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Soul-crushing dependency
Washington Examiner [DC], by Michael Barone

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Posted By:Dreadnought, 12/10/2012 8:56:39 AM

“This is painful for a liberal to admit,” writes liberal New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, “but conservatives have a point when they suggest that America’s safety net can sometimes entangle people in soul-crushing dependency.” Kristof is writing from Breathitt County, Ky., deep in the Appalachian mountains, about mothers whose Supplemental Security Income benefits will decrease if their children learn to read. Kristof notes that 55% of children qualifying for SSI benefits do so because of “fuzzier intellectual disabilities short of mental retardation,” far more than four decades ago when SSI was just a new program.

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: msctex1, 12/10/2012 9:09:22 AM     (No. 9057459)

This is how they destroy, intentionally or not. They "help" to the point the help is preferable to the cure.


Reply 2 - Posted by: rabbit, 12/10/2012 9:10:44 AM     (No. 9057461)

The headline is correct, but the article itself is poorly written (and I usually like Barone). By definition, people on SSI have a significant disability. Access to SSI means automatic access to Medicaid. To a person with significant medical issues, that can be more important than the SSI money.

Now, what happens if the person on SSI attempts to work? First of all, every dollar of income (over $20 per month) has to be reported back to Social Security on a monthly basis. For every dollar over $65 you earn in a month, SSI takes back 50 cents for every $1 you earn. (Talk about tax rates for fat cats! Over 50% for the poor on SSI - for they also have to pay payroll taxes on top of this 50%.)

Social Security realizes this disincentive and has set up a program, Ticket to Work, that is so complex that only a bureaucrat can appreciate it. It rarely is used - too complicated for businesses to comply, and those with intellectual or developmental disabilities cannot possibly understand it.

So yes, soul-crushing dependency, but not due to the money; rather, due to the bureaucratic rules.


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: TheMom, 12/10/2012 9:12:40 AM     (No. 9057465)

When our elder son, then 19, was in a head-on crash we were encouraged to apply for SSI on his behalf. A few years later he was finally able to hold a job, and about a year after that was doing well enough that we wrote a letter thanking the govt for their kind assistance and letting them know he no longer needed it. Our thanks in return was a letter from them demanding a refund of the entire past 2 years of payments.


Reply 4 - Posted by: ratslayer, 12/10/2012 9:13:31 AM     (No. 9057467)

Sadly in many neighborhoods the SSI check for such kids is known as "Ijit Pay". Zippy has allowed any kid with a bad repot card to qualify for "ijit pay".


Reply 5 - Posted by: dr.lakerman, 12/10/2012 9:34:51 AM     (No. 9057502)

In 19whn Richard Nixon as fighting to remain as president, SSI was offered to the liberals as a goodie to deflect them. It is a program out of control.
#2, you don´t need a significant disability. SSI can be applied to newborns. A couple of years ago, in Waterford, Pa, little baby was starved to death, and its sibling twin was nearly starved to death. The 19 year old mother did it, withholding food from the twins. And the twins were on SSI because they were born prematurely.
You don´t need a significant disability. The courts have ruled that if a child acts up in school, that represents a learning disability, which is coverned under SSI. The payment is known in some areas as a ´crazy check.´
And if a person is an alcoholic or drug addict, that person is eligible for SSI. But SSI money has to be spent immediately. So it is not unusual for a person new to SSI to get several months´ checks all at once, and overdose on drugs or alcohol and die.
SSI is perhaps the worst social program in the history of our country.


Reply 6 - Posted by: Roark, 12/10/2012 9:37:16 AM     (No. 9057506)

Creating dependency is the pathway to power. This is the co-dependency that is the life-blood of democrats. Those who seek their dominion over others rely on this dependency to feed their own addiction. The Democratic party has institutionalized this human weakness and has successfully marketed it as a benefit. A strong and independent voter is useless to such ilk and therefore, marginalized.

For the life of me, after all the study and research I´ve done on the matter, I still don´t understand the desire of holding dominion over another, but it truly is a mental disorder.


Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40, 12/10/2012 9:40:59 AM     (No. 9057511)

Taking care of the aged, infirm, needy individuals is humane, civilized and worthy of a country such as the US. We had developed a formula where the Government and public funds would blend and work with private charity and community based resources to make it happen. That is NOT what we are talking about here. Pushing Grandma´s wheelchair over the cliff is a red herring (mis)used every time to avoid a serious discussion on this topic. Our Fearless Reader better at it than anyone else.
A whopping 33% Americans receiving some form of public entitlement payment is a grotesque, obscene and perverse caricature of this noble goal.
How we got here is a long and complicated story. But the answer is not. We HAVE to get back to more normal and natural levels. It won´t happen overnight but that should not be used as an excuse to not even try.
There is genuine fear among the Republican rank and file that Boehner & Co. might be ready to sell the producers, wealth creators, givers of this country down the river. Zippy on the other hand has made his intentions as clear as Hitler did his in Mein Kampf, that he does not intend to yield an inch and in fact will drive the 33% even higher if he can get away with it. Is anyone willing to read?


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: Salt5792, 12/10/2012 10:16:08 AM     (No. 9057580)

Is this supposed to be a "scoop".


Reply 9 - Posted by: pineledger, 12/10/2012 10:32:40 AM     (No. 9057623)

And if they could learn and are deemed not disabled, they loose their $$.

Something wrong with this picture.


Reply 10 - Posted by: valinva, 12/10/2012 11:29:01 AM     (No. 9057716)

The first sentence in any article of this type is that the money spent on all of these programs is borrowed with teh debt being added to future generations. There also be an explanation that payroll taxes extracted from a person are really a substitute for the portion of their life that was spent in earning the money and when we add to the national debt we are actually taking away part of the lives of future working people.


Reply 11 - Posted by: OdinsAcolyte, 12/10/2012 12:38:55 PM     (No. 9057829)

FUZZY means average I.Q. (100).


Reply 12 - Posted by: dr.lakerman, 12/10/2012 12:45:59 PM     (No. 9057843)

second post apologies - but I used to teach a course in Benefits administration, at the graduate level. And each year i brought in a speaker from the Social Security Administration, to explain the programs in his agency.
His first words to the class were always, "Does anyone know what a ponzi scheme is?"
He went on to explain SSI, and how a minors check is sent usually to baby momma, and if she has a half dozen kids on crazy checks, that is worth about 5000 tax free dollars to her each month. There is no requirement that she spend the money on the chillun.
So in many cases, she coaches each child to act like the other children in the family to get an additional crazy check.
And the SS rep also told my students how an alcoholic who couldn´t handle money could designate his alternate payee - often his bartender!
Finally, the social security administration does not have the capacity to offer social services, counseling, and the like. They just do the paperwork and the money flows to the recipients.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: mickturn, 12/10/2012 1:13:11 PM     (No. 9057900)

“This is painful for a liberal to admit." ???

So you plan to destroy America, Jobs and Families and now you are admitting it?

Well now we´re getting somewhere...can you say Marxist?


Reply 14 - Posted by: pgvoisin, 12/10/2012 2:56:50 PM     (No. 9058084)

The question to ask Progressives is this.

"How do you intend to lift your dependent constituents out of poverty so they can support themselves"?

(crickets)

So then are you saying that you want to keep them there so you can give them their "stuff"?


Reply 15 - Posted by: bighambone, 12/10/2012 4:20:03 PM     (No. 9058254)

What a potential pot of gold for the 20 million person plus illegal alien population, who you can bet have all sorts of yet to be discovered developmental disabilities, once Obama does get them all legalized.

Now the illegal alien population has no resource but to work hard for little pay.

Once legalized, with human nature being what it is, along with the fact that the very liberal ethnic and immigrant community organizers allied politically to the Obama Administrator will be working non-stop to eventually get as many as possible of those legalized people signed up as liberal Democrat voters, you can bet that this SSI sitting duck will be one of the prime vehicles they will use to ensure that as many of those legalized people are as dependent upon the US Government as possible.



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