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Scientists Seek to Rein
In Diagnoses of Cancer

New York Times, by Tara Parker-Pope

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A group of experts advising the nation’s premier cancer research institution has recommended sweeping changes in the approach to cancer detection and treatment, including changes in the very definition of cancer and eliminating the word entirely from some common diagnoses. (Snip) The group, which includes some of the top scientists in cancer research, also suggested that many lesions detected during breast, prostate, thyroid, lung and other cancer screenings should not be called cancer at all but should instead be reclassified as IDLE conditions, which stands for “indolent lesions of

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Image all those that got the vapors way back when Sarah Palin referred to "death panels" coming because of 0bamaCare. Next, AIDS will be taken off the killer list since there are expensive drugs that will allow mostly homosexuals, who are never openly reported when they are primary carriers, who will lead long lives.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Soldiers Father, 7/30/2013 1:11:17 AM     (No. 9449041)

They changed the meaning of marriage, so why not cancer?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Hammock, 7/30/2013 1:23:09 AM     (No. 9449046)

I had two friends whose cancer was being "monitored" or "watched" rather than treated. One had early breast cancer, which I suppose was Ductal Carcinoma in Situ, as I don´t imagine they would have just "followed" any other kind of breast cancer. The other had a slightly elevated PSA that they were going to "watch". My friends would have had a better chance had they been treated rather than futzed around with.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: KTWO, 7/30/2013 1:31:54 AM     (No. 9449049)

And redefine death as possibly undetected life, PUD. That should improve some medical statistics. Other statistics can be ignored.

The medical profession should consult the Department Of Labor about the production of agreeable statistics.

When a person enters PUD status the government will take control of his/her income and estate. It will be held in trust in case the person springs back to life and need it again.



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Reply 4 - Posted by: suedotsue, 7/30/2013 2:39:49 AM     (No. 9449070)

They already said no more men´s prostate tests, not a single one, they said they don´t help in fact they harm. Before that they said many women´s tests aren´t needed either.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Proud Texan, 7/30/2013 3:01:49 AM     (No. 9449078)

WOW! This kinda reminds me of the 60´s when some democrat in congress wanted to outlaw August or September, (i don´t remember which) because there were too many hurricanes. This was back when the glaciers of the new ice age were knocking at our door.

Close to the subject, I would already have a dead sister, a dead mother, a dead father, and I would have been dead a long time ago with these obamacare rules. As it is I get to enjoy having a full family. Any time their new rules cause anyone´s death, the people on the panels along with the dims that voted for it should have another count of premeditated murder to deal with.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: lil dotty, 7/30/2013 3:07:43 AM     (No. 9449081)

Per E. Cummings
"Death is a part of life" with
an equal opportunity to first-hand experience


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Reply 7 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 7/30/2013 3:10:15 AM     (No. 9449084)

If only half the people were going to die of their not-quite-cancer condition, why spend money treating them?

Let´s take a chance, and save some money. By the time their cancer really takes off, it´ll be too late. Then the government can save money on their social security and medicare, too.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: deepthinker, 7/30/2013 3:12:48 AM     (No. 9449086)

Well I guess that proves the greatness of Obamacare!! We define a bunch of conditions as "not cancer" and in a few years point out how the published stats for cancer rates have plummeted. Kudos for the ONE--death for some old white people.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Spidey, 7/30/2013 3:31:26 AM     (No. 9449095)

Left wing scientists have actually bastardized the true meaning of the word science.Speculation by these people is now considered science,even though the conclusions have an emotional bias.For example,scientists couldn´t care less about black or brown bears but they have a careful eye on polar
bears because it advances a political agenda,

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Crosscut, 7/30/2013 4:07:07 AM     (No. 9449110)

Is this some of kind of sneaky ploy of Obamacare in preparation for when the death panels begin calling the shots regarding our healthcare?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Country Boy, 7/30/2013 4:08:14 AM     (No. 9449112)

Nobody is cutting back on Colonoscopy screening, so maybe this new thinking on other cancers is legit. Just read about Sam Simon (age 58) creator of The Simpsons, has terminal colorectal cancer. Guess he took a pass on the early screening.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: gaeditor, 7/30/2013 6:57:43 AM     (No. 9449196)

I just went through a diagnosis of DCIS -stage ZERO. Hooray, but my surgeon announced to me first, "Well you have cancer. But its stage zero." Which I didn´t really understand, (which she quickly realized) but I was sent to the radiologist (who explained why I didn´t need her) and the oncologist and on and on. I´m not questioning their great care and concern, but eventually my oncologist said, "Well, your cancer is like a polyp in your intestine. It is cancer, technically, but it kind of..isn´t. Its a pre-cancer." He is amazing, highly respected, very well-known in his field. That´s what they mean.

As a side note, they recommended that I take a drug called Tamoxifin. (Lots of women take it, even without breast cancer.) It gave me a fatty liver and two attacks of pancreatitis. (Trust me, you do NOT want that; so painful all they can do is knock you out for a few days.)Now I have the fatty liver to deal with.

I think that may be what they mean. They overdo sometimes because doctors are trained or are the type of people to "take care" of you. Not that they don´t want to treat people, but currently, they are a little treatment-happy, pill-happy, or at least in my case, and wound up causing me even bigger problems.



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Reply 13 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 7/30/2013 7:42:41 AM     (No. 9449239)

I smell a rat; a big, ugly Democrat rat of the Obamacare poitispeak variety. Coming soon to a clinic near you.

The ADD and ADHD diagnoses in the newly discovered ´´disease´´ they will leave entirely alone so that perfectly normal but active young adults can eat parents out of house and home until their mid-twenties.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 7/30/2013 8:51:30 AM     (No. 9449342)

When it was our insurance company paying for the biopsy and treatment it was cancer. Now that "Obamanoncare" is coming soon, they need to quickly reclassify what needs to be diagnosed and treated. They are already saying that mammograms no longer need to be done annually.
Now they want to start calling that precancerous polyp a non-invasive group of cells that we need to keep an eye on. And coming soon - a colonoscopy will not be needed until age 65, and there will be no need to do one after age 75.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: anonymous, 7/30/2013 8:59:11 AM     (No. 9449356)

I´m of the view that cancer is over-diagnosed and that many "cancer sufferers" are intimidated into using poisonous drug treatments to prevent the tumors from supposedly spreading. Big pharmaceutical companies have contributed to this culture because it has produced enormous profits for them.

It´s my view that, in quite a number of cases, chemotherapy kills cancer patients long before the cancer would have.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: tennisbum, 7/30/2013 9:20:28 AM     (No. 9449393)

I am a cancer patient. These esteemed scientists, really and how did they become esteemed, can put polish on the pig but it remains a pig. So we now need new definitions of cancer....".You have almost cancer, may be some day cancer but not just yet cancer and maybe never will be cancer". Not to worry, Be happy.

Run quickly away from these doctors. They are mostly bureaucrats who sometimes see real patients, unfortunately for the patients.

I have had 10 cancer surgeries..left kidney removed (diagnosed renal cell carcinoma that had consumed most of my kidney..cancer for sure); upper left lobe of my lung removed (adenocarcinoma and I don´t smoke); 8 melanoma surgeries...Stage III) radiation, chemo, a vaccine and immune system stimulating drugs. The reason I´m still alive is that each of the cancers were caught early as well as the recurrences thanks to checkups, scans and biopsies.

I am blessed to have an oncologist who doesn´t place a lot of value in word semantics. Sadly, lots of patients trust these bureaucrats with their lives and they will lose.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: mitzi, 7/30/2013 9:27:28 AM     (No. 9449399)

I suspect that they´ve found that there are some common procedures and popular drugs that cause cancer, and it´s less problematic to change the diagnosis than to face facts about those procedures and drugs.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: pineledger, 7/30/2013 9:27:33 AM     (No. 9449400)

A very frightening development from the same crowd who was so sure Obamacare was the way to go. Remember all those white coats?

They are stripping away healthcare, not advancing it.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/30/2013 9:51:33 AM     (No. 9449450)

Obamacare is not yet fully implemented and already there are fewer people dying of cancer. This will bend the cost curve down so there will be enough money to fund the massive bureaucracy to run Obamacare - that is unless they spend it all hiring doctors and nurses. Their work is so important it should be done for free. It is OK to charge for frivolous things but real necessities should be free. The doctors can always use their training to become vets and charge to care for peoples pets! /s

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Reply 20 - Posted by: OhMy, 7/30/2013 10:27:31 AM     (No. 9449505)

Please forgive the extra post but #16 just google Ketogenic diet & Cancer and/or Dr Thomas Seyfried and find a doctor who will put these insights into action. The short version is that cancer feeds on blood sugar but can´t use ketones. Healthy cells can run on ketones so if you get the blood sugar down and the ketones up the cancer is stopped.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 7/30/2013 11:05:07 AM     (No. 9449578)

From what I´ve read, over-diagnosis is a legitimate concern, with good arguments on both sides. I don´t think it´s necessary to impugn people´s motives.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Cinwasp, 7/30/2013 11:18:49 AM     (No. 9449609)

Over diagnosis is often a defense used by the physician against getting sued for "non-treatment"


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Reply 23 - Posted by: RancherJack, 7/30/2013 11:32:57 AM     (No. 9449634)

Think words don´t matter? Check out ´silly´

From Old English, Norse, West Germanic it originally meant happy; to comfort; blessed; blissful.

Protestant work ethic language inflection morphed this wonderful word from blissful, to pious to innocent to harmless then to pitiable to weak to feeble minded and finally to a synonym for foolishness.

Words matter.

This is all about the Death Panels.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: tennisbum, 7/30/2013 11:35:45 AM     (No. 9449640)

I just love those who have never heard the words "You have cancer" pontificate about what they´d do or not do what with all of the over-diagnoses, unnecessary treatments being done today. So they´d go home, take an aspirin and wait for another 5 years and get checked again to see if it had changed (grown).......RIGHT!!! Stage IV means it has spread to organs and the outcome is not usually good. So, it would seem logical to me, I´m not a scientist(and don´t pla y one on TV), that if the cancer is caught early enough, there is an excellent chance for a positive outcome. Scans, biopsies and then surgery, radiation and/or chemo would seem to make sense to me. Watching and waiting is a fool´s strategy. I repeat, if it has grown, it could have most likely spread . Each person has choices. Semantics only confuses the issue.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Sandbar, 7/30/2013 11:37:36 AM     (No. 9449645)

I´ve had three cancer surgeries in the past 13 years for three, the doctors believe, unrelated cancers. The last, in my left upper lung lobe was diagnosed approx 20 years ago as a "spot" in my lung. They regularly monitored it and two years ago it suddenly started growing. A quick biopsy, diagnosed as malignant, they removed the lobe and case closed. Monitoring is sometimes the way to go.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: xique, 7/30/2013 11:58:32 AM     (No. 9449701)

Right, #20. Hyperbaric oxygen plus a ketone diet is a way to go.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 7/30/2013 2:35:20 PM     (No. 9449943)

Thank you, #s 20 and 26... Have had two types of cancer, and after out-patient surgery, was admitted the next day through the ER to a 12-day hospital stay with a painful abscess infection... "Unrelated" to surgery!

My doctor and head oncologist both recommended chemo... those 12 days were a blessing in disguise as it gave me time to do my homework on cancer...

UCLA grad, Leigh Erin Connealy, from "Cancer is Curable" DVD and Center for New Medicine here in OC is my GP and friend...

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Clinger, 7/30/2013 3:13:35 PM     (No. 9449998)

Finally a cure for cancer and in my lifetime, I feel better already. No doubt there is a need for some clarity, three of the people closest to me have had cancer ranging from a routine technically cancer but "no harm no foul" to only a few weeks to live. Then again I wasn´t stupid enough to panic at one end or take the other lightly.

Expect some of the government recommended guidelines to continue to call for less action and for the rules regarding who can perform what task to be loosened. We´ll be going to Wallmart to be treated by someone with only vocational training for treatments we used to be required to pay Doctors to perform in hospitals.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Highvoltage, 7/30/2013 4:09:48 PM     (No. 9450058)

Could this be Democrats secret method to save SS and Medicare´s trust fund? After all early death = shorter draw on the funds.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: smcchk, 7/30/2013 4:12:28 PM     (No. 9450061)

#12, just had a stage 0 or 1 breast cancer scare last week. Very luckily, it was benign but my surgeon husband never hesitated that I would have surgery ASAP first and then radiation after if it had not been. I am sorry for your complications. That is debilitating and discouraging! I too worry that this re-classification is just a warmup for less aggressive treatment We will be visiting a friend, from Canada, who is dying of colon cancer, which should have been entirely treatable with more vigilant medical care than they have in Canada.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 7/30/2013 8:15:03 PM     (No. 9450343)

Before long it will be a crime against the people to sneeze.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jorgecito, 7/30/2013 9:05:51 PM     (No. 9450387)

#12, I hope that what you´re saying is what is really going on here.

If I understand your post correctly, you´re describing how doctors tend to over-diagnose cancer, and over-treat "pre-cancerous" conditions ... with treatments that sometimes may be worse than the original condition.

There is a lot of over-treatment that has gone on for years, and it has not been for the good of patients.

Unfortunately, with ObamaCare, the pendulum is probably about to swing completely to the opposite side, i.e. to severe under-treatment of those whom Big Brother State deems lebensunwertes Leben.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 7/30/2013 9:18:49 PM     (No. 9450398)

Welcome to the sleight of hand, hocus pocus of Obamacare.
Cancer will no longer be termed cancer, just inconvenient spots on livers, lungs and breasts.
Expensive diagnostic tests and treatment will no longer be required.
And Voila !
The death rates from cancer will suddenly decline under Obamacare.
The media will declare Obamacare a success , despite the unnecessary deaths
of many from treatable neoplasms.


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Reply 34 - Posted by: so_free_me, 7/30/2013 11:21:04 PM     (No. 9450483)

Disagree entirely with most of you. I read a book called "should I be tested for cancer? Maybe not and here´s why" several years ago. What an eye opener. Many, many people have had invasive surgeries and horrific treatments because someone in the pathology lab found an anomaly in the biopsy and terrified the patient. They probably never were going to get breast cancer or prostate cancer but they were so alarmed they went ahead with the invasive and expensive treatments.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: NotaBene, 7/31/2013 12:28:36 AM     (No. 9450515)

Previous poster is wrong. These are the Death Panels our Sarah warned about. These intraepithelial neoplasias progress into metastatic cancer. If you have one have SURGERY if you want to live. Cancer is cancer.

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It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Living in the New York Times World
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American Thinker, by J. Paul Masko    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

´America´s royal baby´: How Chelsea´s first
child could give Hillary Clinton a boost in
the polls if she runs for president in 2016

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Jessica Jerreat    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/19/2014 7:12:10 PM     Post Reply
For Hillary Clinton, having her own baby grandchild to kiss on the campaign trail, could be one of the biggest boosts to her possible presidential election campaign. Although the former Secretary of State and First Lady has not said if she will run in 2016, the arrival of her first grandchild will soften her image, analysts have said. While Chelsea only revealed her pregnancy on Thursday, supporters of her mother have already started cooing over a possible baby in the White House. With the Clintons having a near-royal status in the U.S., the announcement of a new arrival due this fall has sent

Obama: ´For me, Easter is a story of hope,
a belief in a better day to come´

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Investor´s Business Daily, by Andrew Malcolm    Original Article
Posted By: SurferLad- 4/19/2014 9:16:36 AM     Post Reply
Hi, everybody. For millions of Americans, this time of year holds great meaning. Earlier this week, we hosted a Passover Seder at the White House, and joined Jewish families around the world in their re-tellings of the story of the Exodus and the victory of faith over oppression. And this Sunday, Michelle, Malia, Sasha, and I will join our fellow Christians around the world in celebrating the Resurrection of Christ, the salvation he offered the world, and the hope that comes with the Easter season. These holy days have their roots in miracles that took place long ago. And yet, they still inspire us, guide us, and strengthen us today. They remind us of our

Harry Reid calls dissident Nevada ranchers
´domestic terrorists´ following show of
force against the federal government

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Martosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 4/19/2014 9:29:17 AM     Post Reply
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday that a family of dissident ranchers and their supporters in his home state of Nevada are ´domestic terrorists,´ citing this week´s standoff with the federal government´s Bureau of Land Management. Cliven Bundy has refused to pay grazing fees for land where his hundreds of cattle roam every day. The land is owned by the federal government, which says he owes more than $1 million. Bundy, however, insists that since his family has been using the land since the 1870s, Uncle Sam can´t collect the grazing fees. A tense standoff developed this week after

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Ted Cruz, Invoking Reagan,
Angers GOP Colleagues
but Wins Fans Elsewhere

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Wall Street Journal, by Monica Langley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/19/2014 8:09:17 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON--Rushing to an afternoon vote last month, Sen. Ted Cruz hopped the underground tram to the U.S. Capitol from his office across the street. The Texan planted his black ostrich cowboy boots in the middle of the small subway car without getting so much as a nod from the other senators--Republican or Democrat--amiably chatting or huddled in their seats. Mr. Cruz finds himself standing alone a lot these days. His response to the cold shoulders: "The establishment despised Ronald Reagan" before he became president, "but the people loved him." For the 43-year-old Republican, the Reagan name illuminates his political life´s

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?


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