Deputies did not intentionally burn down the Southern California mountain cabin where fugitive Christopher Dorner apparently made his deadly last stand Tuesday, the San Bernardino County sheriff said Wednesday. "We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out," Sheriff John McMahon said at an afternoon news conference. He said deputies initially fired conventional "cold" tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to "pyrotechnic-type" rounds" known as "burners." Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the
Comments: *Chris Woodyard and Michael Winter. With William M. Welch and John Bacon. Why not?
Words like, "Burn down the [M F´er]" are heard several times on the police scanner. The place caught fire instantly when they used the "burners". If he had hundreds or thousands of pounds of ammo, then we might believe this immediate fire was possible. Sorry folks, they are lying.
Dormer was evil, but the cops used the Waco, Texas solution, and that is scary.
"Authorities have strong evidence that the man deputies tracked to the vacation cabin looked and behaved like Dorner."
So much for being sure of one´s target... what will they say if it were determined that this WASN´T Dorner? I realize that in all likelihood it is Dorner, but for crying out loud, what a thing to say! That the guy in the cabin "looked and behaved" like him, so what the heck, ´Break out the MP5, boys! Send in the tear gas!´ Sheesh.
I can usually tell when the "Authorities" are not telling the truth, the whole truth. they are not telling the whole truth on this one, at all! Why? A: They are terribly afraid of this case. The "Dorner Monster" scared them, embarrassed the administration in it´s try for destruction of individual 2nd amendment rights, and the LA cops behavior of shooting the two news paper delivery women was just an outrage of amateurish skittishness. In addition, the cops had a direct hand in creating Dorner´s Rampage! Another similar example is the East Hollywood shootout, LA cops left a whole lot unexplained after that disaster which they have not answered for to this very day. This one is going to be swept quickly under the rug as well. Watch how little we hear of it from now on. Case closed- they hope.
Careful #1, not Waco, Texas solution but Reno/Clinton Show. Waco, Texas had nothing to do with the burning down of the Davidian Branch. It is all on Janet Reno and Bill Clinton. And yeah...when you announce over the radio "Burn the M*&&^& F*&*&^& down" and then lob in incendiary devices...yeah that was your intent. Any officer trained in SWAT or Warrant Division knows when you toss those things, there is a better than 50/50 chance something is going up in flames due to environment.
Good gosh look at the innocent people these cops fired on by mistake. Three other people were almost killed by police. They never intended to take him alive. I´m as much a law and order supporter as most conservatives, but there are plenty of dirty cops and Police Departments in Southern California are full of them.
Between the last election and now the Dorner apologist and conspiracy wackos I have become truly disgusted with people. #2 I LIVE in Fullerton,and I trust them more than the whack jobs in the White House.
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Random Noise, 2/14/2013 1:51:03 AM (No. 9175324)
Here is a link to LAPD documents re Dormers initial BOR and his subsequent legal efforts to have his dismissal from LAPD reversed. Lots of interesting tidbits. http://themadmanchronicles.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorners-long-history-of-complaints-against-the-lapd-public-documents-released/
The spin from the police spokespeople is distressing. Everyone remember what the authorities said LIVE on TV last Thursday? I do. The reporters asked if the Big Bear ski area would be SAFE for the weekend. They had received a good storm and ski resort surely needed the business. Well, he said ALL areas around the ski runs were perfectly safe. How could he say that. Public safety first my foot. Everyone is fortunate Dorner didn´t decide to go "hunting" skiers. How can they say there was no "intent" when we heard the scanner?
Here is an interesting article on the home - considerably larger than a "cabin" - where Dorner holed up. It was built by Bill Glass´s father after he returned from WWI, it was their family home, and he was raised in it. It would have been a lovely place for a boy to grow up.
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Old Army Vet, 2/14/2013 11:16:02 AM (No. 9176014)
May not have been the intent but is sure did help.
The difference between the military in a war and the police enforcing the laws is that the military immediately kills their opponents, no discussion. Theoretically, police arrest people, gather facts and turn this over to prosecutors to have courts decide guilt or innocence and punishment, if warranted.
As the police have more and more SWAT teams, they are steadily crossing into military behavior. This needs to be strenuously resisted. Dorner should have been waited out, or shot if he continued to shoot at them, but the concept of the police deciding on summary execution in cold blood should be chilling to all of us. They knew the incendiary gas rounds were very likely to burn down the building.
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