The failure of House Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B” could create chaos for taxpayers across the income spectrum. With a slew of tax provisions scheduled to expire in less than two weeks, a dive off the fiscal cliff could also complicate the chances for a fundamental rewrite of the tax code — something top officials on both sides have said they want. But with the clock ticking, some lawmakers aren’t so sure that their colleagues appreciate the possible upheaval if all current tax policies expire, even for just a few days or weeks.
I fail to see just why John is being blamed for anything - that snot of a prez wants to spend more and more and more. The worthless Pubbies including Ks. twit need to support him. It is not his fault we have a stinking spendthrift for a prez.
We knew Boehner was going to get blamed no matter what, so I am glad he is hanging tough. So far.
It is the President´s job to propose, the Congress to dispose, or have we forgotten that?
Obama claims to have presented the solution -- more spending. He claims to have cut trillions in spending but much of that phony figure (which no one seems to want to question) is from the military, which we cannot afford to cut.
O claims he´s done all he can and it´s Boehner´s fault if everyone´s taxes go up. That is simply a lie. When O went into these negotiations, he began with a precondition - no tax cuts. THAT, not Boehner´s action or inaction, is the cause of this problem; there wasn´t even an attempt at good-faith negotiations. It was O´s way or no way.
I hope Mr. B holds tough. Let the D´s own this. Let´s not forget that for 4 years, all of O´s alleged solutions failed, yet he proposes more of them. What makes a rational personal think any of his upcoming solutions will be any better? Besides, any solutions proposed by the GOP, if adopted, will be sabotaged, they´ll fail and we´ll get blamed again.
So, until the media come clean about O´s fake solutions, the GOP will continue to be the whipping boy. Let´s not fall into that trap again.
Boehner can fix this , save himself , save the country, and be a hero. Refuse to budge on deficit limits next month and agree to not one dime of spending even if it means a bold shutdown of govt
Some entitlement checks could flow (sossec), but nothing else and a serious discussion of our nations finances could ensue while we´ve got their attention
Something bold is needed, starting with a denial of use of House chambers for SOTU following Obie´s threats to tar Boehner and republicans. Please stand up to this sad excuse of a president or step aside.
Another protracted negotiation with meaningless spending cuts "over the next ten years" will not be accepted.
Absolutely #2 and everyone else who sees what this pathetic blame-game is trying to accomplish. The fact that obama and the demonrats haven´t even passed a budget for four years has nothing to do with this "chaos" in the empty-heads of the "media". Oh no. It´s all John Boehner´s and the mean ol´ Republicans fault. How dumb are we supposed to be?....Never mind.
Do any Democrats know that there is 27 billion in Stimulus tax credits paid to taxpayers that will end at year end? Do they know how much the government is spending on emergency extensions of unemployment benefits that will expire? They would know if they had prepared a budget the last 3 years. Only 42 billion of the 451 billion new revenue in 2013 is from higher rates on the rich. We need the discussion of how redistribution takes from many to offer special benefits to some.
Reply 14 - Posted by:
Bad Dog, 12/26/2012 7:49:33 AM (No. 9083822)
It is a representatives job to go to Congress and REPRESENT his voters.... not stand by silently supporting policies he does not believe in or that his constituents don´t want.
Boehner failed from the git-go by coming out the day after the election - THE DAY AFTER - and begging for mercy. He put himself in this tenuous position of being the loser in the deal. Therefore, he destined himself to be portrayed as the Loser by the media. His bargain plan left his belly wide open. He has risen above being a mere representative of his district - he is supposed to be the leader of all the House Republicans, but to do that, he should make some effort to find out what their positions are, and work with THEM FIRST to come up with solutions to present to the pResident and the Democrats.
He did all this, or failed to do all this, himself. To punish young congressmen for standing true and strong to the beliefs that got them elected, by terminating their committee assignments and positions, was petty and they know it, and we know it.
Democrats never speak out against each other, that´s true. Is that what we want to become? Democrats? Democrat-Lite will not get us anywhere as a country - only further as politicians.
I stand by the country, and I stand by those congressmen who remain strong to their core principles. Negotiating is one thing.... extortion and punishment by your own side for your beliefs is ... progressive.
I DO blame Boehner for the spending and tax crisis he allowed Obama to get us into. Boehner proved it back in August of 2011 when he had a chance to stop Obama´s reckless spending by limiting his borrowing, but he just kicked the can down the road again. Also I am tired of Boehner´s Kabuki theater with Obama. You can bet he is going to make some secret deal with Obama behind our backs, taxes will go up for high earners and Obama will be the winner again. Dump Boehner NOW.
This isn´t on Boehner´s neck. Remember, this was Obie´s strategy to split and divide the repubs during the lame duck congress. This is on Obie´s neck, he is just more clever not to show it. Narcissists work this way.
Dont forget about the liberal play book, folks. Obie´s thought control ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the rules for radicals book.
We need to get off Boehner´s back and understand where the real problem is. True, he can´t talk out of both sides of his mouth like Obie and Reid can, but, let´s not allow Obie´s ploy to split the pubs up to set the stage for 2013.
That "Ks twit", Rep Tim Huelskamp, is doing the job he was sent there to do. Would that more of the Washington crowd would do the same. The issue is spending, not higher taxes. Boehner let himself get boxed into a discussion on taxes while on spending Obama was doing a Wimpey promising "I´d gladly pay you next Tuesday for a hamburger today". Make REAL cuts in spending!
Tax Chaos Looms in Wake of Obama´s Failed Presidency. There. Fixed that bogus headline. Tough not to have tax and economic chaos when you don´t pass a budget for almost 4 years, spend money we don´t have, lavish taxpayer money on entitlements for illegals, union paybacks, phony green energy scams, and cronyism.
#s 1,2,& 3, Gingrich was not to blame for "Medicare Cuts" either. But Bubba told the big lie again and again and made it stick. Thats how life in Washington works. Boehner WILL be blamed but should stand firm nevertheless.
While I agree with many Ldotters on this thread, I think it is the fault of all three branches of government. None of the three is following the U.S. Constitution. If they were, Obama would not be the president, Obamacare would not have been passed (in all likelihood), and there would have been a budget every year.
It seems to me that we need to go back to the drawing board: Obama, should be removed from office. Unfortunately, he won´t be removed because no one is following the Constitution.
Therefore we are in this pickle. No one has the intestinal fortitude to start the ball rolling, because of fear: a. fear of how the MSM would try to destroy them b. fear of riots by the takers of all nationalities and skin colors c. fear of losing.
Look to the Founding Fathers - they were not certain they would win anything! They pledged "their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor". Our wimps in Washington DC, with the exception of the TEA Party-elected, have forgotten. All others need reminding.
The failure of Plan B was always symbolic because the Senate Rats and Obama both made clear they would not pass it into law. Now this is the source of all our problems?? Why not pass a bill to eliminate all taxes. That´s right folks, call it the fairest tax of all. The federal government can continue to print money to cover all it´s expenses and this comes equally from every dollar of currency in circulation by reducing it value. All the administrative costs of the IRS and the invasion of privacy it involves can be eliminated. All wealth, income, pensions, welfare, stimulus slush funds - everything will be taxed right out of your pocket on the way to the market to buy something. No paperwork is needed, Warren Buffet will pay as much as his secretary and even Tim Geithner will pay his fair share! The perfect solution to the fiscal cliff!/s
Jan. 1st is 5 days away. Anything could happen in that time. Obama may just sign a 2 month extension of the current rates in order to hammer the GOP in the State of the Union speech. Every decision, speech or talking point by the Libs from now until the 2014 mid-term elections is designed to take back the House - and thus reinserting Naggy Pelosi as Speaker once again.
Reply 32 - Posted by:
Mr. Hanky, 12/26/2012 11:07:10 AM (No. 9084150)
Its the ´Presidency by crisis´ as the Obama Administration never manages anything but lurches from one self-created emergency to the next.
Why the inaction by the House. That is Boehner´s fault because he hasn´t seen fit to send a bill to the Senate extending the Bush Tax Cuts for another two years. That would have put the ball back in Reid´s court to do what he always does which is nothing. As it is, the Incompetent One gets to go on vacation and blabber sour nothings, about a subject he knows nothing about... finances. All this because Boehner can´t even get his own House in order. Instead he saw fit to start a war within his own membership.
Sending that bill to the Senate would have allowed Republicans to complain about Democrat inaction. It would have given them talking points and a possible win at the end of the line. If they don´t raise the Debt Limit and also send a Budget to the Senate with trillions of dollars in cuts to the bureaucratic work force, then they are certainly just giving up and being outmaneuvered again.
Of course it is Boehner´s fault. Enjoy your tax increases. It isn´t the 96% that voted for Obama that will pay them or any taxes at all.
Tax chaos isn´t the only problem. The only thing preventing urban chaos are the billions Obama is pouring into various welfare programs. A 45% inner city black unemployment rate without a peep of protest? I suspect he used early voting to bus welfare recipients and other dependent groups to the polls in the days preceding the election. The threat was that Romney would cut or eliminate their programs. SEIU affiliated groups spread the word on the street. Obama will use this army again in the next four years. For what? Who knows. One thing for sure. He will blame Republicans or Tea Party "fanatics".
Not from this article , but, elsewhere. Boehner and the House had already passed legislation to stop all tax rate increases, in addition to the spending cuts bill. “Earlier this year, the House passed a bill that extends current rates on everybody for one year, with instructions for expedited comprehensive tax reform by next year." McConnell blasted Obama and the Democrats for refusing to even consider it. The Senate refused to take it up and Obama vowed to veto it. Unfortunately, positive news about Boehner and his leadership ( and McConnell over in the Senate ) does not make it to the national media or to the right wing talkers who seem to enjoy banging on Boehner more than they do Barry. If you just rely on Hannity or Limbaugh for accurate news, you´re not getting accurate news. They´re as bad as the national media.
Boehner has the Debt ceiling card. Close down the govt and no debt ceiling increase. Simple: Cut all depts by 20%. Increase standards for on entitlements. No SSI for legals, illegals. Increase age for SSI. Welfare people must do volunteer work. Cut pay in half to Congress and all public employees. I can go on and on what to cut and not hurt the economy. Post Office-Cut Wednesday delivery I never get mail on Wednesday.
If we can´t cut the tax rates and exemptions at the very least we should pass a bill to make the Bush tax cuts permanent - not just a two year extension. When was the last time the libs passed a spending bill with a sunset date on it? Never happens! The stimulus is added to the baseline budget every year and there is no talk of cutting that out. Obama can add a trillion to the spending and then can´t find a dime to cut. If we go back to the marvellous tax rates of the Clinton era why not also go back to the Clinton spending levels? ( all the tarp and stimulus spending dropped ) Sound´s perfectly reasonable to me. That way we undo all of the horrible Bush policies that caused so much damage! Right??
#1 you are correct Obama is not eager to come to a financial resolution. Speaker Boehner still does not get it. Scenario, tax cheat Geithner waving Obamas plan in Boehners face. First the plan is laughable . ludicrous, does not make sense ,he wants two things ,to spend more of our tax dollars you can call it a stimulli or John Maynard Keynes socialist economic boondoggle, which NEVER worked .Second he want complete uninterrupted access to the Debt ceiling cookie jar ($16.5 Trillion, $147.7K per taxpayer) Keynesian Economics was introduced to bring a country out of a deep depression by EXCESSIVE SPENDING. no savings, no economic discipline, no fiscal responsibility et al/ Bankruptcy and foreclosure under a Keynesian model encourages government to spend spend and spend itself back to prosperity . Again it Never Worked. Obama will let this country fiscally deteriorate and the USA will become a Greek basketcase.Mr Speaker you are wasting precious time arguing with this incompetant in the WH.Ensure the Bush tax cuts remain in position and please get into step with GOP Moderates Conservatives etc that are pushing for tax cuts and is one of the main factors that will start improving hiring and a reason for companies to expand.There has to be a change of GOP leadership . someone who will stand up to this idiot Obama . Fortunately ,one person stands out for this job and that is Rep Ryan.
which has this quote: "The House bill (H.R. 8), passed on August 1, 2012, would extend for one additional year (through 2013) the current tax rate structure (also known as the Bush tax cuts). The House bill also calls for a two-year patch for the alternative minimum tax (for 2012 and 2013). The House bill was backed mostly by Republican legislators, "The 256-171 vote..."
I wish the Republicans would beg, borrow or steal some testosterone and shove this in their faces every time a LIEberal tries to blame the House.
Weeks ago, months ago the House passed bills to resolve this dilemma. The problem is they (John Boehner), did not stand on these resolutions. He should not have budged, but no, John said otherwise. The problem is spineless Speaker, John Boehner. He had solved a problem, yet wouldn´t support the House solution. Why? Because he is of the elite, and wants power at any cost to the country.
Why does this carry the liberal spin of Boehner´s failed Plan "B" Proposal? I would wager to say that this worn out routine that we are seeing where the US House presents a plan (the House controls the purse strings as in the Constitution---remember this document?) and the President says no it is not enough, or bring me another rock is getting old. It never seems to enough because his administration has already spent us into oblivion in a little under four years...what grand feat? And these constant hums drum of continuing to blame people that are bringing ideas forward when you have none is an insult to our national pride and intelligence. When in the last four years has this administration come up with a budget…I rest my case. We are sorely need a Leader who leads from the front, and not from the rear or in the shadows!
Blame Boehner from Rinos, no less. The fiscal cliff is an FDR design and is nearing completion.
Reply 51 - Posted by:
get er done, 12/26/2012 6:37:22 PM (No. 9084860)
The House, led by Tea Party and other conservative Republicans, should refuse to ratify the presidential election for a myriad of reasons -- widespread election fraud including 0´s acceptance of foreign campaign money, 0´s multiple social security numbers, 0´s bogus draft record, 0´s surrender of law license, 0´s involvement in Fast and Furious gun running scandal, 0´s involvement in Benghazi murders and arms running, 0´s using our military without declaration of war, and last but not least, 0´s ineligibility to hold the office of president due to his foreign citizenship, British and/or Indonesian.
Boehner should take some pointers from Wayne La Pierre of the NRA. Stand your ground and quote the 2nd amendment to the Constitution in the NRA´s case and Boehner state the fact that the Democrat Senate has not produced a budget in over three years and all spending originates in the House. Obama will blink.
Hopelesss John, silent to the end, no clue, leading us backward, appears like he may be too drugged up to speak. He certainly makes no sense, and he´s supposed to be our front man. Never an encouraging word even from traitorous John.
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