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Why can´t we talk about IQ?
Politico, by Jason Richwine

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Posted By:Judy W., 8/9/2013 7:10:57 AM

“IQ is a metric of such dubiousness that almost no serious educational researcher uses it anymore,” the Guardian’s Ana Marie Cox wrote back in May. It was a breathtakingly ignorant statement. Psychologist Jelte Wicherts noted in response that a search for “IQ test” in Google’s academic database yielded more than 10,000 hits — just for the year 2013. (Snip) There is a large discrepancy between what educated laypeople believe about cognitive science and what experts actually know. Journalists are steeped in the lay wisdom, so they are repeatedly surprised when someone forthrightly discusses the real science of mental ability.

Jason Richwine lost his job when the media pack descended on him for his dissertation that discussed IQ.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: WhamDBambam, 8/9/2013 7:26:11 AM     (No. 9465562)

Because it´s not nice to point out that the IQ Emperors in the White House have no clothes.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: HerbVA, 8/9/2013 7:33:34 AM     (No. 9465571)

Math, reasoning, spatial cognition have no relationship to culture or language. Yet the (often extreme) racial disparities exist in those IQ components.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: LoneVoice, 8/9/2013 7:50:22 AM     (No. 9465581)

We practically worship intelligence.

There are plenty of really high IQ people who do nothing or worse something evil with their intelligence.

I´d rather judge people by their character.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Scottyboy, 8/9/2013 8:04:38 AM     (No. 9465595)

The reason we are not "allowed" to talk about IQ disparity among the races is the same reason we are not "allowed" to discuss perverted sexual proclivities and mental disorders among homosexuals.

The PC thought police are always listening.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: southron, 8/9/2013 8:39:08 AM     (No. 9465645)

Can´t talk about IQ? We can´t even give basic literacy tests to potential voters!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: bpl40, 8/9/2013 8:44:15 AM     (No. 9465654)

What puts paid on all these protests is the fact that Korean school children in Seoul who have never left Korea outscore US students in IQ tests given in English. As far as the blind people argument goes - what percentage of the population of scholastic age is legally blind? Its not perfect but is still an excellent common base measure. Nothing comes close in predicting future scholastic success. Yes, it demolishes left wing shibboleths and is unpopular with the PC cult.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 8/9/2013 8:47:58 AM     (No. 9465661)

We can´t talk about IQ because of race and to a lesser extent, gender. Sorry, but it´s a fact that their are racial differences in IQ. It is also a fact that women have a different bell curve with a tighter cluster around the mean while men show more idiots and more geniuses.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 8/9/2013 9:04:58 AM     (No. 9465682)

Assuming all the factors in #2´s post are true, a low IQ score would still predict lower academic performance. There are two separate questions: "Do IQ tests really measure innate intelligence?" And "Do IQ tests measure something useful about an individual´s potential?"

Thomas Sowell made the point that, even if IQ tests are culturally biased, they correlate with other measures of success in that culture, so doing poorly on IQ tests is still measuring a relevant deficiency.

Having said all that, #4 is right. IQ does not predict character. I call it the Bloomsbury Hypothesis: "Smart people do the dumbest things."

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chumley, 8/9/2013 9:42:49 AM     (No. 9465748)

Intelligence is nice, but intelligence alone is very dangerous. Just because something CAN be done does not mean that it SHOULD. This is where the scientific community is sadly lacking.
Wisdom is far more important.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 8/9/2013 9:45:34 AM     (No. 9465753)

The myth of equality is very important to the "Left". The facts be damned.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 8/9/2013 9:57:06 AM     (No. 9465776)

When I think of IQ three people come to mind. I marvel at Joe Biden, Barack Hussein and Slingblade.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: shalimar, 8/9/2013 9:58:33 AM     (No. 9465781)

I´ve done work in the field and give this article an A+.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 8/9/2013 10:04:53 AM     (No. 9465794)

Any person with any experience at all knows that some people are born with lower intelligence. I have known people who were simply unable to grasp certain concepts. The gist of Murray´s Bell Curve was that in our modern, technological economy we must find ways for these people to have gainful employment.

In years past, the slower parts of humanity could become craftsmen, farm hands, blacksmith assistants, etc. Now most jobs require more expertise than they used to.

Having said that, high IQ is not necessarily a guarantee of success in the real world. We all know supposedly brilliant people who lack common sense and end up making the most stupid choices possible.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Hoosier, 8/9/2013 10:12:04 AM     (No. 9465804)

Read "The Bell Curve" by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray (1994).

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Axeman, 8/9/2013 10:15:56 AM     (No. 9465813)

Intelligence is not the same thing as wisdom.
If a person has a strong ability to learn new things, that person can become wise much easier than a slower learning person. This does not mean they will.
At a certain point this ability to learn new ideas jumps to a new level, forming ideas that have not been learned by making new connections spontaneously. We call this genius. A genius is not necessarily wise.

Some cultures respect intelligence and some deride it. Do this long enough and it affects the gene pool.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mc squared, 8/9/2013 10:20:39 AM     (No. 9465820)

#2; The argument in your last paragraph falls apart because the author states that Asians do better than Europeans, Hispanics, etc.
Do you think all IQ tests age given in English?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: craige, 8/9/2013 10:34:13 AM     (No. 9465839)

In regard to of science, many Americans have reverted to a ´Lord of the Flies´ mentality. Deductive and Inductive reasoning have given way to hysteria.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: varkdriver, 8/9/2013 10:48:18 AM     (No. 9465863)

Isn´t the author the same Ana Marie Cox who used to write for some website called "Wonkette", which featured unbeliveably crude and disgusting references to conservative men and women in all walks of life? If so, she is an ignorant foul woman.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: monique, 8/9/2013 10:57:41 AM     (No. 9465878)

it is simply not done to talk about intelligence and race, or intelligence and sex. it is sexist or racist to imply that one individual has more ability or has more intelligence then another one whether or not this is true. it is part of the 60´s kumbaya trash we are all alike underneath our skin. Most people are pretty well convinced that they will not be a world class athlete or a famous singer, but can´t admit that they just don´t have the brains to tie their own shoes.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: curious1, 8/9/2013 10:59:01 AM     (No. 9465880)

Jason Richwine wrote a good summary of the situation. Libtards don´t come off looking good at all.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: paulfromTexas, 8/9/2013 11:01:58 AM     (No. 9465886)

Lots of PhDs cannot get out of their car without knocking their heads.....IQ tests measure mainly vocabulary and how language is used

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Reply 22 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 8/9/2013 11:03:19 AM     (No. 9465888)

Simple, because it works. Can´t have the truth be known.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Brittany, 8/9/2013 11:21:27 AM     (No. 9465917)

One problem about IQ tests is that they don´t allow for individual differences, like all group tests. I once in my youth had a high IQ because I had a great almost photographic memory and could correlate facts well. But I was absolutely lacking in math capability despite many tries to learn. I´d never have matched an Asian in this...my brain was wired differently. My daughter has an enormous ability in languages(and science), not me. A scientist named Maslow devised a cubic representation of various types of intelligence and I thought it was a great contribution to the science.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Blunderbuss, 8/9/2013 11:33:50 AM     (No. 9465943)

I want to be like #7 when I grow up. Excellent posting by the way. As for the rest I see a mixture of good intentions rare insites and occasional ignorance accidental and in some cases willfull. IQ has always been and will continue to be a hot button emotional subject. We all fear taking IQ tests for fear of being called stupid and being accused of taking the short bus to school as children. Take a page from the army, just be all you can be no matter what hand of cards has been handed too you.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Judge, 8/9/2013 12:05:31 PM     (No. 9465995)

Why?...because its viewed as racism

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Reply 26 - Posted by: jglas, 8/9/2013 12:09:53 PM     (No. 9466003)

People are born with different abilities to sing, speak, run, jump, stay thin, react to stimuli etc. Why wouldn´t they be born with different abilities to comprehend ideas, that is to think? Since groups of people often characterized by race or ethnic traits tend to intermarry why shouldn´t those abilities be passed on to their offspring. Nothing else makes sense but so far as individuals are concerned, nothing could be less important. Racial IQs are an average/mean centering a bell shaped curve with specific individuals falling closer or further from that average on either side of it. The overlap of those curves for various races is extensive. That is most people fall into a range that subsumes the majority of people from all races. Besides which there is an environmental component of intelligence. If you work at it you can make yourself smarter. If you want to get smarter you probably can get smarter. Of course that ´work at it´ trait might also be inherited.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: faith_and_reason, 8/9/2013 12:30:06 PM     (No. 9466030)

My view is simple. IQ tests measure something. And they measure consistently. Jewish and Chinese people score higher on that something than Europeans on average. Europeans score higher that those from sub-Sahara Africa.

Correlations exist between the something they measure and various kinds of success in life. That is not a value judgment, just a simple fact.

And intelligence is a tool, just as a hammer or a gun is a tool. The wise will use their tools well, but fools will use their tools for destruction, and to make foolishness appear to be wisdom. Just look at the typical university professor in the social sciences.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Hazymac, 8/9/2013 12:35:48 PM     (No. 9466042)

Excellent, sensible article, bringing to mind J.D. Salinger´s (IQ, reportedly 104) line from The Catcher in the Rye, in which Holden Caulfield, commenting about his roommate Ward Stradlater, mused, "Morons hate it when you call them a moron." Stradlater bloodied Holden´s nose. Fists can be made to trump words.

FTA: But it’s difficult to have a mature policy conversation when other journalists are doing little more than name-calling. It’s like convening a scientific conference on the causes of autism, only to have the participants drowned out by anti-vaccine protesters.

Take that, Jim Carrey. I don´t think that IQ is necessarily a reliable predictor of success. For instance, H. Ross Perot never struck me as possesing a particularly incansecscent itellect, but he became a billionaire with sheer audacity, willpower, indefatigable salesmanship ability, and the good sense to hire extremely competent people. And we all know people--perhaps standing in our own shoes--who never found the motivation or the self-directedness to make good use of the intelligence with which we were born. Standing before mirror can be uncomfortable, not for what we see, but for what we know.

However, there is a remedy for ignorance. Stupid is forever, and stupid people, especially those for whom indiscriminate accusations of racism are both a panacea and a narcotic against painful self-knowledge, will always be with us.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Hazymac, 8/9/2013 12:38:28 PM     (No. 9466051)

...a particularly incandecscent intellect...

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Reply 30 - Posted by: xique, 8/9/2013 12:41:57 PM     (No. 9466057)

To proove the notion that the tests are biased, design an IQ test that puts the nominally smart Asians and Jews at the bottom. Betcha can´t do it.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Hazymac, 8/9/2013 12:44:55 PM     (No. 9466062)

Aw, shoot! "incandescent"

If you knew what had happened to me lately, you´d understand why my vision is swimmy.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 8/11/2013 11:04:25 AM     (No. 9468635)

#29/#30/#32, it was still a great post and an artful turn of phrase. I hope you are well and, if not well, improving rapidly.

P.S. For the record, I read the word all three times and thought it was spelled correctly each time.

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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter joined fellow Nobel laureates Wednesday in opposing Keystone XL, insisting that approving the pipeline would trigger “more climate upheaval” around the globe. In an open letter to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry, Carter and the nine other Nobel Peace Prize winners bluntly warned the leaders: “Your decision on the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline will define your climate legacy.” The missive, published as an advertisement in Politico, represents the first time Carter has taken a position on the $5.4 billion project and makes him the first former president to come

Fox News Poll: Many voters say Obama lies
to the country on important matters

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Fox News, by Dana Blanton    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 7:39:27 PM     Post Reply
About six in ten American voters think Barack Obama lies to the country on important matters some or most of the time, according to a Fox News poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent think Obama lies “most of the time,” while another 24 percent say he lies “some of the time.” Twenty percent of voters say “only now and then” and 15 percent “never.” Click here for the poll results. President Obama has been accused by political opponents and media fact-checkers alike of telling falsehoods. Frequently cited: His repeated claim that under Obamacare “If you like your plan, you can keep

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Every Media Outlet: Hillary
Grandkid the Most Consequential
Baby Since Jesus

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Mediaite, by Tina Nguyen    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/18/2014 10:34:40 AM     Post Reply
Less than 16 hours after Chelsea Clinton announced she was pregnant, a lot of major news outlets started staring into the crystal ball of Chelsea’s womb, wondering what this currently floating zygotic multicellular being meant for the prospects of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, which is also a floating, zygotic, multicellular being. Their answer: The immaculately conceived Clinton child could mean everything. And no, it’s not just the fact that having a grandchild could be personally fulfilling to Hillary and Bill (mazel tov, by the way), or that a cute baby would be a sweet cherry on top of Hillary’s already

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