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Can same-sex couples
help save marriage?

Washington Post, by E.J. Dionne

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Posted By:Drive, 8/1/2013 8:04:30 AM

The rapid evolution of attitudes toward gay marriage is a wonder to behold. On few issues has public opinion moved as quickly or decisively. Many who are against the formal recognition of homosexual unions are now resigned to the reality they will eventually become commonplace. The main drivers of this transformation are obvious. Most Americans now know that people they care about are gay men or lesbians, and empathy can do wonderful things. Partly because of this, younger Americans overwhelmingly favor same-sex marriage. They will dominate the electorates of the future.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Newtsche, 8/1/2013 8:18:25 AM     (No. 9452593)

Can E.J. Dionne marry himself?



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Reply 2 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 8/1/2013 8:24:47 AM     (No. 9452606)

The first gay marriage divorces have already been filed.

Gay marriage is going to be another triumph of hope over experience. After years of media propaganda, including TV shows featuring soft cuddly gay characters, a lot of people have some pretty addled perceptions, including that of just how many gays there are out there. That they are more interested in this media fantasy than the reality can be seen in how quickly TV shows that have more realistic portrayals of gay life tank in the ratings.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: yourblueroom, 8/1/2013 8:26:17 AM     (No. 9452610)

i´ve never been on the cusp of a slippery slope like this gay marriage thing. these folks haven´t thought this thru. vis: I´m female. if my dad dies before my mom (God forbid, many long years from now), can i marry my mom after i divorce my husband? there´s no real fear of biological children if i marry my mom. it would be great. she could be on my insurance, and when she passes, i would be her spouse and there would be minimal estate taxes. this is just one of the many problems with gay "marriage" that supporters haven´t thought of. and look! i didn´t even bring up God or the Bible! Traditional marriage is about children, and therefore the Future of human Civilization.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jir, 8/1/2013 8:39:07 AM     (No. 9452632)

Gay marriage has been thrust upon us for one reason and one reason only. Most legislators are lawyers, lawyers are the only ones that will have ultimate financial gain from gay marriage. The divorce lawyers of this country has seen their client base potentially doubled.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: lifelonghuman, 8/1/2013 8:40:24 AM     (No. 9452634)

Empathy? Younger Americans favor anything radical or rebellious. No need to ascribe any honest motives.


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Reply 6 - Posted by: udanja99, 8/1/2013 9:03:45 AM     (No. 9452675)

Give it up, EJ. Gays don´t really want to get married - why give up that wonderful promiscuous lifestyle? The whole point of gay marriage is to destroy traditional marriage. The lawyers who will benefit from gay divorces are just buzzards flying around waiting to pick at the dead carcasses.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 8/1/2013 9:17:05 AM     (No. 9452707)

Nope! Next question.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: enuf8, 8/1/2013 9:17:51 AM     (No. 9452710)

Is E. J. about to come out of the closet and engage in a gay marriage?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 8/1/2013 9:18:02 AM     (No. 9452711)

Perversely, the addition of same sex marriage will likely reduce the total number of weddings rather than add to them. 3% of the population is homosexual and I can only guess that a lot fewer than half of those wish to be tied down sexually in a ´marriage´. As for the heteros, clearly marriage is a beleaguered institution, under attacks by all sorts of fringe groups. Add to this the dawning perception that a wedding ceremony - especially a ´big white wedding´ is mostly theater and that gays love theater, normal males will begin to shun weddings as they now Broadway musicals - as being ´´too gay´´. Instead, if they decide to pair off and have a family at all - it will not be within an official legal structure.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jlw509, 8/1/2013 9:43:10 AM     (No. 9452758)

“Let´s not obsess about the gays; let´s just strengthen normal marriage across the board," some say. But no, you won´t be able to. Because of the new LGBT definitions of "invidious discrimination" and "hate speech," it will be increasingly impossible to organize any activity or service in support of specifically gender-normal kids, man-woman marriage or mom-dad families.

Examples of what you won´t be allowed to do:

• “straight” boys’ or girls’ activity group (like Boy Scouts)
• a marriage-oriented dating service (like e-Harmony)
• religious wedding venue (like Methodist Ocean Grove)
• an adoption program (like Catholic Social Services)
• "straight" ethical/spiritual pastoral care (like by an Armed Forces chaplain)
• a counseling program supporting kids’ natural sex/gender identity (like NARTH)

The above examples show activities already shut down or forced to incorporate the LGBT sex/gender perspective by lawsuits or anti-discrimination laws.

Anything at all related to gender-normal child development, relationships, courtship, weddings, family-building, fertility, adoption ...if you don’t rewrite your program content to affirm the LGBT gender perspective, mark my words, they will take you to court, and shut you down.

Even many "conservatives" only find the LGBT thing mildly nonsensical. Or merely transiently obnoxious. They do NOT know the totalizing nature of the coercion we are facing.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Doctor P, 8/1/2013 9:45:51 AM     (No. 9452767)

Can Dionne improve any conversation by being part of it?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: cjjeepercreeper, 8/1/2013 9:46:02 AM     (No. 9452768)

FTA: "The rapid evolution of attitudes toward gay marriage is a wonder to behold."

What rapid evolution? I haven´t evolved in MY opinion, and no one I know has either. Gay marriage is an abomination, marriage is between a man and a woman.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: provide, 8/1/2013 10:11:52 AM     (No. 9452834)

I´m surprised that there hasn´t been an explosion of gay marriages in prison.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mws50, 8/1/2013 10:15:33 AM     (No. 9452841)

There are around 7 billion people on our planet. Each and every one of us arrived here via the interaction between a male of our species and a female of our species. There is not a single human on this planet that arrived here via the interaction of a male and another male, or a female and another female.

Exactly what is the benefit to our society for allowing males to marry males, or females to marry females? If there is no benefit, why allow it?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: richwill, 8/1/2013 10:26:11 AM     (No. 9452860)

#14, you forgot about invitro, or test tube babies

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Reply 16 - Posted by: kanphil, 8/1/2013 10:30:47 AM     (No. 9452869)

Interesting post, #3.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: jlw509, 8/1/2013 10:43:27 AM     (No. 9452901)

#15, even with IVF, there´s still a necessary male-female interaction (or at least coordination). Just a good deal more emotionally and physically remote, mechanized, and depersonalized than usual.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: mws50, 8/2/2013 6:32:15 PM     (No. 9455553)

#15, create one without using both a male and a female.

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