In recent weeks, some liberal commentators have taken to calling Ted Cruz a demagogue. They concede the freshman Republican senator from Texas is smart as hell. He´s an impressive speaker. An imposing debater. For those reasons, many liberals see Cruz as dangerous, pointing especially to his campaign for a completely unworkable proposal to defund Obamacare.(Snip)Acknowledging that Republicans don´t have the votes to defund the president´s health care law, Cruz essentially seeks to create a wave of public outrage that would force Congress to go along with the small number of Republicans behind the defunding initiative.If that doesn´t work, Cruz proposes
I like Byron York. That said, why in hell does he not support at least going down fighting against this massive government take over of our lives?
Why aren´t ALL republicans against this big government grab for power?
This is going to separate the "sheep from the goats" in my view, and the goats in this case are the "republicans in name only" who just meekly go along with Obama thinking they are going to get re-elected by not upsetting the apple cart.
THIS issue is going to speak volumes when people go to vote, and it ought to fire up the much maligned tea party types to challenge the entrenched politicians who don´t seem to have the moral courage to fight this.
As usual the progressive wing of the "republican" party is mounting a coordinated attack, with the progressive "democrats" on the left to discredit a legitimate conservative who has a good chance of rallying americans who might just understand the importance of the constitution.
Why do folks call it ´defunding´ when it´s never been funded before?
Recall when Obamacare passed in conference, the CBO claimed it would generate a surplus from all the new revenue sources for the first ten years.
I always thought that if (A) the Supreme Court didn´t end Obamacare, and (B) we didn´t get rid of Obama in 2012, the fallback Plan C was to not appropriate additional monies to pay for the massive budget shortfalls Obamacare was sure to achieve. Turns out I was mistaken - we cannot even carry out ´´Plan C´´ as it seems to be politically too risky for some. The 2010 ´shellacking´ was seemingly just an optical illusion.
Byron must be getting a kickback from the RNC on this issue. He has been spouting the inside the beltway mantra for the past several weeks. We get your point Byron, you stand with the rest of the cowards in DC.
No sensible person is against taking down Obamacare, but this particular effort is doomed. There are other, better methods to achieve the same goal. I know Cruz says he´s against a shutdown, but he is a smart man and knows a shutdown will be the result. And, to no benefit for anyone except Obama and his supporters. Ask Newt Gingrich how well the shutdown on his watch worked for his side of the aisle. Yes, I know it was Clinton who shut things down and it will be Obama who does it this time, but the political fallout will be on us, delaying our goal of getting rid of every part of Obamacare that can be removed. Boehner has a better plan, simply using the funding in the ceiling debate. That´s not the end game, just the opening move.
On "Greta" last night Cruz said he wants to defund urkelcare, and it can be easily done without cutting off funding for ANY other government program -- was this comment accurate? Is it really this simple?
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Fiesta del sol, 8/23/2013 7:32:12 AM (No. 9487255)
Agree with #1&2.
Why are the pundits and GOP leadership assuming no democrats will vote to defund Obamacare? Make the Dems defend Obamacare to the American people. Right now, I don´t see elected Democrats on TV defending this. I see liberal media hacks defending it.
I have had it with elected Republicans giving up before the fight even started. If this country is going down, it´s already started. We might as well put up some kind of a fight to save it. Don´t we at least owe that much to our founding fathers?
Who threatened York with no more inside info for him to come out with his statements? Has McCain or Graham been on the phone to him, or either Boehner or Cantor? Obamacare is a total fiasco----the polls taken show that a majority do not want it, have not wanted it and want it totally destroyed.
Cruz was the first to turn the argument around and say that it will be obama shutting the government down if he refuses to sign a continuing resolution. Cruz is one of a few republicans that are willing to take president demagogue on.
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Lone Star Csar, 8/23/2013 10:40:30 AM (No. 9487599)
It seems the pundits have decided our problem is that we aren´t "smart" like the Dems.
How many times must it be said? Political calculation works for the progressives (their ideas have no merit) and is always a loss for conservatives. Conservatives succeed when we fight on principle. Our ideas are better and the fight makes people think about them.
Of course, Republicans shouldn´t want a candidate to argue bad ideas brilliantly. They should want a candidate to argue good ideas brilliantly. Cruz is off-base about defunding, but that doesn´t mean he could not be an astonishingly effective advocate for good Republican ideas in the future.
Well that´s mighty white of Byron, but I would ask him one question: What is wrong with the idea of defunding Obamacare, blaming a gov´t shutdown on Obama and thinking outside the stifling box of GOP traditionalism? After all, the latter is part of what keeps us slaves.
We do need new blood, stronger GOP pheromones and, for God´s sake, passionate conservative thought. Cruz may be different because he´s brilliant. The rest of the GOP, not so much.
When those who actually voted this Obamacare into law opt out of Obamacare you know for certain you are getting the shaft up your you know what.
I have told my senators and congressperson that if they don´t vote to unfund Obamacare I will be working hard to unseat them. I have heard back from only one senator who says he will vote to unfund Obamacare.
I don´t actually like the defunding idea, either, although I really like Cruz. Defunding government nonsense means it´s still hanging over your head, ready to fall when the bureaucrats decide it´s time. That´s not really all that helpful.
So what if the media blame Republicans for any government shutdown (even though the shutdown would be entirely zippy´s fault). If the media don´t beat them over the head with that they will beat them over the head with something else (war on women, racist, homophobic, etc. etc.) Even when Zippycare crashes and burns, they will say it was because of Republican sabotage.
Here you have an issue where the core of our liberty is at stake, the clock is ticking down, a majority of the voters agree with our position, and many more will once the awfull consequences of the law begin to impact them and you still don´t want to fight! Just because you are afraid of what the LSM is going say about you? How pathetic. What good will it be to win elections if you let this abomination grow like an unoperable tumor on the populace. We will all end up as slaves to the state and it won´t make any difference which side is running the state. Fight it now! Fight it anyway you can and everywhere you can. Fight it until your last breath. Never surrender! Our progeny deserve no less.
Ok, so Cruz´s idea prevails, we fund everything in the budget except Obamacare, the Dem Senate blocks it or Obama vetoes it. Then, the government shuts down for lack of funds. What has been accomplished? A grand gesture resulting in nothing at all, except some chest-beating. Far better to work with some of the other plans that give us a later victory without handing the Dems a campaign whip.
Byron, didn[t your mama teach you "can´t never could"? What´s with all these so called conservatives, inside the media and out, who keep telling us what won´t work, but absolutely fail to come up with alternatives?
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