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‘Was There A Birth Certificate?’:
Trump Battles ABC’s Jon Karl
Over Obama’s, Ted Cruz’s Citizenship

Mediaite, by Evan McMurry

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Posted By:JoniTx, 8/11/2013 9:55:53 AM

Potential 2016 presidential contender Donald Trump spoke to ABC’s Jonathan Karl Sunday morning and reignited the birther issue that he helped spark back in 2011, questioning the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s birth certificate and wondering whether Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, was eligible to president. “Was there a birth certificate?” Trump asked. “You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows. And you don’t know, either, Jonathan. You’re a smart guy, you don’t know, either.” “I’m pretty convinced he was born in the United States,” Karl said.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: ruready?, 8/11/2013 10:00:05 AM     (No. 9468539)

Remember when the birth certificate was the #1 thing to remove Obama from office? Now we are swimming in lawlessness.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: catfur27, 8/11/2013 10:05:55 AM     (No. 9468549)

...this is infuriating...zippy did NOT produce his birth certificate!...he produced a photocopy ...of a computer generated PDF!!

A doc that would not have been admitted in any court in the U.S. without much more scrutiny.

Any one who thinks THAT is proof, send me your address...give me 10 minutes and I´ll show you you equally valid "proof" that I own your house.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 8/11/2013 10:15:10 AM     (No. 9468565)

Barky´s people never produced a single document expert who was willing to make the case for the ´Birth Cert.´ being valid.
When skeptics produced and endless list of experts pointing and laughing at the amateurish and poorly forged document, the Left simply said "Shut up, go away, it´s settled science and you people are never satisfied."

The Media agreed that the matter was now settled even though the document was an obvious forgery.

Making Barky look bad is, in itself, a crime.

The penalties for this will get worse as we go.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: littleorby, 8/11/2013 10:18:48 AM     (No. 9468572)

I have posted here the following question several time (without receiving an answer), but, alas, I´ll try one more time:

Those of you whom opine that Ted Cruz, Obama, and Rubio, among others are natural born citizens; please describe for me, what American citizens borne, in or out, of the USA, are NOT natural born.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: eden202, 8/11/2013 10:18:57 AM     (No. 9468573)

As Judge Judy would say Jonathan,

I don´t care what you´re convinced of.

SHOW ME THE PROOF!

Phony reproductions are not proof.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Dixie, 8/11/2013 10:29:59 AM     (No. 9468584)

I might be wrong, but I believe both of Cruz´s parents were American citizens at the time of his birth.

The Supreme Court should clear up what is meant by "natural born" citizen, but I suppose that any reasonable definition they could come up with would make Obama illegal...so they are waiting until he is out of office.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/11/2013 10:32:25 AM     (No. 9468586)

Cruz´s father was Cuban, became a US citizen in 2005. Cruz´s mother was born in Delaware.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Theophilous Meatyard III, 8/11/2013 10:41:14 AM     (No. 9468600)

About the natural born deal, I was born overseas and my father (worked in U.S. embassies), mother were born in the U.S. He said if you´re born in the U.S., you are natural or native born, and you´re born overseas on U.S.-born Americans, you are naturalized, and can opt for citizenship in the country you were born in up to the age of 18, or by joining that country´s military. As for being born naturally, I suppose a test-tube baby is unnaturally born.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: ledbythnose, 8/11/2013 10:43:53 AM     (No. 9468604)

Neither Cruz or Rubio are NBC´s . Neither is Barry Soetoro . So none of these Politicians are qualified under the Constitution to hold the office. I like Cruz and think he can best serve the People in the Senate. But not in the White House. We can´t have it both ways. Soetoro is NOT a legal sitting POTUS. NOTHING he has signed in to Law is legal or binding. Lets just see how millions of stupid Americans like his OBAMACARE when its´ devastating consequences hits them in their Pocket Books.I bet the BIRTHER issue becomes the talk of the day then.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dman, 8/11/2013 10:44:47 AM     (No. 9468606)

No, #6. SCOTUS is not authorized to "clear up" the Constitution. It assumed this power to itself in Marbury v Madison. They are only chartered to apply the law, not change it. Amendments, ratified by the states, are needed to properly "clear up" a few things like "natural born", anchor babies, equal protection, establishment of religion, right to bear arms, "general welfare", and the commerce clause. SCOTUS does not have the Constitutional authority, nor do they have a very good track record in clearing up such things. It´s a job for the states.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: starboard, 8/11/2013 10:52:37 AM     (No. 9468621)

#1 That´s right. Lawlessness has become the new norm on every level. Whether it´s the bully in the classroom or with #44 POTUS or #42 POTUS. Same thing.

President Reagan ran much of his campaign on law and order back when we had organized crime and a serious drug problem. That was decades ago. Now you become a celebrity for committing a crime or singing about it. We´ve become complacent and apathetic and have allowed political correctness to supersede the rule of law. It will only get worse with all the uneducated, unemployed youth we are producing. Can you imagine the lawlessness that will ensue with Obamacare, especially managed by an incompetent government. The gravity of problems we face as a nation is enormous. And the other side thinks Hillary Rotten Clinton can run this country...maybe in the ground that´s for sure.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 8/11/2013 11:02:49 AM     (No. 9468633)

Read the rabid clueless lefty comments after the article. WOW!

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Reply 13 - Posted by: littleorby, 8/11/2013 11:16:23 AM     (No. 9468649)

#7: You´ve averred several times on this forum that Rubio, and Cruz meet the requirements to run for the presidency of the United States.

Educate me: Answer the question I posed in Reply #4.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: southernboy, 8/11/2013 11:44:29 AM     (No. 9468685)

By the way, Trump was hot and heavy on the BC for a few days, then he dropped it like a hot rock. I wonder why!
Was he in it just for the publicity….or did someone whisper in his ear!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: mamafrog, 8/11/2013 11:57:32 AM     (No. 9468709)

One thing is quite clear, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Rand Paul and Chris Christie ARE natural born citizens.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: santokitime, 8/11/2013 11:59:55 AM     (No. 9468713)

Reply 4

Not adopted jeesh that was the intent

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Reply 17 - Posted by: santokitime, 8/11/2013 12:01:47 PM     (No. 9468716)

Jughead was born supposedly to a freak under the age 18 not qualified. Cruz was born to someone over 18 duh

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Reply 18 - Posted by: StormCnter, 8/11/2013 12:21:31 PM     (No. 9468739)

#13, (1) you forgot the magic word, and (2) educating you is not my job.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: badrad, 8/11/2013 12:33:06 PM     (No. 9468752)

Barking up the wrong tree again, Trump, it is a doctored birth certificate but for the reason that Barack Obama no II (NOT Jr) is not the son of the Kenyan that they used to cover for his real father, Frank Marshall Davis, Jr Communist Community organizer in Hawaii who finally had to run as a democrat to achieve public office.

Also obaMao´s mentor, Mom sent the o-man to him via the grandfolk-white people maybe to keep him from becoming too religiously Muslim, like his step father.

ObaMao is somewhat culturally white and uses ALL aspects of his strange and mysteryous life to his advantage thanks to corrupt media.

4th estate = Fifth column.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Coy860, 8/11/2013 12:45:46 PM     (No. 9468764)

When Obama was certified President, all prior laws were then considered null and void.
Like it or not, he had a non-citizen father and was elected twice.
So, this is the new normal and I say it works for BOTH parties. All democrats kept their mouths shut, now how about Republicans do likewise. We didn´t make the rule..but we can use it as well as democrats. Is Obama the only one who can say "the ends justify the means"?
We have to fight fire with fire.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: enuf8, 8/11/2013 12:54:28 PM     (No. 9468776)

FRAUD is the biggest item on the BC controversy. It was FRAUDULENT for obama to present a document prepared in DC to prove he was legit.

Mike Zullo has just recently issued a 57 page affidavit to Judge Roy Moore (remember the 10 Commandments judge in GA.) outlining WHY the document produced and presented by obama is FRAUDULENT. This is the crux of the issue--Criminal - Felony. The action of Zullo and Arpaio´s Cold Case Posse has been quietly and methodically moving forward.
There is still HOPE for CHANGE.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 8/11/2013 1:17:19 PM     (No. 9468800)

A legitimate citizen or not, Obama is a travesty as a President. He has broken so many laws that he could be impeached many times over. But a Democratic senate will never concur. My opinions. pS; Obama just personally ( verbally ) attacked the Russian President, thus creating Russia as an enemy, instead of working to meet with the man and discuss differences. Is THAT treasonous. ?
How many foreign Countries that were U.S> allies are no longer our allies and taken that position since Obama became President
because of his broken foreign policy. Is that treasonous? Just asking. In my opinion. we have a fool for a President who is creating enemies of the U>S> Worldwide.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 8/11/2013 1:18:07 PM     (No. 9468803)

Zippity do dah!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: LAW428, 8/11/2013 1:31:29 PM     (No. 9468822)

Make no mistake; Obama is a Communist. He was raised by it, educated under it, and is now destroying America by it. Is this the future of America? Think about it...think hard.

61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese
20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State

...how soon will your family be nothing more than a statistic?



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Reply 25 - Posted by: veritas, 8/11/2013 3:17:49 PM     (No. 9468934)

1. The "issue" [though none exists] is not "birther," but "Constitutionalist." As George Washington said, the Constitution is binding on us all.
2. "Birth certificate" does not appear in the US Constitution. None is required to be legally eligible.
3. Supporting or opposing any candidate on the basis of birth certificates is of no use. Only the clear and long-known Constitutional requirements are relevant.
4. An American citizen is natural born if and only if both parents are American citizens from the time of the parents´ birth. Birth situs is immaterial for American citizenship [including being legal (if born elsewhere) or illegal (born here to illegal aliens)]. Matter closed.
5. #6: The Founders clearly established "natural born citizen via de Vattel, deliberations, and The Federalist´s recap. Unlike much current law, The Founders did not delegate the qualifications for President to any court.
6. #7: Cruz´s father not being an American citizen from birth means that he isn´t legally eligible. Obama is ineligible for the same reason. Closed.
7. #9, #10 -- good posts. #10: Much of the "clearing up" by courts as you know is spurious. The Founders were/are clear [if one is informed]. Later judges are typically just embedding their agendas into the law.
8. #17: there is an open question about whether Stinky´s mom could legally confer citizenship [at the time there was a combined age/US residency requirement]. However, it isn´t really worth investigating, as it is unquestioned that Obama´s father was a British subject. FMD may be dad, but for now that is a distraction.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: littleorby, 8/11/2013 3:57:41 PM     (No. 9468970)

#18: Being condescending when you haven´t the ability support your point-of-views shows lack of character.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: nonsense, 8/11/2013 4:51:18 PM     (No. 9469024)

Bob Bauer, Anita Dunn´s husband, has been the top lawyer in the b.c. fight. He is also the tip of the current IRS scandal iceberg regarding targeting Tea Party groups. A corrupt attorney to say the least. Remember, Anita Dunn bragged that they "controlled the narrarive (story)". What did she mean by that?

I just hope I live long enough to see the truth about the b.c revealed. Although I do not think it will be a surprise.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: curious1, 8/11/2013 4:58:00 PM     (No. 9469031)

#4, don´t necessarily fall into the category you asked for a response from, but to answer your question about who isn´t considered a natural born citizen even though an American citizen, that´s easy: Anyone born when both their parents weren´t US citizens. Doesn´t matter if in CONUS or somewhere else. The second session of the first congress laid out the answer to the inverse of your question quite clearly in the minutes of the session. Which has been posted on this forum in the past.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Verdantheart, 8/11/2013 7:47:58 PM     (No. 9469142)

No 25, I have read the Constitution and I don´t believe there is any edict regarding who will enforce the parameters you mention. Perhaps President Cruz will tackle this gray area.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Arizona Chief, 8/11/2013 7:53:49 PM     (No. 9469145)

For all the BO sympathizers - that must have been one packed delivery room when BO was hatched based on their "knowing" that he was born in Hawaii. The Birth Certificate produced by the
Administration was a fake made with print technology that wasn´t even invented at the time and that´s a fact. His whole life is a fantasy and mistery.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Arizona Chief, 8/11/2013 8:00:04 PM     (No. 9469147)

oops - "mystery"

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Reply 32 - Posted by: StuartL, 8/12/2013 1:10:11 AM     (No. 9469344)

"misery" would work too, Chief. ((sigh))

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?

Illinois Dems to offer $100 million in
taxpayer money to lure Obama library site

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/18/2014 9:15:50 AM     Post Reply
First, the good news: We are close enough to the end of the Obama presidency for his crowd to talk about a presidential library. Now, the bad news: Obama´s retirement is still 1,008 days distant. Plenty of time though to round up the dough to build it somewhere. Figure they need Solyndra-style money, at least $500 million. The last two presidents – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush -- built their legacy edifices totally with private money. [Snip] However, Obama supporters have a different take. They think taxpayers should put up $100 million in public money for Obama´s library.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his

Even Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sure What
We Should Like About Hillary Clinton

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PJ Media, by Stephen Kruiser    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:33:53 AM     Post Reply
The first step is admitting… It was a simple question to someone accustomed to much tougher ones: What was her proudest achievement as secretary of state? But for a moment, Hillary Rodham Clinton, appearing recently before a friendly audience at a women’s forum in Manhattan, seemed flustered.(Snip)So…no definitive successes and some clear-cut failures. And that’s the generous New York Times assessment. The Democrat fantasy story about Mrs. Clinton paints her as strong and accomplished on her own. In reality, this is a woman who is professionally defined almost entirely by two men in her life, both of whom happen to have

Those ‘rogue’ agents
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New York Post, by Editorial    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/18/2014 4:37:07 AM     Post Reply
Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations


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