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Syria: First independently verified
pictures of ´chemical attack´ scene

Telegraph [UK], by Staff

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Posted By:Attercliffe, 8/24/2013 7:19:12 AM

Women and children can be seen lying in the rubble as well as an apparent missile that caused the alleged attack on Wednesday, which according to the opposition, has killed more than a thousand. A UN team is already in Syria but only has permission to visit specific locations. [Snip] Chemical weapons experts have agreed some kind of chemical attack took place, but are unsure whether it was caused by a nerve agent. US President Barack Obama said the alleged use of chemical weapons was "a big event of grave concern," as Britain accused Damascus of unleashing the weapons and

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ITV (Independent Television News) is a lot more respectable than CNN-CBS-ABC-MSNBC, etc.

"A big event of grave concern" - careless choice of words. A "big event" sounds more like a rock concert or a major election, not the deaths of 1300-plus people. And "grave concern"? You bet. This big event is going to mean a lot of digging.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: raphaela, 8/24/2013 7:39:22 AM     (No. 9488837)

But remember, there were no weapons of mass destruction found - it was all made up by Pres. Bush so that he could start a war and be just like his daddy. Will this be Bush´s fault too?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Patriot Forever, 8/24/2013 7:47:42 AM     (No. 9488849)

"Verified", and what difference does that make? The US will do nothing, not even to deliver the small arms promised - which are not what is needed. The US cannot be relied upon to back up its words. No surprise.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: FunOne, 8/24/2013 7:48:42 AM     (No. 9488851)

I resist pointing this out because of the tragic death of innocents including women and children. But even though there is proof of this crime, the question of who is responsible will remain unsolved.

We have learned that in that Islamic culture, sacrifice of one´s own family for radical beliefs is not uncommon. The party making the charge could have done this to blame it on the other party. What a sorry piece of the world those Muslims have made for themselves.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: MOBeef4u, 8/24/2013 7:49:46 AM     (No. 9488853)

While the gov. of Syria is certainly capable of using chemical attacks, I don´t trust the rebels not to stage something also. The fact that a putatively independent UN team is only allowed access to selected locations makes me even more suspicious that neither side can be trusted to be telling the truth.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: LanieLou, 8/24/2013 7:57:44 AM     (No. 9488865)

Remember... Obama "gifted" all Libya´s weapons to his Muslim Brotherhood partners. also, a weapons depot in Syria was invaded by the Mo Bro´s a year ago.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Janjan, 8/24/2013 7:59:33 AM     (No. 9488867)

Now we know what was on the trucks filmed driving into Syria right before we took down Hussein. No wonder Obama is hiding under the bed. This vindicates George W.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: snapper451, 8/24/2013 8:05:39 AM     (No. 9488876)

Yes, these would be the ones from Iraq that were hidden there. Turns out Bush was right all along - live with it liberals!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: jalo1951, 8/24/2013 8:12:07 AM     (No. 9488891)

What difference does it make now? s/o

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Reply 9 - Posted by: jglas, 8/24/2013 8:31:21 AM     (No. 9488913)

If it was caused by a nerve agent then the bodies of those killed by the agent ought to have enough residual agent on them to at least make those handling the bodies sick. Nobody seems to be taking special care in handling the bodies. And kicking a nerve gas shell around in the street, even though it is spent, seems like a suicidal thing to do. Nerve gas would point to Assad, but other poisonous chemical agents could likely be obtained by the rebels. So the people responsible for the attack remain unknown. Who would benefit most by the perception that Assad crossed Obama´s red line?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Salt5792, 8/24/2013 8:39:57 AM     (No. 9488924)

These are all Muslims, right?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Crosscut, 8/24/2013 8:46:03 AM     (No. 9488936)

Where did these WMDs come from? Iraq? Just sayin´.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/24/2013 8:57:17 AM     (No. 9488956)

#9, the bodies of hundreds of cats and dogs are being collected, reportedly for examination. The rebels probably do not have access to autopsy facilities, but reports say three victims of the attack have been smuggled into Jordan so their blood and urine can be checked.

See http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=749222

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Reply 13 - Posted by: edgar, 8/24/2013 9:13:52 AM     (No. 9488981)

HHS is investigating use as Rx option for Obamacare. For those cases where the patient is no longer worthy of govt healthcare.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: sadc, 8/24/2013 9:14:37 AM     (No. 9488983)

Gen Georges Sada, a general is Saddam´s air force came to our church and said he absolutely knew there were WMDs in Iraq and personally watched them loaded on huge civilian airplanes which had their seats removed. They all went to Syria. Also, others who have been in Iraq as well as the people who watched on tv saw that the Iraqis had atropine med kits on them when captured just in case the WMDs were released. The WMDs were not bogus as the media said. And Bush did a poor job of explaining all of it. Thank you Karl Rove for believing this was all so mundane, it did not deserve an explanation.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: steveW, 8/24/2013 9:42:23 AM     (No. 9489036)

We learned from the Democrats that since 2003 no Arab dictator supporting Islamic terror could possible have WMDs. Democrats are honest and well-intentioned, so this must be true. Bush lied, Bush lied and Bush lied.

And if al-Qaeda ever gets its hands on the bio and nuclear WMDs that according to those honest and well-intentioned Democrats cannot possibly exist, just remember that, in the words of President Gutsy Call´s famous mentor, America´s chickens will be coming home to roost.



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Reply 16 - Posted by: charliecoconut, 8/24/2013 9:45:47 AM     (No. 9489041)

Gee, do you think the MB did this to get their brother Obi to attack Assad?

Could these people have been killed and laid out for view by the MB to garner support from the feckless Americans?

If the MB in the WH is telling us this is from Assad, could you believe him?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 8/24/2013 9:57:51 AM     (No. 9489068)

Just some ´bumps´ in Obama, and vacationing Mrs. Cass Sunstein´s road. Not to worry Assad is fighting to keep his empire/country from the bearded muslim rats.
Obama´s muslim bros in arms.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: zbogwan2, 8/24/2013 10:09:37 AM     (No. 9489091)

When Ambassador Stevens and the Seals needed help Obama fiddled, so to speak. Now when civil war fatalities occur in Syria the Won suddenly grows a pair of balls. It appears that Obama´s hypocrisy knows no bounds, as Doc Holliday said in the flick Tombstone?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: horacer, 8/24/2013 10:11:26 AM     (No. 9489096)

There´s still no proof. Experts examining the photo´s have speculated that chlorine gas is more likely than a nerve agent, which points the finger at the rebels.

A big event of grave concern is the reentry into Syria of US trained rebel forces. Le Figaro reports they are being led by US, Israeli and Jordanian commandos. 2 units of 300 have entered Syria. If true we have boots on the ground, unauthorized boots.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: M2, 8/24/2013 10:40:10 AM     (No. 9489135)

FLAHSBACK: "We will find the perpetrators of the attack on our Embassy in Benghazi and bring them to justice." (paraphrase, but accurate).

And exactly what "justice" has been meted out, especially in light of the fact that the Benghazi investigators have, as of yesterday, I believe, been pulled out of the Middle East?

Just as "Present Voter" has cut-and-run from any hard decision, he will cut and run from taking responsibility for anything that will be done viz Syria. He doesn´t have the cojones. For God´s sake, look at that photo of him on his bike with that hat, if nothing else. All he needs is to wear a Speedoo.

Gratuitous ad hominem attacks aside, this POTUS won´t make a single move that isn´t made for him and for which he cannot say, "I was given this plan of action by our Military leaders and I´m going to play Spades now."

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Reply 21 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/24/2013 10:45:16 AM     (No. 9489143)

I shudder to think what the Middle East will look like by the time al-Obama leaves office. The place will be teeming with nukes, chemical and biological weapons, and radical Islamic regimes, all on Israel´s doorstep. Perhaps that is what he wants.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: RancherJack, 8/24/2013 10:50:32 AM     (No. 9489154)

And I´ve found pictures of children being made up to look like chemical weapon victims.

Which would you believe? That Palestinians stage fake deaths and funerals or the cabal that Obama serves is incapable of the same tactic?

Tick tock ....

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Gazelle2, 8/24/2013 11:04:31 AM     (No. 9489177)

At the risk of sounding like an uncaring troglodyte, at this point, I do not want to see any U.S. support for EITHER side in this conflict.
In Egypt we supported the overthrow of a U.S.-friendly dictator because of the way he treated his people. We accepted the replacement of the dictator by the Muslim Brotherhood. The result was a government that quickly devolved into an anti-American fundamentalist Islamic regime.
In Libya, using the same populist arguments, we threw the might of U.S air power into the goal of overthrowing an unfriendly but reasonably harmless Moammar Gadhafi. The result was a Libya controlled by Al-Qaeda.
Now, in Syria, our two awful choices are allowing Assad to remain in power or supporting the rebels who want to replace him with another Al-Qaeda regime.
My recommendation ... stand back and watch.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: busterman, 8/24/2013 12:34:34 PM     (No. 9489285)

The reason the WMD knowledge was downplayed was to prevent their location from becoming widespread news and allowing every terrorist in that region to swarm in and pick one up.

That´s not to say they still couldn´t be found through word of mouth. But the media standing right next to where they had just been discovered and broadcasting it for the world to see, verifies the location.

There were suitcases of weaponized chemical agents found in Iraq and at least one of those discoveries made the news in late 2004. Not long after, that article disappeared.

Naturally, as others have posted, the majority of the WMD left Iraq prior to kickoff. Perhaps Saddam was hoping for asylum in Syria at a later date and this was a down payment? Who knows?

One thing that has been discussed by myself and several friends (all of us, veterans) is the lack of ´bodily fluids´ present in the pictures and video, post attack.

Some of this video was blurred out, but the point is, you don´t go into an area after a chemical attack without seeing a lot of bodily fluid from the nose, mouth, ears and other orifices.

There´s no vomit, no blood...nothing. Perhaps the chlorine gas was used but still there should be some type of bodily fluid present.

I´m not saying it didn´t happen. Something obviously did. But exactly what, is still very uncertain.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: larryp, 8/24/2013 1:30:55 PM     (No. 9489360)

won´t use WMD anymore because it confuse with Obama as a Weapon of Mass Deception when he speaks...

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Attercliffe, 8/24/2013 5:39:41 PM     (No. 9489551)

#24, it is Islamic law that the deceased be bathed and any wounds sewn up and not displayed to the mourners. The mortuary workers then use some embalming processes to prevent the body from leaking fluids as it is laid out for viewing. Apparently, all this is paid for by the Islamic state.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Heartdoc, 8/24/2013 8:50:00 PM     (No. 9489713)

The pictures are staged. I am a physician and those people are not dead. It is Pallywood trying to draw us into war. Those photos are staged so Obama will draw us into this war where both sides hate us

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Reply 28 - Posted by: heidicat, 8/24/2013 9:33:42 PM     (No. 9489751)

No. 6....that is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read the headline. It´s something I never forgot about and knew the day would come when it would come to light.
God save us.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: TX_blanke, 8/24/2013 9:44:15 PM     (No. 9489757)

Amen to #6 and #23. I´m still waiting for that MSM apology to George W. Bush.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: IMSully, 8/24/2013 10:08:32 PM     (No. 9489774)

Poster 9, It will depend on what type of agent was employed. G Types are evaporative, volatile and non persistent. V-Types are persistent and will still be detectable and lethal. Either way, any poor soul murdered by either will exhibit tell tale pathology that will prove that the Red Line has been crossed.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
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WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

White House asks American parents to
monitor their children for signs of terrorism

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Daily Caller, by Eric Owens    Original Article
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In a speech earlier this week, Lisa O. Monaco, President Barack Obama’s assistant for homeland security and counterterrorism, insisted that American parents must be vigilant because their “confrontational” children could be on the verge of becoming terrorists. Monaco’s full, prepared text is available here. She presented the speech, entitled “Countering Violent Extremism and the Power of Community,” at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government on April 15. Monaco began her remarks by eloquently describing the lives tragically lost last year during the Boston Marathon bombings. Interestingly, the Harvard grad failed to mention the religion or the motive of brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan

Ann Coulter takes up ‘Mitt
Romney for President’ chant again

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Conservative columnist Ann Coulter — who used her talk show platform in the last presidential election cycle to campaign hard for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — has taken up the mantra once again, calling on Republicans to give the failed White House bidder another shot in 2016. She made the suggestion during a discussion on Sean Hannity’s radio show while speaking of her new book, “Never Trust a Liberal Over 3-Especially a Republican.” Ms. Coulter also addressed the question of Mr. Romney’s shortcomings by saying that his 2012 loss wasn’t entirely his fault. “I think too much blame, not only in this

You lie! Reporters accuse Obama
of deception, demagoguery just
to get attention

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Washington Examiner, by Paul Bedard    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/18/2014 9:28:24 PM     Post Reply
Prominent Washington correspondents are accusing President Obama and his aides of knowingly stretching the truth on issues like the so-called women´s pay gap just to create controversy and keep issues -- and the president -- relevant. Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus kicked off the attack last week when she blasted as “demagoguery” the administration´s tactics during the pay gap debate. “The level of hyperbole -- actually, of demagoguery -- that Democrats have engaged in here is revolting,” she wrote. CBS White House Correspondent Major Garrett then weighed in this week in his National Journal


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