Potential 2016 presidential contender Donald Trump spoke to ABC’s Jonathan Karl Sunday morning and reignited the birther issue that he helped spark back in 2011, questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate and wondering whether Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, was eligible to president. “Was there a birth certificate?” Trump asked. “You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows. And you don’t know, either, Jonathan. You’re a smart guy, you don’t know, either.” “I’m pretty convinced he was born in the United States,” Karl said.
Barky´s people never produced a single document expert who was willing to make the case for the ´Birth Cert.´ being valid. When skeptics produced and endless list of experts pointing and laughing at the amateurish and poorly forged document, the Left simply said "Shut up, go away, it´s settled science and you people are never satisfied."
The Media agreed that the matter was now settled even though the document was an obvious forgery.
I might be wrong, but I believe both of Cruz´s parents were American citizens at the time of his birth.
The Supreme Court should clear up what is meant by "natural born" citizen, but I suppose that any reasonable definition they could come up with would make Obama illegal...so they are waiting until he is out of office.
About the natural born deal, I was born overseas and my father (worked in U.S. embassies), mother were born in the U.S. He said if you´re born in the U.S., you are natural or native born, and you´re born overseas on U.S.-born Americans, you are naturalized, and can opt for citizenship in the country you were born in up to the age of 18, or by joining that country´s military. As for being born naturally, I suppose a test-tube baby is unnaturally born.
Neither Cruz or Rubio are NBC´s . Neither is Barry Soetoro . So none of these Politicians are qualified under the Constitution to hold the office. I like Cruz and think he can best serve the People in the Senate. But not in the White House. We can´t have it both ways. Soetoro is NOT a legal sitting POTUS. NOTHING he has signed in to Law is legal or binding. Lets just see how millions of stupid Americans like his OBAMACARE when its´ devastating consequences hits them in their Pocket Books.I bet the BIRTHER issue becomes the talk of the day then.
No, #6. SCOTUS is not authorized to "clear up" the Constitution. It assumed this power to itself in Marbury v Madison. They are only chartered to apply the law, not change it. Amendments, ratified by the states, are needed to properly "clear up" a few things like "natural born", anchor babies, equal protection, establishment of religion, right to bear arms, "general welfare", and the commerce clause. SCOTUS does not have the Constitutional authority, nor do they have a very good track record in clearing up such things. It´s a job for the states.
#1 That´s right. Lawlessness has become the new norm on every level. Whether it´s the bully in the classroom or with #44 POTUS or #42 POTUS. Same thing.
President Reagan ran much of his campaign on law and order back when we had organized crime and a serious drug problem. That was decades ago. Now you become a celebrity for committing a crime or singing about it. We´ve become complacent and apathetic and have allowed political correctness to supersede the rule of law. It will only get worse with all the uneducated, unemployed youth we are producing. Can you imagine the lawlessness that will ensue with Obamacare, especially managed by an incompetent government. The gravity of problems we face as a nation is enormous. And the other side thinks Hillary Rotten Clinton can run this country...maybe in the ground that´s for sure.
Barking up the wrong tree again, Trump, it is a doctored birth certificate but for the reason that Barack Obama no II (NOT Jr) is not the son of the Kenyan that they used to cover for his real father, Frank Marshall Davis, Jr Communist Community organizer in Hawaii who finally had to run as a democrat to achieve public office.
Also obaMao´s mentor, Mom sent the o-man to him via the grandfolk-white people maybe to keep him from becoming too religiously Muslim, like his step father.
ObaMao is somewhat culturally white and uses ALL aspects of his strange and mysteryous life to his advantage thanks to corrupt media.
When Obama was certified President, all prior laws were then considered null and void. Like it or not, he had a non-citizen father and was elected twice. So, this is the new normal and I say it works for BOTH parties. All democrats kept their mouths shut, now how about Republicans do likewise. We didn´t make the rule..but we can use it as well as democrats. Is Obama the only one who can say "the ends justify the means"? We have to fight fire with fire.
FRAUD is the biggest item on the BC controversy. It was FRAUDULENT for obama to present a document prepared in DC to prove he was legit.
Mike Zullo has just recently issued a 57 page affidavit to Judge Roy Moore (remember the 10 Commandments judge in GA.) outlining WHY the document produced and presented by obama is FRAUDULENT. This is the crux of the issue--Criminal - Felony. The action of Zullo and Arpaio´s Cold Case Posse has been quietly and methodically moving forward. There is still HOPE for CHANGE.
A legitimate citizen or not, Obama is a travesty as a President. He has broken so many laws that he could be impeached many times over. But a Democratic senate will never concur. My opinions. pS; Obama just personally ( verbally ) attacked the Russian President, thus creating Russia as an enemy, instead of working to meet with the man and discuss differences. Is THAT treasonous. ? How many foreign Countries that were U.S> allies are no longer our allies and taken that position since Obama became President because of his broken foreign policy. Is that treasonous? Just asking. In my opinion. we have a fool for a President who is creating enemies of the U>S> Worldwide.
1. The "issue" [though none exists] is not "birther," but "Constitutionalist." As George Washington said, the Constitution is binding on us all. 2. "Birth certificate" does not appear in the US Constitution. None is required to be legally eligible. 3. Supporting or opposing any candidate on the basis of birth certificates is of no use. Only the clear and long-known Constitutional requirements are relevant. 4. An American citizen is natural born if and only if both parents are American citizens from the time of the parents´ birth. Birth situs is immaterial for American citizenship [including being legal (if born elsewhere) or illegal (born here to illegal aliens)]. Matter closed. 5. #6: The Founders clearly established "natural born citizen via de Vattel, deliberations, and The Federalist´s recap. Unlike much current law, The Founders did not delegate the qualifications for President to any court. 6. #7: Cruz´s father not being an American citizen from birth means that he isn´t legally eligible. Obama is ineligible for the same reason. Closed. 7. #9, #10 -- good posts. #10: Much of the "clearing up" by courts as you know is spurious. The Founders were/are clear [if one is informed]. Later judges are typically just embedding their agendas into the law. 8. #17: there is an open question about whether Stinky´s mom could legally confer citizenship [at the time there was a combined age/US residency requirement]. However, it isn´t really worth investigating, as it is unquestioned that Obama´s father was a British subject. FMD may be dad, but for now that is a distraction.
Bob Bauer, Anita Dunn´s husband, has been the top lawyer in the b.c. fight. He is also the tip of the current IRS scandal iceberg regarding targeting Tea Party groups. A corrupt attorney to say the least. Remember, Anita Dunn bragged that they "controlled the narrarive (story)". What did she mean by that?
I just hope I live long enough to see the truth about the b.c revealed. Although I do not think it will be a surprise.
#4, don´t necessarily fall into the category you asked for a response from, but to answer your question about who isn´t considered a natural born citizen even though an American citizen, that´s easy: Anyone born when both their parents weren´t US citizens. Doesn´t matter if in CONUS or somewhere else. The second session of the first congress laid out the answer to the inverse of your question quite clearly in the minutes of the session. Which has been posted on this forum in the past.
For all the BO sympathizers - that must have been one packed delivery room when BO was hatched based on their "knowing" that he was born in Hawaii. The Birth Certificate produced by the Administration was a fake made with print technology that wasn´t even invented at the time and that´s a fact. His whole life is a fantasy and mistery.
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