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Archaeologist Claims Piece of
Jesus´ Cross Found at
Ancient Church in Turkey

Christian Post, by Nicola Menzie

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Posted By:Hermoine, 8/2/2013 8:15:31 AM

An archaeologist overseeing a dig at Balatlar Church in Turkey´s Sinop Province claims her team has discovered a 1,350-year-old stone chest containing "a piece of a cross" and which she believes possibly came from the one on which Jesus was crucified as recorded in the Gospels. "We have found a holy thing in a chest. It is a piece of a cross, and we think it was [part of the cross on which Jesus was crucified]," Gulgun Koroglu, head of the years-long excavation at the site, told reporters. "

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Hmmm....methinks this is what she´s really after in announcing her find, FTA: "Koroglu said she hoped her team´s efforts this year would be fruitful. She suggested that the area along the Black Sea could grow in popularity with visitors."

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: miceal, 8/2/2013 8:24:46 AM     (No. 9454377)

I read somewhere if all the purported "pieces of the Cross" were linked together you could build a small modern house. Just sayin´....

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Reply 2 - Posted by: neanderthal, 8/2/2013 8:25:13 AM     (No. 9454378)

Doesn´t anybody know that the mother of Constantine the Great, St. Helen, found the Holy Cross on her trip to the Holy Land? Pieces of it are venerated as Holy Relics all over the world. Nobody should be surprised that a piece of it ended up in Turkey. After all, Turkey was a Christian region before the Turks invaded between the 9th and 15th centuries.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Hermoine, 8/2/2013 8:30:15 AM     (No. 9454392)

#2 -- The article has the St. Helen story in it, I just don´t know if I believe that St. Helen found the cross. Wasn´t the normal routine of the Romans to burn the crosses after they crucified someone?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: tip35c, 8/2/2013 8:32:03 AM     (No. 9454398)

And I found some strange hair in my hairbrush the other day. Naturally I just KNOW whose it is. It´s a miracle!

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Reply 5 - Posted by: coldoc, 8/2/2013 8:33:14 AM     (No. 9454401)

Call geraldo!

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Reply 6 - Posted by: plumnellie, 8/2/2013 8:39:35 AM     (No. 9454413)

I love history and enjoy reading about archaeology. But do not care or need any relics to prove that Jesus is Lord or the Bible is God´s Word.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: laurenc, 8/2/2013 8:43:59 AM     (No. 9454421)

This morning on the Today show, the female host (Savannah something) asked a Catholic Cardinal if this would be an important find, if it really is part of Jesus´ cross. Stunned by the woman´s stupidity, the Cardinal paused a moment before responding yes it would be important.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: bohallx, 8/2/2013 8:49:35 AM     (No. 9454430)

There´s a sort of ´reliable´ story somewhere out there about a fellow who took note of every supposed piece of the cross everywhere on the planet and came up with a volume of wood equal to about 30% of a standard Roman patibulum ~ or cross piece at the top.

These relics are far more controlled and documented than is generally understood. Remember, the DARK AGES didn´t start until the Spring of 535AD! In Western Europe they lasted most of a millennium. In Eastern and Southern Europe they lasted several hundred years. They lasted about 300 years in China ~ the Tang Dynasty actually relocated its court to the far South of China and abandoned most of the place to fire, famine and primitive barbarism.

We sometimes erroneously imagine civilization to be a continuous process over long periods of time.

Frequently it´s not ~ hence, some concern over the provenance of sacred relics from the 1st century.

Ashoka did much better preserving these things than others, but he had a working civilization to help out building huge temple complexes with super secret sealed buried chambers.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Michaelus, 8/2/2013 8:54:56 AM     (No. 9454438)

The finding of the cross is not a legend - whether or not St. Helena found it may be questioned - but historical sources (Cyril of Jerusalem and others)) do state that the cross was found during the reign of Constantine.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Mass Minority, 8/2/2013 8:56:40 AM     (No. 9454442)

It seems her whole claim of provenance comes from the fact it was found as an object of veneration in a church. Very suspect, Churches in the middle ages needed pilgrims to survive. Pilgrims paid to see and worship over relics such as this. No relics, no pilgrims. No pilgrims, no cash flow.

The church was built 650 years after Christ was crucified. Even the Constantine story is quite suspect because she aupposedly found the relic 350 years after Christ was crucified. Even in the dry air of Jeruselem unpreserved wood would have dry rotted away in that time. You can invole a miracle for the preservation and find, but that still offers no provenance to this particular bit of wood.

Pieces of the one true cross were sold in the hundreds of thousands to christian pilgrims in the middle east all throughout the first millenium and well into the second. Half the crusaders returned to their homes carrying a piece of the "one true cross" ironically most of these were sold by enterprising young arabs.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: wws, 8/2/2013 8:58:58 AM     (No. 9454448)

In the 1800´s, Charles Mackay wrote that if all of the pieces of the "True Cross" were joined back together, you could reforest the now-bare mountains of Lebanon.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: bpl40, 8/2/2013 9:20:39 AM     (No. 9454493)

From extremely humble and obscure origins, which could easily have vanished in the mists of history, Christ´s message has become the largest religious faith in the world. That is miracle enough.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: craige, 8/2/2013 9:28:49 AM     (No. 9454513)

Romans were pragmatic. The cross was probably a ´used cross´ when Jesus was crucified. They would have reused the cross as many times as possible. Then used it for firewood.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Quigley, 8/2/2013 9:30:26 AM     (No. 9454517)

It seems irresponsible to make this claim so quickly. It seems pretty clear that the owner of the chest believed it to be a relic. But that doesn´t make it authentic.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: jlw509, 8/2/2013 9:41:22 AM     (No. 9454538)

#1 and #11, these mocking anti-relic statements were made unseriously, much like saying "All the moose allegedly killed by Great White Hunter Sarah Palin would cover Alaska with Queen Charlotte Island thrown in for good measure."

In 1870, Charles Rohault de Fleury made a catalogue of all known relics of the True Cross showing that the fragments hardly accounted for one-third of a cross with the upright 3-4 meters high, and with the crossbeam two meters wide.

If one assumes the upright to have been a permanent installation, with interchangeable crossbeams being carried in and affixed for each executed man, the relics wouldn´t even fully account for the crossbeam.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 8/2/2013 10:03:02 AM     (No. 9454592)

I sincerely doubt that God would have allowed that particular cross to survive. After all, He did remove the bodies of certain of His faithful so that their remains could not be worshipped as idols as He knew they would be. I am, of course, thinking of the examples of Moses and Elijah.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: kate318, 8/2/2013 10:04:02 AM     (No. 9454596)

Shhhhh, don´t tell the ACLU.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/2/2013 10:09:20 AM     (No. 9454608)

Everytime I read about an archeological "find" I´m reminded of David Macaulay´s "Motel of Mysteries."

In the distant future, an archaeologist finds the ruin of an "ancient" motel and proceeds to identify various religious worship objects, such as toilet seats. Very funny book - great illustrations.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: bigfatslob, 8/2/2013 10:19:52 AM     (No. 9454635)

I have to believe that with all the ´crucifying´ the Romans were doing they didn´t make ´fresh´ crosses for every execution. They were early recyclers. I would guess after a time the crosses were turned into cook fires otherwise there wouldn´t be any trees left in the land for anything. The same goes for the Roman spear head that pierced Christ´s side.
All of the above comments are interesting.
Maybe when Christ rose he took it with him.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: happy conservative, 8/2/2013 10:22:26 AM     (No. 9454639)

Unless it was autographed, "Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lord, God in flesh", don´t see how it can be authenticated. Stupid people believe anything they see or hear now.

Okay, woman, you got your 15 lines of fame, now admit to being stupid or a fraud.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Halfvast Conspirator, 8/2/2013 10:22:29 AM     (No. 9454640)

I am thinking about making a movie about the Search for the Holy Grail.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Observer177, 8/2/2013 10:36:22 AM     (No. 9454683)

Provenance is everything in an antique. So, pray tell, given that all sorts of Christian relics--Saint´s shin bones and finger bones, and pieces of the "True Cross"--were sold, probably in the tens of thousands or more, to pious pilgrims in the many centuries after the crucifixion and the rise of Christianity, how do you tell with certainty if a particular wooden fragment was part of the "True Cross" 2,000 plus years after the event?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: msjena, 8/2/2013 10:41:37 AM     (No. 9454700)

Since there´s no way to prove it, why is this even news?

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Reply 24 - Posted by: FLCracker, 8/2/2013 11:08:31 AM     (No. 9454782)

Rich, powerful old lady shows up in Palestine looking to identify Christian religious sites and pick up religious artifacts....

Did I mention she was rich, really, really rich?

Helen left after identifying all the major holy sites and picking up all kinds of artifacts, including the True Cross.

It was a miracle!

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Philly_Patriot, 8/2/2013 11:23:34 AM     (No. 9454816)

An Anglican church in Philadelphia has a piece of the ´True Cross´ which they used to ´exhibit´ on Good Friday.

A friend and I went once to see it but wouldn´t go up to kiss it due to fear of Aids. We didn´t trust the other people at the church, since a number of gay men had left the Catholic Church to go there at the time.

The same reason no one I know goes up for Wine at Communion.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: postaway, 8/2/2013 3:13:30 PM     (No. 9455266)

#20, so if I were to possess a piece of wood that has the words "Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lord, God in flesh" written on it, it´s proof that the wood came from His cross?

I´ve finally discovered a way to become a millionaire! :-)

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Reply 27 - Posted by: mitzi, 8/2/2013 3:43:18 PM     (No. 9455302)

#26 - I believe Pilate wrote in Latin ... so if your piece of wood had words written in English words ... you have a problem.

Look up INRI - the abbreviation for the Latin inscription.



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Remember when Lois Lerner, in answering a planted question at an American Bar Association conference, admitted the IRS had targeted conservative groups but tried to pass it off as the work of rogue agents — “our line people in Cincinnati”? Today we know there were indeed federal agents involved. But they weren’t rogue, and they weren’t confined to IRS workers in Cincinnati. Thanks to a Freedom of Information request by Judicial Watch, we now have an e-mail Lerner sent to colleagues noting the Department of Justice was looking into criminal prosecutions of these tax-exempt groups. We know something else, too. These investigations

Glen Campbell has been
moved into a facility

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People Magazine, by Gilliam Telling    Original Article
Posted By: Hazymac- 4/17/2014 6:58:48 PM     Post Reply
Glen Campbell has been suffering from Alzheimer´s for over three years, but the Grammy-winning singer, 78, has recently moved into a facility, PEOPLE has confirmed. "He was moved to an Alzhemier´s facility last week," says a family friend. "I´m not sure what the permanent plan is for him yet. We´ll know more next week." The "Rhinestone Cowboy" crooner first opened up about having Alzheimer´s to PEOPLE in an exclusive 2011 interview. Campbell and his fourth wife, Kim Woolen, decided to go public with the news because Campbell hoped to embark on a final farewell live tour. The couple wanted his


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