There are dozens of articles hyping government purchases of ammunition over the last nine months. After spending weeks researching this topic, this is a collection of commonly held myths that are based more on panic than fact. With the recent release of a letter from the Department of Homeland Security to Senator Coburn, the numbers we calculated independently seem to corroborate the narrative coming from DHS. The concerns surrounding DHS stockpiling ammunition are nothing but more fear-mongering and largely unwarranted. For once, here are the facts to set the record straight:
Sorry Tom I don´t buy it (pun intended). DHS or any gov´t agency doesn´t need the equivalent of 20 to 28 years of ammo. They may be smart enough to realize a direct assault on our 2nd A rights won´t make it so they go for the ammo. We might have guns but such guns are useless without ammo. Besides when has this adm ever told the truth?
Go to a company like MidwayUSA which sells via the Internet. For months ammunition has been found only in trickles. Midway provides the dates when they expect ammunition to be available. In many cases it is months out. Does this sound like ammunition is being made available to suppliers in any great quantity. Somehow the supply chain has been broken. Trust this government...only at your own risk.
Although there are conflicting reports on the level of ammunition purchases by big government, there is no doubt that obama and the democrats recognize control of ammunition supplies is a key in their effort to disarm Americans. I don´t trust them. I never believe them. It is possible that ammunition companies cannot even project consumer demand for ammo. People are frightened of obama and buy all they can afford, or can, some in large speculative purchases. I see no end to the shortages. Tell me where I´m going wrong?
Reply 11 - Posted by:
Bad Dog, 4/5/2013 8:24:38 AM (No. 9260549)
Sorry. I know too much, I´ve been too conditioned, to believe anything out of this Administration.
They have proved themselves, repeatedly, time after time, over and over, to be lying liars.
Ammo is hard to find out here, unless someone´s opening a DHS Ammo Store in every major city. There has to be a reason for that.
Has anyone looked into threats or recriminations by the Govt on the ammo makers? Are they being coerced in some way, by ´´bulk´´ deals to the Govt for bonuses perhaps, to sell first and only to DHS and other Govt agencies? Surely they know there´s a backlog out here in Real America, with money coming their way as soon as they can supply it.
Something political going on in the background here.
Reply 12 - Posted by:
O.S. Banker, 4/5/2013 8:27:26 AM (No. 9260555)
Macro economics 101. Supply and Demand will counter each other until they achieve balance and stability. Now we have all seen the number of gun sales spike under Mr. Obama´ stewardship, what I haven´t heard is how any of those folks are first time gun owners. It is concieveable that a new gun owner will purchase more ammo for training purposes. Actual I would hope a new owner spends some quality time at the range. But even that spike in demand should not cause the supply chain interruptions that we are witnessing without an outside catalyst such as DHS.
I´ll take the same position as James Hansen and the Global Warming crowd do on their pet issue - okay, maybe it´s a lie, but if so its a useful lie and it still advances our cause, since most people who hear it won´t take the time to check it out. So what the heck, go with it.
hey, this works for the left, so why not us?
for everyone shouting how horrible this story is, that´s good! That´s exactly the line you should take, never admit any doubt and the meme will keep rolling.
Frankly, I know nothing about ammunition and guns. However, what gives me pause is the fact that so many of us do not trust the government to tell them the truth or work in their best interests. It´s is the adversarial attitude that Obama and his regime cultivate that is alarming. No, I don´t trust this administration and I do believe it is prudent to question everything they do.
Adding to the comments in #10 and #17, I visited Georgia Arms´ website again yesterday, and they are still running 2-9 months behind in ammunition orders. They have not been at The Nation´s Gun Show in Chantilly, VA, since at least December 2012.
These Democrat stooges have been caught lying too often to now believe anything that comes out of their mouths. Democrats are capable of anything in order to retain their power and high paying government jobs.
Well, I for one am feeling very, very troubled this morning by all the headlines.
Common sense is wonderful, and maybe all the rumors regarding the DHS stockpile are causing panic and need to be toned down. However, in my gut I am not eased, even if this DHS ammunition stockpile is a myth.
My question is: at whom will DHS be shooting the ammo they have purchased which is projected? Don´t we have a military to protect us - such as the National Guard? Will DHS be sharing this ammo with the National Guard? I doubt it.
After the 2001 when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked, it seemed sensible to have a DHS, although many questioned that need back then. It is now more a joke such as the TSA groping babies and grandmas yet letting Middle Eastern men breeze right through check in.
I don´t think the America of today would please our prescient Founders. We have devolved from the foundation they gave us. The question now is whom will we trust to rebuild what has so carelessly been torn down?
Questions: What exactly does the DHS do? Except for ICE, they must be undercover because they don´t make much of a public presence. How big is it? Is it growing? Is it morphing into Obama´s Civilian Security Force? Remember, Obama took Bush´s gun tracking operation and morphed it into F&F.
Our Founders were ABSOLUTELY against a standing army and I don´t trust this double talking administration.
I have a question. Can´t those who manufacture ammunition stop selling to the government, or is the government buying this ammo under an assumed name (as it were)? Surely those who have a vested interest in gun rights by selling to legitimate gun owners wouldn´t continue to be led like lambs to the slaughter, would they? Am I that naive?
Now do you sew why Breitbart was assassinated? Ever since his death, there have been no serious revelations he promised. The place is bought off and scared. I think others have been threatened as well. And all these great Seals dying off....can´t have people like that around. They even have the Supreme Court terrified. I do not trust this fraudulent government.
Seems it would be easy for the ammo manufacturers to show what government agencies have purchased ammo the past year but privacy laws probably prevent them from doing so. But hem again, it is our tax dollars so we should be able to see where it is being spent.
Read the article. Buying ammo over a 5 year period is still buying the ammo. Do they need that much? Sorry, I don´t buy their innocence or trying to save money. Since when does Government care about spending money. And since when has ICE used ammo in that amounts.
Reply 39 - Posted by:
J F Ackerman, 4/5/2013 11:30:36 AM (No. 9261016)
I would still like to see an article devoted exclusively to interviews done with all the major ammunition manufacturers. They are the only sources who have the inside information that would shed some useful light on this situation.
If this is a buying pattern set up in contracts how come there were no shortages before? I´m not buying this one. This was Obama´s plan all along.
Who is this ´civilan force´? Are there people who would blindly follow Obama´s orders, with the exception of the New Black Panters and other black radicals, to shoot fellow Americans? If this is so maybe we should try to penetrate and find this DHS ´civilian force´ and seek defunding but that´s dreaming with these jello spined Republicans.
On the optomistic side if there´s confrontation by armed individuals take the dead enemies ammo it will be the same as yours. And, if and when this regime is finished there will be a flood of ammunition on the market for a bargain. Fear not the truth will be known.
I´ve dug into this topic, myself. In some cases the numbers add up to trainng and a couple of magzines of ammo for each armed guard. With enough armed guards, pretty soon you´re talking about a couple of million rounds of ammo per year, if not much, much more. In many other cases? That´s *way* too much ammo for mere training and a couple of full mags, even if you spread the dates of delivery over a few years. Why do they need so much ammo??
The more important question is being overlooked: why do so many of those agencies and departments have armed guards in the first place? Many of those departments have their own tactical (SWAT) teams. TSA, DHS, FBI and such? Yeah. I cnsee that. The NEA, Ag, and the rest? WTH?
Like many others here, there is much about this article that I´m not buying. For example, police officers DO NOT use 2k to 5k rounds per year. Not even close. My brother-in-law was a police officer on he San Francisco force for 25yrs. They had to re-qualify twice a year. And they only used, I think, about 50 rounds. And in the military I served in, we requalified once per year and used only 60 rounds. And 10 of those was used to set the sights.
And another thing. If the ammo shortage has been caused by the uptick in the sales of guns, does anyone think that ammo manufacturers wouldn´t notice that and begin to increase the amount of ammo produced to keep up with the demand? It´s a very poor head of a business that wouldn´t do so. No, the shortage has to be cause by something else./rant
Folks, I´m going to be the odd man out here. I believe the shortage is caused by hoarding by folks just like me. I´m a right wing gun nut and I can tell you I own 10 times the ammo I did previous to this administration. I have friends who have bought entire pallet loads of ammo and stored them in secret and secure places. One fellow I know spent $6,000 internet shopping for ammo in one afternoon. The ammo manufacturers have been interviewed and they are all saying the same thing. Government sales represent about 5% of their sales, the rest is us filling up our closets and basements. I have no problem with that as the owner of more then 3,000 rounds of 7.62 AK ammo.
I´m with you all the way, #50. I also chose the weapons that use 7.62 x 39 because it´s in worldwide use and will be easy to get later when US suppliers are shut down.
It´s no coincidence that these events are happening simultaneously: Ammunition is in short supply and people are hoarding, some for potential profit later. The United Nations is attempting world gun control and property theft more seriously than it ever has in the past. Obama is spending almost all of his non-golf time on gun control and 2nd Amendment attacks when those are not nearly the most serious problems America has right now.
I think the US Government is anticipating mass revolt when they begin some highly unpopular action soon. Obamacare? Retirement fund confiscation? Unrestricted amnesty? Any one of those can set off a population that is already highly agitated. Oh, and the way he has treated the US Military, they can not be counted upon for total loyalty to the government when they are ordered to fire upon their neighbors. He needs his own government goon force.
The ubiquitous government lies and hoarding aside, here is a question I have never seen answered or even asked: if ammo is selling like hotcakes, and demand is insatiable...why the heck are there no NEW ammo manufacture startups? It seems hard to imagine a more secure investment. Is the regime also restricting that?
Here´s another "myth" and "fact" for the author to consider:
Myth: DHS Secretary Napolitano is responsible to the citizens of the United States, and is required by law to answer to questions posed by Members of Congress, who are equally responsible for providing oversight of the Executive Branch (of which Napolitano is a member, given her position in the Obama administration).
Fact: DHS Secretary Napolitano has repeatedly ignored and obfuscated the requests by certain Members of Congress when questioned about the immense orders of ammunition. In short, she´s thumbing her prodigious nose at the US Constitution and the American public.
The calibers being ordered by DHS are high in 40 caliber hollow points. Any thinking person knows (or can easily find out) that hollow point bullets are much more expensive than the ´hardball´ (full metal jacket) equivalent. For Napolitano to say that it´s a cost-saving measure is an insult, and nothing more.
The arrogance and questionable practices being undertaken by the Obama administration have gone on for far too long, and something needs to be done about it. Where is our Congress with their power to subpoena or to provide a special prosecutor?
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