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Obama Asks Doctors to
Help Deal With Guns

Weekly Standard, by Daniel Halper

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Posted By:JoniTx, 1/16/2013 2:30:32 PM

According to a background briefer provided by the White House, President Barack Obama is asking doctors to help deal with guns. Here´s the relevant passage: PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands. Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: daphne, 1/16/2013 2:34:33 PM     (No. 9120437)

Oh goodie. I can just see my doctor doubled over with laughter at this latest insanity as he zooms from examining room to examining room because he is a board certified internist in Southern California who has a large caseload of Medicare patients--not sure that he´s accepting any new ones. O keeps talking and my doctor will take early retirement.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: chumley, 1/16/2013 2:36:29 PM     (No. 9120443)

I asked the doctor I go to about that when Zerocare was first foisted on us. He said he would never ask in the first place. He said it was none of his business.
Then he told me about the nice AR-15 he had just bought.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:38:24 PM     (No. 9120445)

As a health care provider this concerns me greatly.

Am I now liable for a patient that commits gun violence? Will I be sued if I don´t report to the authorities and something happens with my patient?

I suspect I could be liable if it is now incumbent upon me to ask and document whether they have a gun at home, where the guns are stored, where the ammunition is kept etc.

Fascist state--it´s here.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: shamrock, 1/16/2013 2:40:35 PM     (No. 9120451)

#3, anyone that would answer those intrusive questions is nuts, so rat them out. There, helped you out.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: youngtexan, 1/16/2013 2:43:20 PM     (No. 9120454)

I´ll be damned if my doctor ask me questions about me being a gun owner.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:43:52 PM     (No. 9120457)

I suppose I could chart "patient denies access to any guns", after telling the patient "I am supposed to ask you if you have access to any guns at home, because I have to report that to the government. You don´t, do you?"

It´s not like I am going to administer a lie detector test. I can´t control whether patients tell me the truth--I can only document what they tell me.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: FL_Absentee_Voter, 1/16/2013 2:44:10 PM     (No. 9120459)

Won´t the remaining doctors soon be government employees, anyway? So this would fall in line with the master plan.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: NuGoddess, 1/16/2013 2:44:55 PM     (No. 9120461)

What about doctor/patient confidentiality? At what point is my physician obliged to violate my trust in him by ratting me out to the Feds?

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:45:50 PM     (No. 9120463)

**Of course I would not do that with someone I had actual concerns about...

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:47:21 PM     (No. 9120466)

#8, if the patient expresses intent to harm himself or others, medical confidentiality is trumped.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: OhMy, 1/16/2013 2:51:11 PM     (No. 9120477)

All you doctors out there look on the bright side! You are not supposed to make a living by curing illness so now you could be allowed to get yourselves some income on the side by reporting gun owners to the government. Government work pays well and it could support you while you undertake the volunteer work of healh care provider.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 1/16/2013 2:52:17 PM     (No. 9120481)

Doctors, hospitals and clinics a-l-r-e-a-d-y notify the police when someone comes in with a gunshot wound.

Perhaps Dictator would like to assign an ATF agent to each doctor. They can hold hands during surgery so the agent can capture the bullet fresh from the wounded individual..../s/s/s

Stupid @ss govn.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 2:52:26 PM     (No. 9120482)

And we as patients are perfectly within our rights to out and out lie... just as we do about how much exercise we take and how much bad food we eat.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: fayebeck, 1/16/2013 2:53:08 PM     (No. 9120484)

After all the bluff and bluster I just wonder how many "gun violence VICTIMS" will sue the doctors who did not play obama´s game?

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Rubinski, 1/16/2013 2:55:50 PM     (No. 9120490)

#12 - when I worked trauma, there WERE in-hospital ATF agents that would observe bullets being removed--they would also collect them for evidence. It was so there was no mixup about the bullet during any criminal prosecution.

Sorry for the multiple posts.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: ScarletPimpernel, 1/16/2013 2:56:11 PM     (No. 9120493)

#2 I hope there are more doctors like yours.

My husband and I refuse to answer questions about guns on those medical forms. Period. One doctor actually agreed with my husband that the question is inappropriate.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 1/16/2013 2:56:26 PM     (No. 9120496)

Doctor: Mr. Antique, do you have any guns in your home?

Mr. Antique: Do you have any?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: horacer, 1/16/2013 3:00:25 PM     (No. 9120508)

If you´re going to ask about guns then you have to ask about knives, hammers, chain saws, tire irons, bricks ...

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Safari Man, 1/16/2013 3:04:05 PM     (No. 9120514)

#7 is on the right track. This is Obama revealing his feeling that medical professionals are already responsible to the government and are basically government agents. Its a small step from there to force them to b employees of the government.

George Orwell call your office.

I can see it now, the Dr says drop your trousers, bend over, and let me check you for weapons... as he snaps his latex gloves.


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Reply 20 - Posted by: Penney, 1/16/2013 3:04:24 PM     (No. 9120518)

Doctor´s are already being required to ask a long list of personal questions of patients in order to comply with 0bamacare, including, ´´Does you house have a second story.´´ Now, 0bama adds this to the list?!!! How invasive of privacy can the dem pols get?!!! ...Enough already!

Shun dem pols!

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 1/16/2013 3:04:39 PM     (No. 9120520)

I agree this is an unwarranted intrusion into people´s lives.

If I am ever asked questions about this and am called on my answers, I plan to do what Dr. House says all patients do - lie.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/16/2013 3:08:07 PM     (No. 9120526)

Obama is making doctors liable for gun violence. I can see the lawsuits flying...


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Reply 23 - Posted by: AltaD, 1/16/2013 3:15:50 PM     (No. 9120536)

I never lie to my doctors. When they ask how often I exercise I say "I don´t exercise.", when they ask I´m getting enough calcium or veggies I say, without hesitation, "No.". I think my frankness surprises them but I figure it´s best they know the truth. However, being a gun owner has nothing to do with my health so if/when I´m asked I will refuse to answer or maybe, I´ll lie.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: heartsurgeon, 1/16/2013 3:17:41 PM     (No. 9120540)

Exactly how will this actually prevent any killing? Does anyone believe people are going to be arrested or committed based on report of threat? This isn´t even a new law or proposal, obama is merely deflecting potential blame to physicians, and likely spawning a new class of malpractice lawsuits based upon notfollowing HHS defined best practices in interrogating and reporting patients based on gun ownership....this is a nightmare.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 1/16/2013 3:19:16 PM     (No. 9120544)

What happens if you assert your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 1/16/2013 3:21:19 PM     (No. 9120548)

His 2nd Order should raise eyebrows ,too.
Actually, cause them to fly off.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act,
that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

HIPAA has many draconian orders , like demands that all computers in physician´s office can never be viewed by the public.
If a spot check reveals an office computer at an improper angle , even just off a smidgen-the physician can face huge fines.
Physicians can even lose their licenses for picayune infractions.
But..now Barry wants physicians to tell the feds if someone
is depressed or stressed from marriage or job woes ?
We should all abide by Don´t Ask Don´t Tell as much as possible the next four looooong years.


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Reply 27 - Posted by: Davids918, 1/16/2013 3:25:27 PM     (No. 9120556)

I´m sure the ACLU will want to chim-in on this topic just like they did with the mental hospitals, and prevented MA from having involuntary admittance which the mother wanted to do, but was prevented by the actions of the ACLU.



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Reply 28 - Posted by: LadyHen, 1/16/2013 3:26:55 PM     (No. 9120561)

Oh btw... many doctors following the guidelines set out by the American Academy of Pediatrics "Injury Prevention Program" have for years been collecting information on firearms in homes with children.

The AAP´s position on guns has always been "no guns" so of course they have no agenda. /s

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Reply 29 - Posted by: starsNstripes, 1/16/2013 3:47:26 PM     (No. 9120601)

Two points:

1. Last week several posts showed NRA-friendly language embedded in Obamacare that made it illegal for doctors to capture the answers to the "do you have any guns at home?" question and then forward this to any government agencies. The NRA apparently go Harry Reid to slip this into the bill at the 11th hour. So not only is HIPPA a roadblock, but now Obamacare is too. So now not only will doctors get sued by victims of gun crimes, but they´ll get sued by gun owners who have had their privacy violated. Lose-Lose for doctors.

2. If doctors will have to ask the "do you have guns at home" question and then report to authorities if the answer is yes, will Obama´s daughters get in trouble when they answer yes? After all, technically, the SS details all carry weapons in the Obama´s house(s) whether in DC or Hawaii.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: bldrrepub, 1/16/2013 3:52:36 PM     (No. 9120608)

My doctor´s practice was part of a pilot study back in 2010. The questions started off innocuously enough: Have you traveled overseas recently?, etc. The third question was "Do you have any guns in the house?". I told the nurse with a added profanity that it was none of her business.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: kanphil, 1/16/2013 3:53:05 PM     (No. 9120609)

When I took one of my flock in for a checkup the other week, there was a substitute doc there who asked the question. I answered indirectly saying most people in my neighborhood own guns. She followed with asking if I kept them locked up. "What locked up?" was my answer. She gave up. By the way, my regular doc would have known better than to ask.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Jubilationtcornpone, 1/16/2013 3:55:35 PM     (No. 9120612)

I haven´t read the actual legislation proposed, but what I get out of it is that doctors who feel their patients may be a danger to themselves or others, ask about guns in the household. My father went through a severe depressive episode several years ago and the doctor advised my mother to get the guns out of the house. I don´t know what the reporting requirements will be or if patients need to meet some threshold before reporting occurs. But iif we´re talking about keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people, this may be a start.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 1/16/2013 4:04:27 PM     (No. 9120622)

Meet the fascist state´s m=newest spy, your doctor. HOw pathetic has our gooberment gotten to sink to levels of destroying the trust between doctor and patient just so Big Brother can spy on its citizens.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Grambo, 1/16/2013 4:05:11 PM     (No. 9120625)

Of course, the purpose of physicians asking about guns is not to encourage or promote safety, it´s to find out where the guns are and put pins in the map so as to know where to go to get them.

The correct answer to the question is, "Doctor, can we stay on topic, my medical issues?"

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Reply 35 - Posted by: rmsimms, 1/16/2013 4:08:30 PM     (No. 9120631)

Whatever you say to your doctor will be taken down and put in your central FedGov Obamacare™ file that can be freely accessed by anyone from Dem operatives to your insurance company....you bet I´m going to lie if they ask me. You can bet they will mark anything other than no as YES.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 1/16/2013 4:11:45 PM     (No. 9120635)

Next we will have the ´Obama Youth´ who will report any suspicious activity at home . It will be their duty in the young democrat brigades. They will be asked what books Dad reads and what his hobbies are.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: nonsense, 1/16/2013 4:11:49 PM     (No. 9120636)

What´s the name of the lake where the boaters lost their guns overboard? In case I need it the next time I visit the friendly family dr.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 1/16/2013 4:16:10 PM     (No. 9120642)

I have no guns and I am NOT going to tell my doctor about the B-52 Bomber I have in my garage. She would refer to to a psychiatrist,
but he is likely at the (gun) range practicing. Seriously, there is NOTHING one can think about our current Administration which would be too outrageous, because no matter how idiotic an idea you have, they always top it with more and more truly delusional ones. I doubt if even one doctor in 100 would even consider asking a patient about weapons, not ask, even CONSIDER. Obama is simply an alien to our culture and laws.
That is my OPINION.


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Reply 39 - Posted by: steveW, 1/16/2013 4:27:06 PM     (No. 9120659)

It sure is beginning to feel like Obama is pushing, intentionally pushing, sentient Americans (those who didn´t vote for him) to the point of no return. I wonder what he plans to do then..

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 1/16/2013 4:29:21 PM     (No. 9120664)

#29 is correct. Our pediatrician asked our kids, about 20 years ago, about guns in our home. When I asked why he wanted to know, he told me that the American Academy of Pediatricians had mandated that they collect this information from patients.

By the way, the kids jumped up and down and told the doctor all about their supersoaker water guns.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/16/2013 4:33:03 PM     (No. 9120669)

S the bottom line is that all of this nonsense benefits lawyers. Imagine that.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: eoddad, 1/16/2013 4:33:43 PM     (No. 9120670)

Cuba routinely loans out its so called Doctors, especially in Venezuela where they are KNOWN to act as Intelligence Collectors and Propagandist in the Barrios. The Obama Dictatorship is being built here one brick at a time.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Dante, 1/16/2013 5:06:15 PM     (No. 9120736)

Surely kitchen knives are also a danger, can we inquire about those as well? How about baseball bats and tire irons?

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Reply 44 - Posted by: chief1942, 1/16/2013 5:10:37 PM     (No. 9120751)

My PCP actually has a .357 mag for her self protection. I worry little about this aspect of the debate. Even if she were to ask I would simply reply "None of your business. Next question?".

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Reply 45 - Posted by: QRP, 1/16/2013 5:18:03 PM     (No. 9120772)

You had better answer NO. Anything else is going to go down as a yes.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 1/16/2013 6:17:00 PM     (No. 9120887)

Rush and reply 41 wonder about obama´s motives.

Two words: Martial Law.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 1/16/2013 6:35:12 PM     (No. 9120921)

Like that drunk in the bar....pushing...pushing...insulting...degrading.....giving no quarter.....showing no signs of someone who shares your ultimate goals....

....seems like just one punch would do it.

But then, I´m a lover not a fighter.

hash tag= lover, not fighter
do not investigate.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Coy860, 1/16/2013 6:44:01 PM     (No. 9120939)

Defense attorneys, even if their client TELLS them they are going to kill someone, are forbidden from notifying law enforcement..attorney/client privilege you know. s/

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Reply 49 - Posted by: pineledger, 1/17/2013 5:43:24 AM     (No. 9121569)

Any doctor asks me that, I´m walking out.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: feziwig, 1/17/2013 5:14:26 PM     (No. 9122794)

Just finished my second "wellness exam". Although the question was never asked, I had two replies at the ready:

a.) "None of your damned business".
b.) "What do you think of this little baby", as I pull my pistol out of my pocket.

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Helicopters, airplanes and firefighters have been struggling to contain wildfires that have killed 15 people, devastated more than 2,000 homes and left 8,000 homeless in Valparaiso, Chile. A 15th body was found today and the toll of destroyed homes has risen to more than 2,150. As smoke rose from smoldering ruins all over the picturesque coastal city, many compared the scene to Dante´s inferno. Scroll down for video - Some people made their way home after days without sleep, only to discover ruins. The fires, so hot they created their own fierce winds, consumed a few entire neighborhoods. In other



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Ben Carson: White House wanted
apology for ‘offending’ Obama

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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/15/2014 5:22:51 AM     Post Reply
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Obama Generation Losing
Interest in Obama

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Wall Street Journal, by James Freeman    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 4:23:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Chelsea Clinton no longer
ruling out politics

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The Hill (Washington DC), by Judy Katz    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 11:57:36 AM     Post Reply
Chelsea Clinton says when people ask her these days whether she wants to go into politics, her answer isn’t an automatic “no.” The 34-year-old former first daughter told Fast Company in an interview published Monday, “for so long the answer was just a visceral no. Not because I had made any conscientious, deliberate decision, but since people had been asking for as long as literally I could remember, it was no." Now, the only child of former President Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton explains, "I live in a city and a state and a country where I

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

White is not right: Campus admins ask
for help weeding out white people

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Daily Caller, by Robby Soave    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 7:47:18 PM     Post Reply
Western Washington University sent a questionnaire to students asking them for advice on how the administration could succeed at making sure that in future years, “we are not as white as we are today.” The question notes that WWU’s racial make up does not perfectly reflect the nation at large, and asks students to consider strategies that other universities have used to focus on skin color as the paramount indicator of a student-applicant’s worth. The president of WWU has stated that his explicit goal is to reduce the white population on campus, according to Campus Reform. “I’ve said before and I’ll say it

Atlanta Braves flooded with Hank
Aaron hate mail: He’s a ‘s*****g’

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Washington Times (D.C.), by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/15/2014 3:23:19 PM     Post Reply
Hank Aaron’s recent comments about the need for America to realize that racism is still very much alive and thriving — only now due to those who wear “neckties and starched shirts” rather than KKK hoods — has sparked an angry backlash and many fans are turning the tables, calling the baseball legend himself a racist. “Hank Aaron is a s*****g piece of [expletive] [racial slur],” one man said in an email to the Atlanta Braves’ front office, one of the teams Mr. Aaron used to play for, CBS News reported. “My old man instilled in my mind from a

If a nuclear bomb exploded in downtown
Washington, what should you do?

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The Week, by Marc Ambinder    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 4/15/2014 4:51:46 AM     Post Reply
Funny question in the headline, yes? But since President Obama worries more about the threat of terrorists´ improvised nuclear device going off in a major American city than anything Russia can throw at us, I was wondering if the government had deigned to share with us citizens any tips for, you know, surviving something their own intelligence points to as the likeliest unlikely Black Swan event. Well, no. And yes. No — very few people in Washington, D.C., who work for the government have any idea what they would do if a 10-kiloton nuclear device exploded at the intersection of 16th and K

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Obama taps gay bishop to wrap Easter
Prayer Breakfast with invocation

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Washington Times, by Cheryl K. Chumley    Original Article
Posted By: jackson- 4/15/2014 9:25:28 AM     Post Reply
When President Obama needed a preacher to fulfill the closing prayer duties at the annual White House Easter Prayer Breakfast, he turned to none other than the Episcopal Church’s first openly gay bishop — who said he was as shocked as anyone at the appointment. The Right Rev. Gene Robinson said in a tweet, accompanied by a photo of Mr. Obama behind a podium at the event: “POTUS ‘preaches’ at the Easter prayer breakfast. Then, out of the blue, asks ME to close with prayer. OMG!” Newsmax said he also emphasized that the words he chose to close the breakfast

Obama Selects First Openly Gay
Episcopal Bishop to Lead Easter Prayer

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Mediaite, by Andrew Kirell    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/14/2014 12:46:05 PM     Post Reply
President Obama pulled a surprise move Monday at the White House’s Easter Prayer Breakfast when he selected Gene Robinson to lead the closing prayer. Robinson is famously known as the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. Talking Points Memo’s Tom Kludt spotted the following tweet from Robinson, who was in attendance: (Tweet) Robinson, 66, became diocesan bishop of New Hampshire in March 2004. He retired in January 2013 and is currently a senior fellow at the progressive

Developing: Russian fighter jet buzzes
U.S. Navy destroyer in Black Sea

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Associated Press, by Lolita C. Baldor    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 12:49:12 PM     Post Reply
A Russian fighter jet made multiple, close-range passes near an American warship in the Black Sea for more than 90 minutes Saturday amid escalating tensions in the region, a U.S. military official said Monday. In the first public account of the incident, the official said the Russian Fencer flew within 1,000 yards of the USS Donald Cook, a Navy destroyer, at about 500 feet above sea level. Ship commanders considered the actions provocative and inconsistent with international agreements, prompting the ship to issue several radio queries and warnings. The fighter appeared to be unarmed and never was in danger of


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