJ was by far the worst thing that ever happened to the USA. My opinion is subject to change...given the escapades of the current occupant. Carter was nothing compared to these guys.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: pc504, 8/25/2013 6:42:30 AM     (No. 9489961)

I had heard thru the years that it was Carlos Marcello the mob boss of New Orleans that ordered the hit because he was unhappy about being dumped in Guatemala. The story goes that when he got back into the country someone suggested that he wack Bobby Kennedy. His supposed reply was that would be cutting the tail off of the dog. In any event the smartest thing Johnson did was putting Earl Warren in charge. If anyone would come up with the wrong conclusion it was Earl.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/25/2013 6:43:54 AM     (No. 9489962)

No, he wasn´t.

John Kennedy was murdered by a loner who had been rejected by almost everyone in his life, including his wife the day of the assassination. The alternate theories will never die, however, especially when there is yet another book to sell.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 8/25/2013 6:45:13 AM     (No. 9489963)

The Garrison investigation didn´t fade. It justifiably collapsed.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 8/25/2013 6:48:55 AM     (No. 9489966)

I agree with 1. Between Johnson thinking himself a general and running the war from DC and the Great Society, Johnson was a disaster for us. Whether he could have or would have ordered an assassination is another matter. That he was capable of it, I have no doubt but would he take the chance? I doubt it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: tisHimself, 8/25/2013 6:57:07 AM     (No. 9489968)

That Warren report is rock solid. There´s no way Arlen Spector or any other trusted republican of his stripe would allow the fudging of results. George de Mohrenschildt? Nothing to see here.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Foggybottom, 8/25/2013 7:15:42 AM     (No. 9489978)

At this point what does it matter?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Standlow, 8/25/2013 7:33:53 AM     (No. 9489988)

One of LBJ´s mistresses said on The Mike Murphy radio show in Kansas City that LBJ told her the morning of Kennedy´s death that JFK would die that afternoon.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 8/25/2013 7:37:24 AM     (No. 9489991)

The Warren Commission! I´d almost forgotten that huge flap. {Say! That gives me an analogy. Obamacare is the Warren Commission Report on steroids.}

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Reply 10 - Posted by: BarryNo, 8/25/2013 7:46:58 AM     (No. 9490002)

My father was an oil company executive and this ´rumor´ was so common among the executive wives that my mother, who firmly believed it, began to talk about it openly.

I was a small child at the time, but I remember waking in thte night to go to their bedroom door because of an argument (very rare in our house because they usually got along very well).

My mother was saying, "I can´t believe you! Why are you letting this go on. That man!! The president!" That man was always LBJ, who she despised.

My dad said, "Honey, we can´t do a thing. It´s done. What do you think will happen if you keep talking about this and people start believing you? There would be riots. Do you think they´ll put up with that? And if the Russians think we can´t respond, do you think they´ll hesitate? If you don´t stop talking about this, we won´t have a family, and maybe not a country."

I didn´t understand till years later, after my dad had passed on, what they were talking about, that night.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bugboy, 8/25/2013 7:58:49 AM     (No. 9490019)

After reading the first of Robert Caro´s books on Johnson I´m not so sure that this story isn´t true. Johnson would cut and filet anyone that got in his way.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: uno, 8/25/2013 8:03:17 AM     (No. 9490026)

Well I don´t know anything about this, but if Johnson were around today it would be pretty entertaining to watch him pick up Barry by the ears!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: globalwarmer, 8/25/2013 8:13:57 AM     (No. 9490054)

Not sure if I buy the idea that LBJ was capable of murdering the President, but I do know he essentially murdered thousands of American boys by meddling in, and generally screwing up the Viet Nam war.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 8/25/2013 8:24:18 AM     (No. 9490070)

Thank you, #3. Unfortunately, too many people cannot or will not bring themelves to accept the simple truth.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 8/25/2013 8:38:56 AM     (No. 9490098)

At the time many of us believed that LBJ was probably behind Kennedy´s assassination.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: david kahane, 8/25/2013 8:42:22 AM     (No. 9490102)

Short answer: no. Longer answer: hell, no.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Judith, 8/25/2013 8:56:23 AM     (No. 9490130)

So many years later, we now have a better idea of the man and his family and realize he and his family were so bad they had an entire arena of people and groups that could have killed him, it would be hard pressed to pick one.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: enuf8, 8/25/2013 8:58:11 AM     (No. 9490134)

Listening to and watching videos of LBJ´s mistress certainly could have one easily convinced the narrative that Oswald was a full blown "patsy". Her´s was a very believable scenario. Much was withheld from the public by the Warren Commission and facts fabricated.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Kerryman, 8/25/2013 9:07:59 AM     (No. 9490154)

Unfortunately the author didn´t disclose that not only was President Kennedy against the Vietnam Nam War, but also worried about Global Warming and Gay Marriage!

Sempervivum Fi

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Reply 20 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/25/2013 9:16:49 AM     (No. 9490164)

#18, Lyndon Johnson didn´t have a mistress, he had scores, multitudes, legions of them over the years. I sincerely doubt any of them were privy to inside info about the happenings around the events on November 22, 1963.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: gaeditor, 8/25/2013 9:23:53 AM     (No. 9490174)

I know it was some sort of frame up, so did lots of people. My father, no wearer of tin foil hats saw Oswald shot and just stood saying over and over, "Now, that´s not right."

But just a true story: I had a good friend who watched another friend approached by a man who said (in front of her and several other witnesses -they were in a nightclub) that he "Needed help" (This was maybe two months after the assassination) and that when asked who he was, he showed ID and said "Up until this morning, I worked for the FBI." When he was asked (by the friend´s friend) why he should be helped, the man said "Because in this briefcase is information that will blow the lid off the Kennedy assassination." Why haven´t you heard about it?

Long story short -the next day the man was found a few hundred feet away, in a parking lot dead. The paper described his murder as "execution style."

My fried´s friend ran. She never saw him again. (There´s much more to that, none of it pretty.)

Last thing; I met one of the other people who was also present when this occurred. I asked him about it. I thought he was going to literally hurt me. He was furious, almost to the point of tears and screamed at the mutual friend: "You told! You told about that! Are you crazy!!"

So, #3, do I NOT believe that Oswald was anything BUT a patsy. I never will.

BTW, my friend made me and others swear we would never tell their names. And meant it. Truly meant it.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: LouD, 8/25/2013 9:38:20 AM     (No. 9490187)

Any article that says Kennedy tried, or was cutting the advisers in Vietnam should take a look at the facts. Kennedy escalated the number of armed forces there, from 900 in 1960 to 3205(1961), 11,300(1962) to 16,300 by 1963. If the article is that far wrong on facts, I wouldn´t believe any of the rest. I stand with #3!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: shamus, 8/25/2013 9:39:08 AM     (No. 9490191)

The family of Ngo Dinh Diem had JFK killed as payback for the CIA assassination perpetrated only three weeks earlier. The murdered Vietnamese president´s family used Communist ties to recruit Oswald, who had approached the Cubans and Russians in Mexico City offering his services.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Edgelady, 8/25/2013 9:42:10 AM     (No. 9490199)

Of course LBJ had it done. He even arranged to have his sister killed. He was ruthless.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Tanker76, 8/25/2013 10:01:33 AM     (No. 9490233)

I remember seeing a documentary on the 68 election and LBJ was asked in a press conference what he thought of Bobby, someone in his cabinet running against him, and his response was ´that is not going to be a problem much longer´ - within a short time Bobby was assassinated. Never have seen the program again and his comment chilled me at the time. LBJ was a slug, from falsifying and inflating his ´war record´ to his crooked politics to just plain incompetence, like most dim presidents we´ve had.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 8/25/2013 10:40:02 AM     (No. 9490290)

The article fails to provide context for statements it attributes to Johnson. Kennedy was in Dallas because of annoying political infighting in the local Democrat party. He expected Johnson to deal with it. Johnson had forced a difficult compromise between the two factions, enabling the President´s visit to Dallas to be a success. It was a political accomplishment that Johnson felt would prove his value to the Kennedy´s, thus they wouldn´t be laughing "after tomorrow."

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Susannah, 8/25/2013 10:41:29 AM     (No. 9490293)

This is old. Very old. Howard Zinn was pushing the idea that LBJ had JFK assassinated to his students at B.U. back in the late sixties.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Bison65, 8/25/2013 11:14:41 AM     (No. 9490366)

Give the book, "Mortal Error"´ a read. It takes the available forensics and provides an explanation of the multiple shooter theory found no where else. Even the liberal Baltimore Sun editorial page wrote that this theory need a hard look. I think the evidence provided in the book is difficult to dismiss. In essence it says Oswald alone would have been guilty with attempted murder. The fatal shot was accidental. Far fetched. Read the book you may change your mind.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Hazymac, 8/25/2013 11:20:30 AM     (No. 9490380)

I´m with #3 and #14 (and those who agree with them). Many people just can´t get it through their heads that only rarely does a noble Brutus kill a Caesar. Almost always it´s a miserable nonentity like Oswald who knew he´d never amount to anything unless he committed some monstrous crime such as a presidential assassination. The shots from the Texas Book Depository (250 feet) were simple for a Marine sharpshooter, especially with a scoped rifle. The shots have been repeated numerous times in tests with the exact same rifle, even by elderly shooters. The "magic bullet" evidence is hogwash, based as it is on a misunderstanding about where Gov. Connolly´s jump seat was located. (It was positioned left of where Kennedy was sitting, and was lower. The bullet travelled in a straight line.)

Marina Oswald was a Soviet citizen, and after moving to the USSR Oswald wanted to stay there. The Soviets, who quickly pegged him as an unstable character, wouldn´t have anything to do with him. LBJ and JFK were allies of political convenience, and likely had little use for each other personally, but it´s simply not believable that Johnson would have been involved in the Kennedy assassination. There was no conspiracy here--just one determined individual. And that´s all it takes.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: coyote, 8/25/2013 12:17:58 PM     (No. 9490492)


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Reply 31 - Posted by: happywarrior, 8/25/2013 12:37:38 PM     (No. 9490512)

It makes for great theater and books and actually gives some folks a reason to get up in the morning but plain and simple it was Lee, and Marina knows it too.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: grounded, 8/25/2013 12:39:34 PM     (No. 9490515)

I have few doubts that LHO was the lone shooter, but there have always been a number of intriguing competing theories out there. Read the latest Bob Lee Swagger book by Stephen Hunter for just one plausible alternative.

Now my dad, who was Texan all the way down to his toenails, firmly and unshakeably believed that LBJ had a hand in doing away with JFK until the day he died twenty years after.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 8/25/2013 12:58:44 PM     (No. 9490536)

It is also important to keep in mind how comparatively lax the security was in 1963. An open air motorcade, stopping to shake hands with people along the street - inconceivable today, but that was a different era. Modern presidents live in bubbles with carefully pre-screened audiences. It is hard to imagine any would-be malfactor getting a clear shot at a president in the 21st century.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 8/25/2013 1:05:54 PM     (No. 9490543)

I would have been comfortable with the ´lone gunman´ scenario if Jack Ruby hadn´t gotten involved.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: kanphil, 8/25/2013 1:15:01 PM     (No. 9490556)

I happen to believe, and have believed since the day of the assassination that #23 is somewhere close to the truth. If you go back and examine Mme Diem´s itinerary on and around the date, and if you know first hand vicious some Asian women can be when they feel they have been wronged, you might know what I´m talking about. Oswald may have been the lone shooter, but he had some encouragement.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/25/2013 4:21:50 PM     (No. 9490754)

#34, Jack Ruby had his own reasons for shooting Lee Oswald. They did not know each other and had no common acquaintances. Jack Ruby was as mentally misguided as Oswald, believing if he killed Oswald, Jackie Kennedy would be spared the circus of a trial. Ruby was a true underworld character, with all kinds of mob connections and trails of corruption and sleaze, but his story is separate from Oswald´s.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 8/25/2013 4:37:05 PM     (No. 9490765)

#23 An excellent, conservative, fiction writer - Charles McCarry wrote a novel based on the Vietnam angle. ´The Tears of Autumn´

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 8/25/2013 5:11:32 PM     (No. 9490796)

And then everyone who knew of, or participated in the assassination or was killed or never heard from again, but no one ever noticed. /s

It´s FAR more likely that JFK was gunned down in a Covert Op involving the KGB and Cuban hit men over all the attempts JFK and RFK made on Fidel´s life. If you believe in the saying, "What goes around, comes around," then you´ll see that´s not a far-fetched theory. It also took better marksmanship than what was possible from Oswald. I believe he was a "patsy." It also makes sense if you notice the change in the Dem Party attitude toward Cuba and Communism in general after Kennedy was murdered. Today you have to look hard to find a better friend to the Castro brothers than the Democrats.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: kennedylaw, 8/25/2013 5:39:42 PM     (No. 9490826)

Was LBJ capable of ordering a hit on JFK? Maybe.

Was he capable of pulling it off AND keeping it secret for 50 years? Nope. The idea that he could yap about it to his mistress and still manage to keep it secret is laughable.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 49 Ford, 8/25/2013 9:46:38 PM     (No. 9491182)

#38, it is certainly true that JFK´s murder and LBJ´s ascension to power and subsequent blundering opened the doors for the radical left. But that has nothing to do with Oswald himself and the psychopathology within him which led him to kill the president.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: grundoon, 8/25/2013 11:43:04 PM     (No. 9491260)

Let´s see, who had motive, means and method?
1. Republicans: for stealing the ´60 election
2. Johnson: for stealing the ´60 nomination
3. The mob: for turning on them after they helped steal the election.
4. The Cuban freedom fighters: for abandoning them at the Bay of Pigs
5. Castro: for CIA attempts to assassinate him
6. Kruschev: for embarrassing him in the Cuban missile crisis
7. Jackie: for screwing everything that walks. (Friend Arie had the means)
8. Mrs. Diem: for having her husband whacked three weeks earlier
9. Defense contractors: for cutting defense spending
Who am I missing??? Take a number. It´s amazing it took them that long to get him.

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Posted By: StormCnter- 4/15/2014 5:22:51 AM     Post Reply
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Obama Generation Losing
Interest in Obama

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Wall Street Journal, by James Freeman    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 4:23:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Chelsea Clinton no longer
ruling out politics

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Katz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 11:57:36 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton says when people ask her these days whether she wants to go into politics, her answer isn’t an automatic “no.” The 34-year-old former first daughter told Fast Company in an interview published Monday, “for so long the answer was just a visceral no. Not because I had made any conscientious, deliberate decision, but since people had been asking for as long as literally I could remember, it was no." Now, the only child of former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explains, "I live in a city and a state and a country where I

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of

You´re in denial if
you think Steve Israel is
wrong about GOP racism

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Daily Beast, by Michael Tomasky    Original Article
Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/14/2014 6:09:58 AM     Post Reply
Some time back, whenever a big racial controversy erupted, I trained myself into the habit of reading about it at FoxNews.com, just for the unbelievable comment threads. Let’s put it this way: If my friends and I went out to a bar and started playing a “let’s write the racist FoxNews.com comment thread” drinking game, our efforts couldn’t begin to approach what I read there.I wasn’t alone. Liberal websites started feasting on these threads. And so, a couple of years ago, Ailes & Co. got wise. Stories about race were, at least in my disheartened experience, closed to comments.

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