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Doctor Jill Biden
National Review Online, by Jonah Goldberg

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 2/13/2013 12:43:34 PM

Last night on Twitter I commented that I think that the rote insistence that Jill Biden be referred to “Doctor Jill Biden” is kind of silly (that’s how President Obama referred to her). This elicited a remarkable amount of anger. I then made things worse by explaining that Jill Biden isn’t a “real” doctor. She holds a doctorate in education. That invited even more bile. Some came from academics who insist that the title “Doctor” is commonplace on American campuses, even for people with doctorates in education, and therefore there’s nothing wrong with the president’s use

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Where did I get the idea she is a pediatrician?

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: lil dotty, 2/13/2013 12:52:39 PM     (No. 9174210)

Op, easy she loves children so much. Didn´t she marry one who obviously needs to be closely parented?

Jonah, podiatrists are not ´real´ doctors either, according to Seinfeld.



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Reply 2 - Posted by: earlybird, 2/13/2013 12:58:22 PM     (No. 9174223)

As Jonah says, it is vanity to use these honorifics off campus - or overweening fawning by the person who uses them.

This is a pathetic feminist ploy, indulged in by a woman who wouldn´t need to do it if she were more sure of herself and her value.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: WyoEagle, 2/13/2013 1:03:17 PM     (No. 9174231)

My wife is a real doctor who endured 12 years of education and very longs hours to become one. I agree with Jonah.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Grady, 2/13/2013 1:10:40 PM     (No. 9174241)

Going to Mrs. Biden for a medical issue would be like going
to Obama looking for Presidential leadership.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: jerseyden, 2/13/2013 1:11:09 PM     (No. 9174242)

Only the elite academia worry about such things. Most people working in the real world think it´s quaint these non medical doctors appoint themselves this title. Maybe we should start calling plumbers and elections House Doctors.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Bevan, 2/13/2013 1:11:29 PM     (No. 9174244)

Liberals are the most status conscious egaltarians on the planet.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: dbdiva, 2/13/2013 1:12:37 PM     (No. 9174246)

Perhaps I missed it but the column didn´t state that Jill was insisting on the honorific but that others in academia were.
However...If I were Jill I would insist upon being called by my maiden name. I would not care if I were addressed as ´Doctor´ or not.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Susannah, 2/13/2013 1:12:49 PM     (No. 9174247)

In my experience, people with Ph.D.s in legitimate subjects don´t insist on being called "doctor." They don´t even use the term "doctor" in reference to themselves.

On the other hand, people with Ed.Ds INSIST on being called "doctor."

Jonah´s right.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sternben, 2/13/2013 1:14:12 PM     (No. 9174252)

This reminds me of the question, what does a doctor of mathematics do? He treats irrational numbers.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 2/13/2013 1:18:01 PM     (No. 9174261)

Vanity, vanity. I have an academic ´doctor´ cousin who puts it on all his correspondence even to friends. He is long retired and never taught his subject. He doesn´t have a clue that this is amusing to the rest of the family.

My personal physician signs his emails to me from ´Dave´. I think most real doctors are aware of their worth and don´t need the honorific in social situations.

And have you noticed that MLK is almost always referred as ´Doctor King´ by the media in an attempt to enhance his standing. They never, of course, mention that he plaigarized his doctorate thesis to get the title.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/13/2013 1:19:48 PM     (No. 9174267)

My favorite is "Reverend Doctor".

That´s when I know it´s time to hide the silverware.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Citizen Plain, 2/13/2013 1:25:25 PM     (No. 9174277)

Doctorate in education should be outlawed: there is no core discipline. These are the schmucks who have wrecked k-12, and turned colleges into commie hives

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Reply 13 - Posted by: starboard, 2/13/2013 1:26:39 PM     (No. 9174279)

People who are accomplished and are secure with individuals usually never broadcast their education credentials. But when you are married to Joe Biden, perhaps you have to preface your name with a title.

I agree with Jonah.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: JudithC, 2/13/2013 1:32:55 PM     (No. 9174292)

If I were in the room with you, Jonah, I´d bend the knee and then lead a standing ovation for you. Every word is point on. No one with an IQ that cracks 65 would want to call attention to the fact that he or she held a doctorate in education and use the "doctor" to impress the lumpen proletariat.

The first night that I was seated as a member of a very large Board of Education the overweening university professor in a well known prestigious liberal arts college who held a doctorate in education introduced himself—right after he insulted me. I can still seen this pompous little man standing there complete with his thin beard, de rigeur glasses, bow tie, , sallow skin, and professorially superior attitude as his pulled himself up and said, "I don´t believe I´ve met you. I´m doctor Sager (with heavy emphasis on doctor). Then, with Obama like hubris, he stood and waited to let that credential intended to impress and bowl me over sink in and waited for my reply. I answered, "Doctor? Doctor of what?" He looked as though he couldn´t believe what he was hearing and then with an increased emphasis on doctor said, "doctor of education!" I paused a few seconds and then did my best to make it appear as though I felt badly to hear that as I leaned over and patted his forearm and said, " that´s okay...your secret´s safe with me."



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Reply 15 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 2/13/2013 1:32:57 PM     (No. 9174293)

The Ph.Ds I know look at the Ed.D degree as a joke because at many institutions they are handed out to anyone who can afford the tuition. The degree exists for the sole purpose of overpaying third rate public school teachers. The first rate teachers opt for an advanced degree in the subject matter they will be teaching.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: roger h. cook,MD, 2/13/2013 1:33:18 PM     (No. 9174295)

Maybe she needs this to impress people and maybe her ego needs boosting, you would´d her to say she is Bidens daughter or she is a democrat ,ah giver her a break!

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Reply 17 - Posted by: zoidberg, 2/13/2013 1:37:31 PM     (No. 9174308)

A cousin of mine is a retired professor (political science) and always threw his honorific around. It amused us.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: harpoon4, 2/13/2013 1:38:36 PM     (No. 9174310)

James Counsilman (Mark Spitz´ coach at Indiana U had the doctorate. He was lovingly referred to as "Doc" Counsilman but it was never taked seriously.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Flybynight, 2/13/2013 1:41:51 PM     (No. 9174317)

I asked my great uncle, a renowned economist, whether I should introduce himto my young adult friends as Dr. X or Professor X. He replied with his gentle smile, "My deah, in this field the doctorate goes without saying, and not calling attention to it saves no end of ´organ recitals´ by those who mistake me for a physician."

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Reply 20 - Posted by: msjena, 2/13/2013 1:44:32 PM     (No. 9174325)

PhD degrees can be a joke,too. I think it depends on the school and the program. A Harvard Ed.D. is probably more legitimate than one from some other institutions.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Whamdbambam, 2/13/2013 1:59:48 PM     (No. 9174358)

Funny, I´d thought her a Doctor of Thinkology.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: ramona, 2/13/2013 2:00:47 PM     (No. 9174359)

Except for my students, only my dad called me "Doctor." And yes, there is a great difference between an EdD. and a Ph.D. An Ed.D. typically is earned by a practitioner who is not interested in pursuing further research or becoming faculty member at a college or university.

But there is also a vast difference in what leads to a Ph.D. in social sciences in general, depending on the quality and integrity of the people running those programs. I´ve read dissertations that passed elsewhere but would not have qualified for a master´s level term paper at top-notch institutions. Mrs. Biden should, at the least, blush when someone refers to her as "Dr."
Ramona (the Pest)

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Reply 23 - Posted by: maggie2u, 2/13/2013 2:05:08 PM     (No. 9174368)

My son-in-law is a chemical engineer and does not like it when anyone refers to him as ´doctor.´
A few years ago, I was at a party and had the most interesting conversation with an older gentleman about just things. Nothing specific, just had a good time. it wasn´t until a few weeks later when I asked my son about this man and I found out that he had a Ph.D in physics and taught at a University in Texas. He was just an interesting person to chat with and never gave a hint about his eduction or degree.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Jloophole, 2/13/2013 2:17:45 PM     (No. 9174394)

A perfect match for the man who has a US senate seal above a fireplace in his house. Just in case you thought they were hoi polloi, this separates them from the commoners.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Father of Internet, 2/13/2013 2:20:32 PM     (No. 9174400)

Perhaps she´s a Time Lady from Gallifrey! Double Standard again - Lynn Cheney, they were more likely to refer to as Mrs. Doctor Evil.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: rtwngprof, 2/13/2013 2:21:14 PM     (No. 9174401)

I have a Ph.D. I never use the title "Doctor" outside of my professional status. However, calling an M.D. a "real doctor" rankles me, because the Ph.D. is by far the older degree.

Ph.D.´s were writing, researching, and teaching in the great universities of Europe when "real doctors" were still giving haircuts and bleeding people. "Doctor" is an academic degree, not limited to the healing professions; they are more correctly called physicians.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Delilah, 2/13/2013 2:21:59 PM     (No. 9174402)

I have friends and family with PhD´s and the first time I wrote them after they aquired them I used the title Dr. jokingly and never after that and they never objected. Jill is a twit of the first order.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Cat Ballou, 2/13/2013 2:36:51 PM     (No. 9174430)

Well #26, I think most of us common folk have an idea of what a doctor is, & could care less about the others. You say doctor to me, I think of a doctor. What happens in academia & what they call themselves really has nothing to do with the ever day real world. If Biden´s wife wants to look silly, let her, I´m sure no one will make the mistake of asking her for a diagnosis.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Felixcat, 2/13/2013 2:42:47 PM     (No. 9174438)

As her husband Joe might say: "BFD."

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/13/2013 3:00:24 PM     (No. 9174468)

I have a Juris Doctor degree. You should hear some of the things I get called.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Rafter, 2/13/2013 3:02:07 PM     (No. 9174469)

#26 makes excellent points.

My dad had a Ph.D. from Harvard and professionally was "Doctor X."
He was a department chairman and later university vice-president.
Some people called him "Doc" or "Doctor" for fun, and he was well liked.
But other than job-related, he just used his name.

We have an M.D. in the family, and I worked for years for an M.D.
They are not "real" doctors.
Lots of pursuits have doctors in the profession... chiropractors, scientists in many fields, etc.
Some physicians are D.O.´s, not M.D.´s.

It is widely recognized that the "Education" field is lame and deficient
in a number of ways.
Not trying to insult Bill Cosby, but education departments are often weak.



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Reply 32 - Posted by: lakerman1, 2/13/2013 3:12:49 PM     (No. 9174488)

I am the holder of a Ph.D., from the best university in the world for my major concentration. And I have noticed, over the years, that the people who address me as ´Doctor´ seem to do it to make themselves feel good.
The origin of the word ´doctor´ is ´docere´ which means to teach.
Finally, in my opinion, the doctor of education degree is nearly at the bottom of the academic totem pole.The only degree lower is the doctorate in ´leadership´ (whatever that is.)

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Reply 33 - Posted by: pickle1, 2/13/2013 3:14:42 PM     (No. 9174492)

She is not a medical doctor. I have only run across in my lifetime one like her who insisted on being called Dr. It´s even on his driver´s license.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: lawabidingcitizen, 2/13/2013 3:18:59 PM     (No. 9174502)

In the academic world, where doctorates are the rule, only M.D.s and those with Ph.D´s in education call themselves doctor. The latter are the objects of derision, but most are too simple-minded to realize it.

Some older professors, especially emeriti, might be also addressed as doctor by younger faculty as a sign of respect.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 2/13/2013 3:29:23 PM     (No. 9174521)

My loathing of the Biden´s is already maxed out.

Jill demanding she be called Dr. Biden doesn´t really change my opinion of her.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: mrdj, 2/13/2013 3:43:16 PM     (No. 9174549)

Here in LA the media often refers to the owner of the Lakers as Dr. Jerry Buss. I don´t know how it got started, but at least it´s a Ph.D. in chemistry and he was on the faculty at USC.



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Reply 37 - Posted by: navybrat, 2/13/2013 3:58:41 PM     (No. 9174579)

She is blonde and plugs is an airhead. Enough said.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: krause, 2/13/2013 4:01:43 PM     (No. 9174582)

The left love academia as they are not destined for the hated business world. So they stay in school until there 30´s looking for a university or government job, or one in the unions, a non-profit, or for a lefty think tank.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: phillyred, 2/13/2013 4:04:16 PM     (No. 9174592)

This drives me nuts! Come up with a different title. When I yell doctor, I want an MD, not an expert in English Literature. I´ll never forget going to my son´s back-to-school open house and one of the parents of a kid in his class corrected the teacher with "Doctor..." when she called him "Mr...." Pure freaking arrogance. Of course he is a big liberal Obama supporter.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/13/2013 4:28:27 PM     (No. 9174634)

Okay, that does it... I am 4Justice, MBA from now on!!

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Reply 41 - Posted by: jkcinsalem, 2/13/2013 4:43:21 PM     (No. 9174665)

BO. addresses Mrs. Biden that way because her husband is on record, insisting that it be used when addressing or referencing her. I remember reading that years ago, on this news forum.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: veritas, 2/13/2013 4:50:43 PM     (No. 9174678)

It´s my understanding that Ed school students have the highest GPAs and lowest SATs of any college in a University.

How about that?

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Reply 43 - Posted by: TXknitter, 2/13/2013 5:04:53 PM     (No. 9174695)

#7, oh it´s coming from her office alright. I heard Brian Williams himself say it way back during the early days in 2009. I listened and remembered that.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: EmilioCavaradosi, 2/13/2013 8:34:03 PM     (No. 9175005)

There is an inverted snobbery. Professors at Ivy league universities never use "Doctor" to one another. It is presumed that they have the degree; they are very careful to refer to one another as "Mister." At lesser institutions, where many of the faculty may not have the degree,faculty often insist on being called "Doctor." Ph.D.s working in business or government frequently use the title because it impresses "the suits." Personally, I only use it when I´m in a hospital because "turnabout is fair play" and it sometimes makes the staff a little more careful.

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President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

Biden Tells Boston Bombing
Survivors, ´It Was Worth It´ (Video)

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Breitbart´s Instablog, by Debra Heine    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 9:28:18 PM     Post Reply
Less than a minute into his speech at the Boston marathon bombing memorial on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden went tragically off script and told the crowd of Boston bombing survivors that "it was worth it." After expressing how impressed he was with the tribute, he said somberly, "let me say to those ´quote survivors,´ my God, you have survived and you have soared. It was worth it. I mean this sincerely - just to hear each of you speak. You´re truly, truly inspiring." The audience sat in stunned silence until Biden declared, "I´ve never heard anything so beautiful than

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Casual marijuana use linked with
brain abnormalities, study finds

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Fox News, by Loren Grush    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 6:12:53 PM     Post Reply
Casual marijuana use may come with some not-so-casual side effects. For the first time ever, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures. The study’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development. Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K


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