THE MODEL girlfriend of Olympic hero Oscar Pistorius spent her final minutes cowering behind a bathroom door after a late-night fight with her gun-loving boyfriend. The internationally acclaimed double-amputee sprinter pumped four bullets through the door and into the helpless blond beauty, a neighbor told a South African newspaper. Details of the Valentine’s Day murder emerged as Pistorius sobbed inside a South African courtroom before prosecutors alleged the shooting of Reeva Steenkamp was a cold-blooded killing.
Early days, as the Brits say. Too early to tell just what did happen here.
But how do the neighbors know so much, from having heard arguing to now being able to describe the bathroom door and how she was shot? These are very large houses, set apart on large lots. ???
As for the comment from the disgruntled woman who dated him before he moved on to this woman, nothing she says hasn´t been said about some man at some point by a woman who has been dropped by him. "He was a player." And some women go after famous men. And "he is not what he seems" may be the most poisonous comment one can make. How to prove that one actually is what one eems?
I can wait for more details from appropriate sources.
The gun is not the problem the man is the problem. She was cornered in the bathroom. I have a feeling she was going to end up dead even if he didn´t have the gun. Strangle her, stab her, beat her to death. It´s called domestic violence for a reason. He appears to be a violent man and he was not going to let her leave alive. It will be easy enough to prove that he shot the gun. He certainly was not in fear for his life so what will he say? She was going to scratch my eyes out and I had to defend myself. Four shots through a bathroom door are pretty damning.
Reply 4 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/16/2013 6:38:37 AM (No. 9179388) My guess is his prized white woman was getting ready to leave him. Seeing as Pistorius is also a white South African, I´m not sure I understand your comment.
The Daily News has taken a neighbor´s "report", which even NBC says is "unverified", of her having been shot through a bathroom door and expanded it into her having "fled to bathroom". That little gem is nowhere else.
We need to slow down. For people who purportedly love the "innocent until proven guilty" law under which we and few others in the world live, some of us love to rush to judgment.
I am sure she just stood there silently taking the four shots and didn´t scream out... He must be deaf too.... He probably was pandered to his whole life and how dare she argue with him.. I know how I am betting..
If the neighbor is the sole source of info. here (where she was shot, arguing, etc.), I´m going to wait until LE investigators share what they know. If what´s alleged turns out to be true, this guy´s scum.
A lot of sick people are attracted to these threads. Bad jokes about amputees are not funny no matter what the context.
That said, the scale of these houses, which are built staggered and offset down a street, makes them anything but "built cheek by jowl". Look at the size of the cars relative to the sizes of the houses. There is a lot of space between those houses.
And those are undoubtedly double-paned windows. Did this couple argue in front of an open window so that the neighbors could hear it? And from which side of that bathroom door were the shots fired? Was he in the bathroom with the door closed?
No forced entry? She undoubtedly had a key. Did she leave and then return, planning to surprise him?
There are too many unanswered questions for us to get ready to hang this man.
There are three off-white houses in a row center right, facing the aerial camera. His is the one on the right of this row, the house that is cocked on an angle. There is a white house to its right. The other house lot that abuts on his property faces another street and its back is toward his house. It has a red roof.
Not "cheek by jowl" by any stretch of the imagination. These are big houses on good-sized lots.
If you read this story and your first thought is to decry people making jokes about the killer, you´re probably not as morally astute as you think you are. If your second thought is to work out all the ways the guy who shot his girlfriend might be innocent, you´re probably not astute at all. "Presumption of innocence" does not mean "wilful and total suspension of disbelief."
Assume, ridiculously, that he doesn´t know who is in the house, and that at no time does he call out to challenge a possible intruder, and that at no time does she say anything to let him know who she is. They somehow proceed silently to positions where she is in the bathroom and he is outside the door. The door is closed. He is, therefore, in no immediate danger. Yet, without either party trying to speak, he takes out his gun and shoots through the door multiple times, and she dies instantly and silently, without ever making a sound to let him know who she is.
If that all sounds plausible to you, please decline to ever serve on a jury.
I dunno, #28/31 -- for such large houses, they look pretty tightly juxtaposed to me. Don´t really know what happened here until the facts emerge. But I think that his shooting through the closed bathroom door four times, following a fight loud enough for a neighbor to call the police, undermines any claim of mistaken identity.
I don´t understand why everyone is so quick to believe that the neighbor could possibly know anything for certain. The police plainly said that only the two of them were in the house (no neighbor present). All this "judgment" is making this thread look worse than Evening News.
For me, the moral of the story is that even people who appear admirable --like those have triumphed over terrible adversity-- are not necessarily good persons, or even persons we should heed unquestioningly.
We´re often presented with someone who has suffered some devastating loss, and then are lectured that we can´t question that person´s "moral authority."
Other examples of this phenomenon: Max Cleland, who lost his legs in Vietnam ... then became a liberal politician whom we were not allowed to criticize; and Elie Wiesel; and Cindy Sheehan; and Gabby Giffords.
#39 -- I took #34´s comment as a thought experiment which raised entirely reasonable points. I don´t think it was presented as knowing the specifics of this case, but rather it challenged those who are straining to explain the known facts as exculpatory.
Your own remark -- "One question that comes to mind is how a victim would call out if they were shot with four sequential shots through a (presumably closed) door, one shot going to the head?" does exactly that. It´s not a stretch to presume that bullet holes through the door meant that the door was closed. Of course, if she was already dead, she couldn´t have responded. But, if he knew she was in the house, surely he would have established her whereabouts by calling out to her before shooting through a closed bathroom door.
It remains to be seen what actually happened, but a claim of mistaken identity simply isn´t credible.
I doubt the 1st shot was to the head...the rest to a finger and etc. She had to scream...could she not scream even if the headshot was 1st? I may have been born at night but it sure as heck wasn´t last night... I still know how I am betting... Sounds like he had a nasty temper and the story did say the cops were out there earlier did it not?
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