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Oprah on racism over ´too
expensive´ handbag; gets Swiss apology

Chicago Tribune, by Nardine Saad

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Posted By:JoniTx, 8/10/2013 12:16:22 PM

Nobody tells Oprah she can´t afford a handbag. Oprah Winfrey is one of the richest entertainers in the world, thanks to her willdly successful 25-season run on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and her latest media foray with the newly revitalized Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN). The entertainer earned an estimated $77 million from June 2012 to June 2013 alone, according to Forbes, but she says she still experiences racism because she is African American. Take this latest incident in Switzerland, where "The Butler" star went to attend the nuptials of good friend and singer Tina Turner last month.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 8/10/2013 12:22:16 PM     (No. 9467423)

Okra playing the race card ~ still. Free publicity too. I´m sick of seeing the sow on TV news.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: droopydog, 8/10/2013 12:23:23 PM     (No. 9467426)

I thought we were rid of her but that giant ham just couldn´t stay away.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Urgent Fury, 8/10/2013 12:29:48 PM     (No. 9467437)

Shut up and go away. Will there ever be a tipping point?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: richwill, 8/10/2013 12:31:42 PM     (No. 9467443)

Fact of life: liberals never go away. If anyone thinks we will be rid of Hussein at the end of his term, better rethink. Carter and Clinton never go away. Ego maniacs never let go of the microphone or mover from in front of the camera.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: lylacat, 8/10/2013 12:35:02 PM     (No. 9467451)

0prah just can´t quit with the race card. Most of us quit watching her show when she endorced 0bama; I cancelled my subscription to "O." And I will never give one dime to go see a movie she is using to promote her racist views. Until blacks clean up their image, they will always be treated differently. Sharpton and 0prah want us to view blacks like everyone else, but many of us have been robbed and assaulted by blacks, and common sense says we have to treat them differently, or we will be robbed again and assaulted again.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Iconoclast, 8/10/2013 12:38:39 PM     (No. 9467455)

The crazy thing about this story is the bag was THIRTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS!!

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Reply 7 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/10/2013 12:39:43 PM     (No. 9467459)

The boutique owner gently remarked that the sales assistant´s first language is Italian and there may have been a misunderstanding.

It is easy to "misunderstand" when one is in a foreign country, does not speak Italian, was probably dressed pretty casually, and carries a racial chip on her shoulder during all her waking moments. And has a new racialist movie she is trying to promote.

I am sick, sick, sick of her.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 8/10/2013 12:41:20 PM     (No. 9467462)

Did she walk into this shop looking like a disheveled slob, or was she dressed in a manner that let the shop employees know that she could afford to look at and buy their merchandise? I don´t see that as racism, ok?

And she needs to get it through her head that not everyone knows who she is. Most of us have a life that doesn´t involve Oprah worship.

I can´t fault the shop for wanting to protect expensive merchandise from someone who gave the impression that she was there to possibly rob them.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: cartcart, 8/10/2013 12:43:13 PM     (No. 9467470)

I watch my stuff carefully when a nagger comes in. Boy, can she nag!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Jebediah, 8/10/2013 12:43:14 PM     (No. 9467471)

I don´t believe Oprah anymore----there are plenty of eccentrically dressed (and she wasn´t) millionairesses who shop abroad and the clerks are well aware of them...last time she pulled this, in Paris, it turned out the shop was literally in the process of closing for the day and she wanted it to stay open for HER! Maybe this dusbelief of mine is due to Paris, or maybe to her stance on Trayvon Martin or her pushing of Obama, all the while having an audience filled with white, middle class swooning women.......maybe she and Obama are pretty much alike. But I don´t much like Oprah anymore.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 8/10/2013 12:45:08 PM     (No. 9467479)

First world problems.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: kono, 8/10/2013 12:46:00 PM     (No. 9467481)

If Oprah really wanted to make a vivid point to a snooty salescritter about who can afford what or who´s more powerful, she could have gotten on her cell phone right there and instructed her accountant to buy the store and then flip it to K-Mart for $10.

But she gets far more commercial mileage from putting this into her interviews than to make a fuss on the spot.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Rather Read, 8/10/2013 12:47:21 PM     (No. 9467485)

38,000 dollars for a purse?! That´s more than I make in a year.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: lazyman, 8/10/2013 12:47:25 PM     (No. 9467487)

She probably walked in with a bag of Big Macs and greasy hands.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 8/10/2013 12:48:13 PM     (No. 9467488)

Entertainer?!


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Reply 16 - Posted by: question_complexity, 8/10/2013 12:56:22 PM     (No. 9467498)

My wife and I (both white) went into the Valentino store on Rodeo Drive when she was looking for a gown for our son´s wedding.

She wanted to try on a $25K gown and they refused to let her. They looked us up and down and figured we were not "suitable" customers for that item.

It was classism, not racism, but it was nevertheless an unpleasant experience.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: Freeloader, 8/10/2013 1:02:24 PM     (No. 9467508)

Why should the Swiss apologize?...This was, more than likely, nothing more than a classic case of mistaken identity.

The innocent, Italian speaking handbag sales lady at Madame Goetz´s Shop, probably mistook Oprah Gail for a Zurich hotel chambermaid.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 8/10/2013 1:09:44 PM     (No. 9467514)

I managed a department at I. Magnin some years back. If #16 had any idea what can happen to a gown during a "trying on" they might understand why some pre-screening goes on. They can tell who the looky-loos, "wouldn´t it be fun to try that on!" types are.

Not saying that you were one of those, but the store employees are pretty good at evaluating their customers.

Would you have bought it if your wife had liked it?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Achilles, 8/10/2013 1:22:15 PM     (No. 9467533)

Apologies are free, that is why she got a Swiss apology. What the Swiss will never do is allow the third world to over run their country.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: miceal, 8/10/2013 1:33:22 PM     (No. 9467547)

Drum roll and tip of the hat to #9, sweet....

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Reply 21 - Posted by: InOhio, 8/10/2013 1:47:07 PM     (No. 9467557)

One reason I don´t believe her story for a minute is that she isn´t likely to be going ANYWHERE without her entourage and at least a security guard -

I´m sure the salesperson would do her best to show her anything she expressed an interest in.

What a liar. Apparently no amount of money can get that chip on her shoulder removed.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: killerbee, 8/10/2013 1:51:57 PM     (No. 9467561)

#6: Exactly! That could keep a family fed for a year and she´s spending it on a handbag while insulting Americans and the American dream. What a hypocrite.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: PChristopher, 8/10/2013 2:07:49 PM     (No. 9467580)

F´Oprah

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Italiano, 8/10/2013 2:09:07 PM     (No. 9467582)

Forget the wealth, fame and power. This is one sad, pathetic individual.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/10/2013 2:10:49 PM     (No. 9467583)

You can probably get a near-identical bag at a flea market for $12. Okra should try shopping amongst the proletariat she loves so much.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 8/10/2013 2:18:47 PM     (No. 9467595)

Put some Mac and Cheese in it and shut up. We are sick of you and your big racist ugly pie hole!

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Reply 27 - Posted by: turninggrey, 8/10/2013 2:19:31 PM     (No. 9467597)

So the Chicago Trib does a piece seemingly convinced racism actually occurred. They back it up by claiming the "Swiss" apologized. This apparently backs up the claim that racism occurred. What is the "Swiss Tourism Office"? It is the office tasked with making sure tourism keeps coming and producing money. What skin is it off their back to apologize?
I think that blacks are such a tight community that they have synergised anything that could be considered remotely racist into actual racism. If they think its racism, its racism--with no other qualifier needed. Dem leaders such as Harry Reed will go to the mat with it, the press will validate it, and leave the majority of Americans enraged that this situation seems to be something we have to live with. I guess the only thing we can do is come to forums like this and set the record straight--just for our own sanity.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: stablemoney, 8/10/2013 2:28:42 PM     (No. 9467604)

The clerk merely said the bag was too expensive. Oprah, a certified JA, thought the clerk thought she looked liked she couldn´t afford it.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Daylily, 8/10/2013 2:48:18 PM     (No. 9467625)

It is just sickening the way charges of racism are thrown around these days; it´s become almost meaningless. Perhaps when Oprah walked into the store she was sporting a ´big attitude´, the kind so many so-called celebs use.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: farmwife, 8/10/2013 3:10:03 PM     (No. 9467648)

There is just something unseemly about a billionaire playing the victim. Poor thing.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: rinohunter, 8/10/2013 3:12:49 PM     (No. 9467652)

Orca Winfrey, in a typical racist style, twists the truth into a pretzel to suit her racialist world view.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: FenwayFrank, 8/10/2013 3:56:49 PM     (No. 9467689)

What the Swiss really said:

Our apologies! We didn´t think the famous Oprah Winfrey was so fat! Of course you can purchase this $38,000 feed bag.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: mackrand, 8/10/2013 4:15:17 PM     (No. 9467701)

I have a really nice wallet. One I paid more for than I ever have before. Really nice, excellent quality buffalo leather. Even has "Buffalo" embossed on the front. I am also going to buy another expensive wallet as soon as I can find one for sale. Both are under a hundred bucks.

But I´m not going to talk about expensive things, I´m going to talk about heading out to the market and have absolutely nobody recognize me. I can walk around a mall all day long and more likely than not, not meet anybody I know or who knows me, and I have lived here all my life.

This person under discussion goes out to be recognized. If she has to respond to the person in the street, she has lost the game. She thrives on being among the hoi polloi and being recognized everywhere she goes and ignoring everyone around her. I can´t imagine a person who lives in such a bubble. She will get a lot of mileage out of this salesperson who didn´t recognize her and bow and scrape and say over and over, "Yes, mi-lady! Immediately, mi-lady."

It must have been a blow to be in Switzerland, seemingly the most cosmopolitan place in the world, and not be instantly recognized.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: WhamDBambam, 8/10/2013 4:23:32 PM     (No. 9467709)

Poor widdle downtrodden thang...

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Reply 35 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 8/10/2013 4:42:33 PM     (No. 9467729)

I am from Zurich, I know the stores and the type of people who shop there. We Swiss are not against blacks. We´re against rude tourists and divas who think the world revolves around them.

The clerk works on a commission. Why would she insist on showing someone something less expensive? To lose a bigger commission just to prove to herself that she´s racist? Doesn´t make sense. When a young man wearing worn-out clothes goes to buy an engagement ring, a smart sales clerk will size up the young man and show him (at first) less expensive rings -- hoping to make a sale and *not* embarrass him by pricing him out of the store.

Now imagine your Oprah without the hair stylist/wig stylist, make-up artist, or costume consultant. You arrive in a stylish city where nobody knows who you are (or cares for that matter), go the most stylish area of the city to shop, ignore the fact that everyone else shopping in this area is impeccably dressed (as is Tina Turner, who also shops as these store), don´t speak a word of German or French (the two most important national languages of Switzerland), and barge into a high-end store looking like Aunt Esther from "Sanford & Son", and somehow the clerk is have pitch-perfect English so as not to confuse your supposedly nuanced, sophisticated mined, and is also to supposed to divine that you have a net worth beyond that of most mortals?

Go home to Chicago, Oprah. And stay there. For all your wealth and power, you are still a shallow, sad, frustrated, lonely, race-baiting hag.


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Reply 36 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 8/10/2013 4:43:12 PM     (No. 9467733)

Continued:

Oprah is a narcissist. And a liar. She tried this stunt in Paris in 2005, when she tried to shop at the flagship store of Hermes in the trendy 8th arrondissement. According to Oprah, and dutifully reported by the media without question, she was denied access because she is black; the French are racists. But then the real facts came out, and she had to backtrack. She arrived at the store at 6:45 pm, and the store closed at 6:30 pm. The store was preparing for an after-hours private event and told her so, gave her the store´s business card, and said they would be delighted to assist her the next day. But no, Oprah decided to play the "racist" card.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: msjena, 8/10/2013 4:50:30 PM     (No. 9467746)

Could the Swiss tell that she was American (ie, African-American)?

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Reply 38 - Posted by: susieq1, 8/10/2013 4:56:02 PM     (No. 9467755)

Hogwash.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 8/10/2013 5:12:13 PM     (No. 9467770)

Thank you for the background info #35. European shop keepers run their stores in a much different manner than US stores. I wonder if ´O´ spoke English in a louder and louder voice, hoping the Italian-speaking sales lady would finally understand her request.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Udanja99, 8/10/2013 5:26:54 PM     (No. 9467782)

You can take the girl out of the ghetto and give her a billion plus bucks, but....

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Illinois Mom, 8/10/2013 5:56:02 PM     (No. 9467803)

I too heard she was not "made up" when she was in the store.

No one would recognize her without makeup...(I´ll bet the same it true for Michelle)

Given the language barrier and different interpretations of what the clerk actually may have meant, I see no reason why she HAD to comment on this at all.

EXCEPT...she has a new movie coming out. I probably would have liked to have gone to see it but, after the Emmett Till remark...NO WAY.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: SaguaroJack, 8/10/2013 6:04:45 PM     (No. 9467807)

Somebody needs to define "racism." I don´t see how Oprah´s Swiss experience is racist. It was like the Pretty Woman scene where the chick selling on commission underrated the very wealthy customer who didn´t strike her as a very wealthy customer.

What´s racist about it? Not everybody knows who Oprah Winfrey is. Does that ipso facto make them racist?

What complete nonsense.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 8/10/2013 6:24:48 PM     (No. 9467824)

Poor, poor Offal. She´s a victim.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: zeldafitzg, 8/10/2013 11:47:17 PM     (No. 9468104)

Publicity stunt to dovetail with the theme of her upcoming movie.


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Reply 45 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 8/11/2013 3:09:30 AM     (No. 9468187)

#37, from her accent, the fact that she immediately started speaking English, and the way she looked, anyone could tell she´s American.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: ZurichMike, 8/11/2013 3:15:55 AM     (No. 9468190)

#16, think of the busloads of tourists that end up in chic shopping districts. Do you think it would help their business to let everyone who walked in the door try on merchandise costing excessive amounts of money? Imagine what a $25,000 gown would look like after 100 women tried it on "just for fun". Were you really going to buy that gown, or just letting fly the princess fantasy for a moment?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Old Army Vet, 8/11/2013 7:20:49 AM     (No. 9468305)

The only thing racist in this story is Oprah.

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President Obama said Thursday more than 8 million Americans selected a private health plan through his signature health overhaul, topping the most recent tally by a half-million people and offering the president an opportunity to blast Republicans for criticizing his efforts. “This thing is working,” he said, cautioning his law will not solve everything that ails the country’s health care system. He then openly criticized GOP lawmakers for trying to repeal his law. “They still can’t bring themselves to admit that the Affordable Care Act is working,” he said. Republicans say Mr. Obama’s enthusiasm is fleeting, because a portion of Americans



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Has Rush Limbaugh Finally
Reached the End Of The Road?

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Forbes Magazine, by Rick Ungar    Original Article
Posted By: EveningStar- 4/16/2014 7:24:05 PM     Post Reply
Like him or hate him, there is no disputing that Rush Limbaugh’s very special brand of mixing right-wing politics with his flare for entertainment has produced one of the most successful radio programs in the medium’s long history. Whatever the burning political question of the day, millions of Americans have relished the opportunity to tune into Rush’s program, knowing that he would quickly take that hot potato, throw a few gallons of verbal kerosene into the mix and elevate the matter into a five alarm fire with a just a few well-chosen words spoken in the style only Rush Limbaugh could

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
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When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Why is US Senator Harry
Reid so concerned with
a local Nevada rancher?

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Fox News, by Wayne Allyn Root    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:37:12 PM     Post Reply
I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
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Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively

Former US president joins
opposition to Keystone XL

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Houston Chronicle, by Jennifer A. Dlouhy    Original Article
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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
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About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Rev. Al Sharpton’s Easter message:
Politically ‘crucified’ Obama has risen again

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Washington Times, by Jessica Chasmar    Original Article
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With Easter soon approaching, the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday drew parallels between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrection of President Obama’s political career. Joining the “Tom Joyner Morning Show,” Mr. Sharpton said that his message for this Easter is that “no matter what the world may do to you unfairly, no matter how you’re crucified — nailed to the cross at home, or in your personal relationships, or on the job — that you can rise if you don’t lose yourself during the hard times and the challenges.” The reverend went on to say that Christ endured so much humiliation and unearned suffering leading up to his death,

Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery
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Star-Telegram [Fort Worth TX], by Anna M. Tinsley    Original Article
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FORT WORTH — Democratic gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis will undergo neck surgery today, her campaign said Tuesday. “After experiencing shoulder and right arm pain in recent weeks, Sen. Davis will have a routine surgical procedure to remove bone spurs and degenerative discs that are creating compression on the nerves in her neck,” campaign spokesman Zac Petkanas said in a statement Tuesday. “This is a common issue experienced by runners and endurance athletes,” he said. Davis, of Fort Worth, will undergo the outpatient surgery at the Fort Worth Brain and Spine Institute. Dr. Thomas Ellis will perform the

Obama administration gives Detroit
$100 million for ´blight removal´

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American Thinker, by Rick Moran    Original Article
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The cash infusion by the federal government is actually going to help the city pay pensions, even though they´re playing a kind of shell game with the money. As for "blight removal," perhaps they could start with city hall. Reuters: Michigan officials and President Barack Obama´s Administration are discussing a plan to free up $100 million in federal money to aid Detroit´s retired city workers, the Detroit Free Press reported on Tuesday. Citing two people familiar with the talks, the newspaper said the talks were centered around federal money flowing to Michigan for blight removal. Under the plan, $100 million

Michael Bloomberg: ´I Have Earned
My Place in Heaven´

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The Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper    Original Article
Posted By: Bill the Cat- 4/16/2014 9:15:28 AM     Post Reply
Former New York City mayor is pledging to spend $50 million this year to push gun control, the New York Times reports. For this and other deeds (such as taking on obesity and smoking), Bloomberg believes he´s going to heaven. “I am telling you if there is a God, when I get to heaven I’m not stopping to be interviewed. I am heading straight in. I have earned my place in heaven. It’s not even close,” Bloomberg told the Times.

Climate change causing fish to
lose their minds, researchers say

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
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Climate change’s latest casualty appears to be fish — or more specifically, fish brains — as researchers say the carbon dioxide that’s being absorbed into the ocean is causing the scaly creatures to lose their survival instincts. In other words, the fish are losing their minds, The Daily Mail reported. The acid from atmospheric carbon dioxide seeps into sea waters, dissolves and ultimately lowers the pH balance, researchers said. The acidic waters then hamper the fishes’ sensory systems, so they’re not able to distinguish between smells any longer, the scientists went on. When the acid levels get really high, the fish lose their


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