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Lobsters, crabs feel pain, scientists say
Discovery News, by Jennifer Viegas
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Posted By:LittleHoodedMonk, 1/17/2013 4:59:02 PM
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| Shellfish such as crabs, lobsters and shrimp feel pain, suggests a new study that calls into question how food and aquaculture industries treat these animals. Researchers have suspected for some time that live lobsters dunked into boiling water and rubber-banded crustaceans stored in crowded fish market tanks experience tremendous pain. Discovery News reported on that some years back. But it’s always a challenge for scientists to prove conclusively that a non-human is feeling pain. “On a philosophical point, it is impossible to demonstrate absolutely that an animal experiences pain,” researcher
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Comments: Here´s one more thing for Mayor Bloomberg to go after, the unethical dunking of lobsters in hot water, or is that the butter to eat them? Chef Gordon Ramsey will not be amused.
I made a recording off PBS awhile back where they showed that you could "kill" and flash cook a lobster in five minutes or so. It was fun [grisly] to hear chef explain moving parts removed from heat was "normal."
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
crate, 1/17/2013 5:08:15 PM (No. 9122783)
still not enough for me to stop hurting them.....
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
GOPJihad, 1/17/2013 5:10:20 PM (No. 9122785)
Too bad they won´t publicize the pain children in the womb feel.
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Coy860, 1/17/2013 5:11:04 PM (No. 9122788)
Next time I boil a lobster, I will put it in the water head first, so I can´t hear it scream.
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
4Justice, 1/17/2013 5:13:25 PM (No. 9122793)
I never cared for the practice of boiling the poor things alive. Of course they feel pain. Every living thing that has nerves feel pain. But I highly doubt that being in a crowded fish tank causes "tremendous" pain as they said. Boiling, however, is another matter.
The thing is...some animals eat other animals alive. Often it is those creatures that live under water who engage in that behavior the most. So, what is worse, getting boiled to death or being eating one bite at a time to death?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
JHSMom02, 1/17/2013 5:24:15 PM (No. 9122810)
This little Cajun lady feels their pain. I feel the pain of those poor boiled blue crabs, those poor boiled Gulf shrimp, and those poor boiled wild caught or farm raised crawfish. So in the future, I will take an aspirin before boiling said crustaceans, so I don´t feel their pain. Seriously, are we not to get any flesh? All creatures that appear on the dinner table have nerves, and, therefore, may feel pain when being prepared for food. I like veggies, but, don´t take away my crawfish or you will be the next one who feels pain.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
Emmajustin, 1/17/2013 5:25:57 PM (No. 9122813)
I stopped eating meat about 20 years ago---anything with a cute face. Luckily fish and seafood don´t have cute faces so I still eat that.
I do though wish no animal felt pain.
The Bible tells me God put animals on earth for us to eat. My brother tells me that if God didn´t want us to eat steak he wouldn´t have made it taste so good. I figure God must know what he is doing. But I still wish it didn´t hurt the animals.
I´ll bet PETA gets all whacked out about this study but can´t find any reason to care about the slaughter of babies in the womb and how much pain they feel.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Nodak, 1/17/2013 5:31:54 PM (No. 9122828)
I never eat anything that is smarter than I am. Guess the PETA types have a pretty limited diet. Hope they like turnips.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
GraniteBayTom, 1/17/2013 5:34:31 PM (No. 9122835)
I want to see a "study" about the pain felt by human beings at 12 weeks or more when they are aborted. I´m not holding my breath. NEVER have I seen any study like this.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
thewarden, 1/17/2013 5:37:16 PM (No. 9122841)
Put some melted butter on it...
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Miss Ann Thrope, 1/17/2013 5:41:30 PM (No. 9122843)
Pain is the first indication an organism has that SOMETHING BAD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO IT!
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
GomerShabazz, 1/17/2013 5:45:02 PM (No. 9122849)
New York Law:
No eating of crab dip while watching Pro Football.
Allowed:
Tofu while listening to Obama speeches on the Lenin station.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
Grambo, 1/17/2013 5:58:49 PM (No. 9122877)
#7, I have friends who are turnips, and PETA is no turnip. With due respect.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Rafter, 1/17/2013 6:03:25 PM (No. 9122884)
As BillyBoob Klintoon said to his crabs... "I feel... your pain... OMG!"
The proper solution for fresh lobsters in NYC is as follows...
Soak them first in 32 ounces of soda, preferably Dr. Pepper. This will kill them in short order, but it´s kind of a sweet way to go.
And then the Dr. Pepper makes them taste so much better. And once they´re dead, lots of butter won´t hurt them at all. Tastes good. MMMMmmmm...
Tweet photos of your dinner to Mayor Bloomberg... as a keepsake.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
mominNoCA, 1/17/2013 6:05:01 PM (No. 9122887)
So do 20-week-old human fetuses, according to research in Great Britain, where abortion is legal but not politicized the way it is here.
Anyway, no one talks about that here in the US, lest it "upset women" or drive business away from Planned Parenthood. Doctors here know which side their bread´s buttered on.
No one has that much invested in shellfish (well, maybe PETA), though, so it´s a safe topic for American researchers.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Udanja99, 1/17/2013 6:06:34 PM (No. 9122889)
The best and most humane way to deal with a lobster prior to cooking is to sever its spinal cord with a knife. Instant death, no pain. Any reputable seafood cookbook shows how to do it.
I love animals as much as the next person but I also know that humans are natural carnivores and predators. That´s why we have eyes on the front of our heads - for hunting. Natural vegetarians have eyes on the sides of their heads - to avoid the hunters.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
Words have Meaning, 1/17/2013 6:08:22 PM (No. 9122893)
Does a baby about to get his spinal cord cut or his head squished in a late term abortion feel pain?
You libs are pathetic.
Instead of putting the lobster in boiling water, I will split their tail and put them in my 500 degree broiler. There, problem solved.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
HPmatt, 1/17/2013 6:10:40 PM (No. 9122898)
I only eat Frozen shrimp, and thaw them in tepid water - that way they won´t feel pain. Lobsters I eat in a nice, warm, cozy roll with warm butter drizzled on top - they have to like that.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
preciosodrogas, 1/17/2013 6:17:57 PM (No. 9122913)
I always tell the poor little things that if they feel too uncomfortable just let me know and I´ll stop. Never had one ask me to stop. You start down this road and your diet may be limited to roots and nuts. I understand there are studies indicating plants also feel pain. In faith, enjoy the gifts of food God have given us... and I ignore those who think they know better.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Achilles, 1/17/2013 6:18:50 PM (No. 9122917)
This study only increases the value of crabs and lobsters in Japan.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
leftcoastmom, 1/17/2013 6:23:17 PM (No. 9122927)
Shellfish were put in the sea by GOD so we could cook, crack, smother in butter and EAT them! Nuff said.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
formerNYer, 1/17/2013 6:34:13 PM (No. 9122952)
Last time I dipped my lobster in butter I thought I heard something.
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
SoCalGal, 1/17/2013 6:51:35 PM (No. 9122986)
Tell Moochelle.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
Chuzzles, 1/17/2013 7:04:13 PM (No. 9123016)
I suspect that one of the reasons I have never enjoyed shellfish is due to the fact that it always seemed cruel to me to toss them into boiling water while still alive. Can´t eat rabbit either, too cute. Other than that I am a founding member of the other PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
reilly, 1/17/2013 7:04:42 PM (No. 9123017)
Lobsters have their bones on the outside. They taste a lot better red than green. Put them in the boiling water head first. And call it a day.
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
St. Pitbull, 1/17/2013 7:27:56 PM (No. 9123041)
#6 - I´m kinda with you. I´m an animal lover - but I still am a carnivore. I want the entire life chain of an animal to be pain free - even if it is ended prematurely and ends up on my plate. Never could understand why anyone would want anything to be in needless pain.
I also enjoy good jokes - which many here have done. I don´t get upset.
And finally, why is it so apparent to just conservatives - how no liberal is smart enough to take this argument to abortion? I am ashamed of human beings who supposedly have intelligence but can´t grasp this simple fact that we are intentionally hurting babies. This is truly unconscionable.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
tnorling, 1/17/2013 7:54:33 PM (No. 9123091)
Actually, they seem to enjoy being placed in tepid water and being slowly brought to boil. Never a complaint. Also, a quick knife thrust just behind the "head" will sever the nerve and cause instantaneous death.
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
Republic Can, 1/17/2013 7:58:07 PM (No. 9123095)
Never let it be said us conservatives are not swollen with empathy for our fellow creatures. LMAO
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
redwhite&blue2, 1/17/2013 8:06:39 PM (No. 9123116)
Hey, Jennifer Viegas, whoever you are at whatever "Discovery" news is, the only "tremendous pain" felt here is trying to read through this crap people like you are so dramatically scribbling for your daily bread. Three words for you, young lady: GET A LIFE!
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
Udanja99, 1/17/2013 8:18:31 PM (No. 9123138)
I wonder how many vegetarians know about the large number of cute furry animals, like bunnies, which are killed by machines used to harvest veggies. If they want to be true to their cause they should only buy veggies which have been hand picked at great cost, IOW, put your money where your mouth is.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
Nashman, 1/17/2013 8:20:22 PM (No. 9123143)
Thank you all for the great jokes...
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
dvc, 1/17/2013 8:21:48 PM (No. 9123146)
So?
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
stevendm, 1/17/2013 8:35:51 PM (No. 9123169)
Someone should write a "study" that proves that celery and lettuce feel pain when they are ripped from the ground and chopped up with a sharp knife. That ought to drive vegetarians crazy.
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
novakid, 1/17/2013 8:47:25 PM (No. 9123199)
I don´t know about lettuce, but I have heard the carrots scream....
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
Historybuff, 1/17/2013 9:04:30 PM (No. 9123236)
Lobsters and crabs are canibalistic.
I´ll stop eating lobsters when lobsters stop eating lobsters.
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
GW_Rider, 1/17/2013 9:15:05 PM (No. 9123254)
When they pull the lobsters from my cold dead hands.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
LouD, 1/17/2013 9:27:22 PM (No. 9123266)
I don´t trust veggies. Some have been known to eat meat. I have seen pitcher plants, that lure bugs yo it´s edges, and when the slip and fall in - chomp! (But slowly.) The Venus Flytrap will snap shut on any unwary bug that lands on it, and doesn´t ask the bug if it feels pain, or even cares! So I will also eat lobster and crab, and clams too, and I won´t worry about their pain. I never thought about it before, and I´ve already forgot about it since.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
BaseballFan, 1/17/2013 9:32:47 PM (No. 9123273)
So many awesome replies here... mine would only be redundant, so I´ll just point out that lobster seems to a favorite of that Michelle Obama woman who´s currently living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Which leads me to conclude that this "study" and the accompanying report MUST BE RACIST!
Aside from that, all I can say is, "Mmmmm....lobster..... aughghghghghhhh"
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
veritas, 1/17/2013 9:57:42 PM (No. 9123316)
C´mon, gang.
There´s a ready answer / business opportunity here.
We raise and sell only beef, pork, lobsters, crab, shrimp, flounder [yum!], turkey that died happily in their sleep of old age!
Hey, we can even include veggies!
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
RPool, 1/17/2013 11:58:24 PM (No. 9123455)
The study showed entrained avoidance behavior, not pain.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
provide, 1/18/2013 7:29:15 AM (No. 9123685)
I´m sure Moochelle thinks about this each time she dips them in the butter.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
laotzu, 1/18/2013 11:03:22 AM (No. 9124243)
This will be my only comment to this target-rich thread:
The only difference between the PETA fruitcakes and "rescuers" of dogs and cats, is the ability of their subject animals to generate favorable human emotion. I think you´re both nuts.
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The Obama White House is scrambling to blame Friday’s abysmal March jobs numbers on the sequester’s trimming of the rate of growth in federal budgets that have yet to fully commence. After the Labor Department announced that a mass exodus of 663,000 workers left the U.S. workforce last month and that job creation fell 112,000 jobs short of projections, Obama’s top economic adviser Alan B. Krueger, took to the White House blog to blame the sequester: It is important to bear in mind that the March household and payroll surveys are the first monthly surveys to look
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The Secrets of Princeton
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New York Times, by Ross Douthat
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Posted By: Oblio- 4/7/2013 8:08:09 AM
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Susan Patton, the Princeton alumna who became famous for her letter urging Ivy League women to use their college years to find a mate, has been denounced as a traitor to feminism, to coeducation, to the university ideal. But really she’s something much more interesting: a traitor to her class. Her betrayal consists of being gauche enough to acknowledge publicly a truth that everyone who’s come up through Ivy League culture knows intuitively —
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Beyonce, Jay-Z celebrate 5th anniversary in Havana, Cuba
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Los Angeles Times, by Nardine Saad
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Posted By: Fiesta del sol- 4/6/2013 8:20:04 AM
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Beyonce and Jay-Z celebrated their fifth wedding anniversary in Cuba this week. The couple, who married on April 4, 2008, took in the sights of Old Havana, visited a school, dined on a rooftop terrace and strolled the fan-filled streets in their island best.(snip).The power couple declined to answer journalists´ questions about their visit to the island nation, but some outlets are reporting that the moguls are there as tourists, though that would be illegal because of the half-century embargo the U.S. has on the Communist country. However, the Miami Herald said Washington has issued special licenses for
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Obama Budget to Cap Retirement Accounts at $3 Million
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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Tony Lee
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Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/5/2013 9:40:39 PM
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The budget President Barack Obama will submit on April 10 will contain a proposal that would prohibit individuals from accumulating more than $3 million in Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and tax-preferred retirement accounts. According to a White House statement, the Obama administration believes the current rules allow some wealthy individuals "to accumulate many millions of dollars in these accounts, substantially more than is needed to fund reasonable levels of retirement saving." "The budget would limit an individual’s total balance across tax-preferred accounts to an amount sufficient to finance an annuity of not more than $205,000 per
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