The Obama administration was facing renewed pressure over the secrecy of its surveillance programs, as a group of US senators demanded it reveal how it interprets the laws that underpin them and foreign governments expressed growing concern. A bill, to be introduced in the Senate on Tuesday, would force the US government to disclose the opinions of a secretive surveillance court that determines the scope of the eavesdropping on Americans´ phone records and internet communications. Separately, a leading member of the Senate intelligence committee came close to saying that James Clapper,
Comments: It just shocks me that the proceedings and orders of the FISA court are completely secret. That sure is bad when you have someone like Holder and 0bama in charge. Especially when the attorney general is responsible for the FISA court guidelines. Heavy sigh.
I feel sorry for those NSA employees who have to work around-the-clock to find dirt on these Senators in their emails and such.
OP: it´s pretty unsettling to see/hear so many people [like Senators, like Rudy Giuliani on Fox tonight, and lots of others] say "it´s ok, we can trust X or Y or Z," when there´s so much evidence, such a pattern or corruption all over this administration.
I´d count the pennies if they gave me change for a nickel. Twice.
Remember The Guardian is a Leftist megaphone for every "progressive" policy Obama still stands for. No chance in hell they are now out to get him. Is this scandal being used as a way to cover-up the previous ones? Who knows, but rest assured "news" sources like the Guardian are nothing if not Obama worshippers. They protected Him during Fast and Furious (where did that go?), they protected Him during Benghazi (where did that go?) and they will protect Him now, no matter how it may look at the moment.
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The Advocate, 6/12/2013 6:56:36 AM (No. 9371692)
Lois Lerner Leaked the IRS scandal and is still accessing her computer and on full pay-deleting files no doubt. Perhaps Snowden is just another Obamophile seeking to distract from Benghazi, IRS, AP, Rosen, amnesty ObamaCARE/TAX et al. The Guardian is certainly certifiably pro Obama and anti American. So many scandals -the electorate is overwhelmed, tired, broke and jobless thanks to the Obama Cabal onslaught. Senators are not pressing Obama-they are enabling him.
Obama is a disgrace but our dear electeds in Washington are giving him a run for his money or in the very least, enabling hIm. There are very few who merit trust in that city. It is a cesspool of corruption. When the guy at the top has no conscience or moral compass, it brings out the worst in people.
Folks - as long as the dims control the Senate,impeaching BO is a waste of time and political capital.
There is ONLY ONE solution. Elect better representatives who are honest and will hold the future of our cherished values and the freedom of the USA as their highest priority.
Until we take back our country through the election process, we are going to be on the losing side of this debacle.
By the way, this divide in culture and values has been true in America since the revolutionary war. This is NOT the first time we have been so divided. Read about the Civil war and how it almost destroyed America.
"We need to step back here and say clearly: mass surveillance is not what we want,..." Not what who wants? It´s obviously what the rulers of the USA, both Republican and Democrat, want. They wouldn´t be doing it otherwise. We are not allowed to simply surveil the terrorists (Muslims) because that would be (Gasp!) profiling. We can´t even identify our enemy because that wouldn´t be PC.
One thing is for sure, the good old USA may be morphing into a totalitarian state before our very eyes but by golly, it will be a Politically Correct totalitarian state - but wait, that´s what a totalitarian state is, isn´t it? A state where every word and every thought is controlled by it´s rulers? In other words, a Politically Correct state. Up with PC!
It´s discouraging to hear Boehner and Peter King defend the NSA snooping. They are just as sick as John McCain. What the h good is this NSA snooping, based on results? This makes the whole post 09/11/01 followup of creating Homeland Security, TSA, passing (un)Patriot(ic) Act seem as just a means to an end to promote the caliphate and wage war on patriotic Americans. It´s really getting old. Defiance till the end! Go to hell Obama adminstruation and your corrupted/compromised/subverted agencies!
Amen to all of the above. Did anyone hear Boehner use such strong language on Bradley Manning, whose disclosures probably resulted in deaths of covert agents as he has used on Snowden, who basically confirmed something we already knew. I think Boehner gets told to go out and be outraged or he will see some of his intercepted emails exposed.
I agree that it is very disappointing to hear political leaders that we may have respect for, say this intrusion into our privacy is necessary and okay. I´ve decided they just don´t have an ethical core anymore, they´ve been in politics so long they just don´t know the difference in right and wrong anymore. I have noticed they all comment on phone numbers, but omit credit card transactions, Internet snooping, bank account information that has all been part of the collection by NSA.
When Bush was honest and admitted that if an American was talking to a suspected foreign terrorist, the call might be monitored, the left went nuts. I thought that was a reasonable approach.
But casting a broad net over Americans just to see what you might catch is unacceptable. There is no probable cause and phone calls have been defined to have a reasonable expectation of privacy. You generally need a warrant showing cause to tap someone´s phone. I don´t care if this is not content related, only the number called etc. it´s none of the government´s business.
Of course, deliberate leak (and deaths of people) of actual intelligence via the pipsqueak Bradley Manning - and silence from the likes of Boehner. Deliberate leak of the existence of a program by Snowden and it´s off with his head.
Re: #8 - I long to return to a time when American voters could participate in an honest election "refereed" by a slightly biased media not completely in the tank for their darlings of the left. Unfortunately, I submit that this way of thinking is precisely why we have the blatant, in-your-face lawlessness and lack of ethics coming from the entire spectrum of progressives. In other words, while you wait to take back your country through the election process, your country is sliding inexorably towards a Marxist dictatorship bolstered by Sharia-compliant courts.
I say take a page from the civil rights, gay rights, and illegal rights movements where a small percentage of the population made sure they were seen and heard. Conservatives are three times as numerous and prosperous as the civil rights marchers but seem to be only one-third as motivated. Raw numbers in the streets will create movement that cannot and will not be ignored by the media and governing elites. Is it too inconvenient or are we afraid of being shot down in the streets? Are conservatives now reduced to being "Patriots of Convenience?"
You know, it´s funny. I saw some talking heads on Fox News several days ago, at this point, I cannot even remembef who. Anyway, they said, "Republicans will support Obama in this, it will be the Democrats that turn on him."
I guffawed, and muttered to myself, "Yeah, right. Let´s watch and see what happens then,"
Sure enough! The Republicans have been nearly in lock step supporting this! It´s to keep us safe, it´s only for terrorists! OMG!
Several Congress Critters say they have heard nothing of this after Obama says they have all been briefed, it goes back for reapproval, they all knew.
I don´t believe my ears when they support him. They willingly give up my rights without my permission or consent.
Taxation without representation at this point, this is NOT what I voted for!
What pressure and which senators? Those eggheads in the senate are talking about giving voting rights to illegals and the possible demise of the Republican party. You can´t make me believe there´s pressure from the senate. A few people in flyover country are concerned but the NSA will data mine us for future travel to Obama´s Gulags.
#3 All we can do is look at the effect. Since the media can´t walk and chew gum, only one scandal at a time is covered. The effect is that all the other scandals are buried. I can understand why they focus on this one. The public is divided on whether it is even a scandal. Many want even more snooping.
There´s no way that the House is going to impeach the first 10% black president and no way that the Senate would ever convict. Our best shot is to keep zippy and the demoncrats tied up in investigations for the next 3 1/2 years. Make their lives a living hell.
Politically, we´re in chaos. A fabulous American business world is being choked to death. Individual after individual squeezed down to empty. Question: why isn´t EVERY Congressional elite bum screaming daily, at every public appearance opportunity, about (1) IRS persecution of citizens and timely removal of tax tyranny (2) fraudulence of secret GIANT amnesty bill and its lying promoter Marco Rubio, (3) the silence of Obama´s Benghazi stand down (4) the silence of Billary´s Benghazi stand down (5) Washington’s silence re newly revealed massive NSA invasion on privacy of all citizens, (6) Hitlerian-Feinstein brutality of exposing peaceful gun ownership in an increasingly violent world, and (7) media blindness to increasing Islamic supremacist violence that has already taken over Europe and is on its way here. That’s just for openers! Answer: it all comes down to Washington’s greed lobbying machine where privilege is for sale by all Congressional whores, and the lying, richly overpaid Diane Sawyers news actors guarantee to cover it all up and not allow anybody of good conscience to scream on TV. It’s a sickening mess when nice looking Marco Rubio can dominate TV with politically correct “amnesty”, while never discussing horrible details of this massive, obamaskare look-alike filthy bill. The corrupted Diane Sawyers, Fox News, all promote this senatorial bamboozling lying to all America. Rubio is our next “don’t read the bill” Puglosi fraudster. June 9 Daily Caller, Betsy McCaughey breaks down this tax theft "amnesty" obamacare-like sickening bill that not one single Congress droid has yet to read and discuss.
Anyone who is surprised that the government is tracking their every phone call, email, and credit card transaction is naive. Just what did they think a 4 billion dollar Utah NSA facility equipped with 1.5 million 4gb hard drives was going to do...track sports scores?
"Every email, all your internet activity, every phone conversation, every piece of GPS data, all social and media interactions, every credit card transaction, every electronic detail about your life, like it or not, is being placed into a safety box that you have no control over. The government can come at any point, open that box, and conduct retroactive surveillance on you. They will be able to create a perfect profile of your behavior, and they will be exceptionally well armed if they deeem your behavior to be in opposition to the best interest of the state" Brad Thor novel that is true.
It makes one wonder when people like Michael Mukasey, former judge (presided over the trial of the Blind Sheikh) and US Attorney General, say that the programs were necessary to attack terrorism. John Bolton and Peter King, among others, speak of treason.
At Accuracy in Media, Cliff Kincaid speaks of Snowden being protected by China with an offer of a home in Russia, and points out that Soros-funded organizations are calling for an end to spying on us.
It makes it very hard to know what to think. Are hostile forces using the Mannings and Snowdens of the world to cripple our defenses?
we are being presented with a straw man argument. That is we haveto haveallthis electonic devices. but if it was 20 yrs ago we would not have had the inventions. so what to do? Old -fashionedboing C ia and FBI and P.D. foot work. Get out there and talkt to people check out each neaighbor hoodand find out who is hinky and pay him a visit, over and over. Check for real legit govt IDs at the airport.Hire Police to back up the gate agents as thy see all kinds of ID. Have the TSA screeners fly on fights they have just screened.If the TSAers have passed thru some LA RaZA compaadre then one of their own buds is at risk every flight.Lets see how long that lasts. We Can´t do all this? Sure we can! We are Americans and we can change things that aren´t working. We can backofffrom allthis electronics and go to Humint- human beings.
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