Pro golfers, golf writers, and TV commentators are up in arms that Tiger Woods was only given a 2-stroke penalty for his illegal drop on the 15th hole yesterday. Tiger said last night that he dropped his ball two yards behind his previous spot, clearly violating the rule that you must drop "as nearly as possible" to your original spot. Golf people are not happy about it. They say that the new rule is B.S. (or it´s at least being misinterpreted), and Tiger should DQ himself to save the integrity of the game.
Comments: Nick Faldo saying now (live) that Tiger had a chance to do the right thing today and he didn´t do it. His word.
Woods began his year with a rules situation in Abu Dhabi. He took relief from an embedded lie in a sandy area covered in grass. He was entitled to a free drop except in sand, and Woods was given a two-shot penalty. He was alerted of this before he signed his card, and the two-shot penalty caused him to miss the cut.
Sorry #1, but you´re wrong. He had 3 options. First, is your option, but the ball entered the water far to the left after it hit the flag. Second hit from the designated drop area, and third, the option he chose; to drop the ball as close as possible to the original shot.
He even admitted to backing off 2 yards to compensate for his previous shot.
He knew, he cheated, got caught and should been DQ´d
In a press conference a while ago, Competition Committee Chairman Ridley did say that Tiger broke the rules with his drop. They just didn´t find out soon enough, he had already signed his score card, etc., etc., etc. The DQ would have been for signing a score card with an incorrect score. They gave that to him.
The information about Tiger´s having admitted, in an interview with ESPN at the close of his round, to deliberately dropping the ball two yards back to gain an advantage went to Augusta in a phone call later last night.
The "rules people" are Augusta members who have a lot to gain or lose depending on their interpretation of the rules. This is why their current interpretation of the 2 rules involved is so open to controversy. DQing Tiger would mean sponsors and CBS who paid millions for the privilege would be mighty unhappy and next year´s income might take a hit.
The Tiger of 1958, Arnold Palmer, according to Ken Venturi, violated the rules and that the Augusta Rules committee allowed him to sign, what Venturi claims was an incorrect score card. This was Palmer´s first major win.
Loud mouth Nick Faldo who fueled the early morning controversy this morning on the Golf Channel, is now eating crow on CBS, saying he didn´t know the committee reviewed this issue BEFORE Tiger signed his card! For those who hate Tiger all-the-time coverage, he was the only topic for the first 10 minutes of the tourney coverage, and now ya got Faldo doing a "moonwalk."
Relief from regular (yellow marked) water hazards is somewhat different from relief from red marked (lateral) hazards, but as a professional Tiger should have known how to proceed. Tournament players encounter such situations regularly. He did somewhat improve his situation by backing up six feet before dropping; he certainly felt slightly more comfortable playing from the wrong spot. The Committee could have disqualified him for signing for a score lower than he actually shot. That they didn´t do so has created a controversy that is possibly worse than DQing Tiger.
Today I have communicated with several of my pro buddies, and they´re split on what should have been done. It´s possible that Tiger didn´t know that he was breaking a Rule, but that really shouldn´t matter. He tried to improve his position illegally, and in doing so made an apparent six instead of what could have been a much higher number.
But as I said on another thread, Arnold Palmer was the beneficiary of the Committee overruling a rules official in 1958, resulting in a one stroke victory instead of finishing tied for third one stroke behind. Bad rulings happen in every sport. We´ve just got to live with it.
An honest mistake on Woods part I would say. He implicated himself in discussing the shot afterward, morphing the two options he had (in the line back to the tee if he wanted or to drop nearest the errant shot - he did neither and explained why. The committee ruled, he accepted their ruling, and that could be the end of it, except someone with a higher moral standard may have opted to exit - not Tiger´s metier.
#25, ”Sir” Faldo admitted he was wrong! This is the same loud-mouth who claimed 3 years ago when Tiger was ranked #58 he would never be the same player because of what was happening in his personal life...proclaimed he would never break Jack’s major record...this, from a guy who’s been divorced 3 times and had an ex bash his Porsche with a golf club after a break-up... The other loud-mouth this morning was Greg Norman, who was hosting Clinton at his home when Clinton was mysteriously injured, who regularly double dated with his then wife and his lover and her then husband, before a double divorce allowed him to marry his lover, Chrissy Evert, for 9 or 10 months before divorcing her. Norman’s jilted wife got $150 million.
#27 has an accurate assessment based on the situation and analysis on the Golf Channel this morning and what I know. Yellow hazards are problematic as they are somewhat subject to interpretation. If it had been a red hazard he would have unequivocally lost stroke and distance.
Tiger got preferential treatment. That´s life. Let´s face it he moves the needle and that means big bucks. Anyway, if he said he thought what he did was right and the officials made a call before he signed the card confirmed that, I am ok with it. Officials make mistake all the time. These people calling in after the fact should not be entertained. They are spectators only and not part of the game.
If a player signs his card at the end of a round, with an incorrect score, he is disqualified. Bu h officials at the event knew of the drop, reviewed his actions, while Tiger was still on the course, and initially ruled that he did nothing wrong. So the after the fact two stroke penalty was appropriate, rather than disqualification.
The rule is pretty stupid, by the way. As long as he didn´t go closer to the hole with his drop, that was OK, in my opinion. And - I believe it was Byron Nelson who said that the rules of golf should be written on a matchbook cover. Get it? Finally, Nick Faldo is the most boorish person in the world, in my opinion. He just cannot stop talking.
After inquiries from tv viewers, the rules committee reviewed the video that clearly showed the drop was improper, as the divot was in plain sight. Later the committee had second thoughts when Tiger remarked in a post round interview that he sought advantage with his drop. This statement by Tiger undoubtedly prompted more calls from viewers. The original ruling was wrong and the committee knows it, and did its best to make the situation whole, I think.
It´s Sir, not "Sir", #31, whether your ox is gored or not. For one who admits to not playing the game, you diminish credibility with name calling and irrelevant comparisons.
This is a specific incident with one specific ruling concerning one specific player. There are legitimate questions about how this went down, the ruling seems to say more about the rules committee than the infraction.
BTW How is Woods assessed a two stroke penalty but the pairings remain unchanged? The Woods intimidation factor is undeniable, the closer he is to the leaders, the more the legendary Masters crowd becomes a factor. By keeping his pairing, there´s that potential intimidation factor and happier broadcasters with him not finishing that much sooner.
If that is correct, #40, then the CBS weekend announcers were pivotal to creating this storm...was Faldo or a surrogate the first caller...did he urge Nantz to make the second call to Masters officials...my tinfoil hat is getting mixed signals...we´ll see if Tiger has the pull some claim cuz if he does, Faldo and Nantz might have replacements for tomorrow´s coverage...
There are probably twenty players with a chance to win tomorrow, including Tiger. May the best man win. But as the golf captain at Nashville´s Montgomery Bell Academy in 1973 and at Vanderbilt in 1977, I´m pulling for Brandt Snedeker, who did the same thing in 1999 and 2003. As a pro he´s better than I ever hoped to be, and I´m proud of him.
Jim Nantz was Fred Couples´s roommate at the University of Houston, but I doubt he´d risk his announcer´s chair by being getting involved in trying to compel a ruling from the Committee.
As for Sir Nick Faldo, OBE, during his playing prime he beat an awful lot of players I liked--I especially remember Raymond Floyd in the 1990 Masters--and was a biennial pain in the rear end during Ryder Cup week. But after being tagged "El Foldo" by the tawdry British tabloid press, he went on to win six majors (three Masters, three Open Championships), so he has earned my grudging respect as a player. As an announcer I find him to be quite good, and an engaging fellow to boot.
My opinion of him totally changed some years ago when he was being honored at a dinner with a large crowd of friends and media in attendance. To his friends and fellow competitors he said, "I thank you from the bottom of my heart," and he really meant it. If your fellow competitors respect you, you´ve done well.
Then, turning toward the press contingent sitting off to the side, Sir Nick said, equally sincerely, "I thank you from the heart of my bottom." Now that´s a bloke I can admire!
Of course, it´s always about the money and the ratings. I´ve got news for CBS. There are plenty of other good players, and I´d still watch golf if Tiger never played another game. Many of us are sick about all Tiger all the time.
I´ve been hoping he won´t win, but now believe he will be called an even bigger cheater if he does end up winning another green jacket.
Snedeker played beautifully. No bogeys. This could be his time. As for Jim Nantz, I´m also dubious that he would place a call to AGNC regarding the Tiger interview even though he has a right to do it like everybody else. And with millions of viewers it seems likely the club phones rang off the wall after Tiger disclosed his drop strategy. Let´s hope tomorrow is just about golf at what I consider to be the premiere event in sports.
This whole affair has a ring of hype to it. Tiger breaks the rule, admits to it, and instead of being DQ´ed, is given a two stroke penalty. The kid from China is given a one stroke penalty for slow play.
Takeaways: 1) Tiger can do no wrong; too many bottom lines (plus a national narrative) are at stake. 2) The Chinese people are going to be miffed, seeing this as unfair to their guy. 3) The Masters is further diminished.
Me? I hope Tiger wins. That way we can always say, "Yeah, but if he hadn´t been shown special treatment...." And we can go on to compare his "victory" with Barry Bonds´ batting record, etc.
This is like an instant replay becoming a 12 hour hmmmm what shoud we do now? All based on One Caller to a rules committee member at Augusta? Wow, who´s got the ear of those people, direct line? I doubt even Condi could get through there. My question is, who called? I can´t stand Tiger, but the rules commitee and officials and Augusta national are at fault here.
Sounds like #15´s take on the rule is a Catch-22 of sorts. If a player starts with an unplayable lie, takes a drop, and it yields a playable lie, doesn´t that improve his lie? If no improvement were permitted, then only a drop that makes one´s lie even worse could be considered legal. That can´t be how it works, because that doesn´t work to begin with.
#55, Woods said he dropped in an area that was in better condition than where his ball had been. Plus by moving back a couple yards, he had a better distance. Yep, at those distances, pro golfers expect to be that precise.
So by getting this specific drop situation wrong, Woods doubly benefitted. Funny, if he had taken it upon himself to withdraw -- which he should have -- he´d have done more to help himself than any win could accomplish.
#21 stated the new rule . It was supposedly put in place to protect players from off site armchair judges who call in to report broken rules. The rule imposes stroke penalty but stops short of disqualification. Tiger did sign his score card improperly because he did not mention his drop.
Tiger Woods made an illegal drop. The penalty for that is not disqualification, but rather 2 strokes. That is the penalty he received. The issue of disqualification arises only if he signed an incorrect scorecard. But the scorecard he signed was correct at the time he signed it. Poster 27´s analogy is apt. Also, a new rule allows disqualification to be waived in "exceptional" circumstances, which the committee evidently believed was the case here.
A number of posters apparently believe this decision was based entirely on money, ratings, sponsorship, etc. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the Masters refused all television sponsorship and ran commercial-free on CBS in 2003 and 2004 so that neither they nor their sponsors would be pressured by groups attempting to force Augusta National to admit female members before they were ready. They do things the way they want, when they want.
There is a report that the new girlfriend´s Xhusband is the one who called in the complaint. If true, it puts the situation in a whole different light, in my opinion. The Xhusband looks like a petty jerk. Helps to explain why his wife divorced him.
The "line of sight" option would be the point from where the ball entered the hazzard straight to the flag, which in turn was a narrow difficult angle no matter how far back you elect to hit it.
"Nearest relief" was a more preferred route but Tiger wanted to better his chances and "borrowed" from both options available to achieve his eventuial, illegal drop.
If Cliff Roberts were alive today he would have waived for a cab from the convalescent home and personally DQ´d Mr. Woods right on the spot, no doubt. The Masters Tournament has been sullied by Mr. Woods and Mr,. Ridley. What a disgrace
To #59´s point, it is incumbant upon the player to realize an illegal drop was made before signing the scorecard. No such thing occured with Tiger. It´s a moot point whether he did it intentionally or not. By signing his scorecard, he attests to his exact score, and not an approximation.
If a player does not know how to take a legal drop he should not be playing tournament golf. You would think a guy who has won 14 majors would know better, but Tiger was probably running pretty hot and the competitive juices got the best of him.
Integrity is the basic foundation of tournament golf--how else is the field protected from a player who combines rulings to hit a shot from the preferred yardage?
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