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A Republican Civil War
Canada Free Pres, by Daniel Greenfield

Original Article

Posted By:mikkins2, 12/9/2012 9:34:44 AM

Back when Romney was rammed through the establishment choice, I wrote that the establishment had its shot, but that if it blew it again, those responsible should be prepared to pay the price. No price is being paid of course. Instead, insanely enough, the GOP is trying to purge the Tea Party. This is fantastically stupid, because Obama won on turnout and organization, he won on volunteers from a passionate member base willing to fight for an extreme program. And where is the GOP going to find the people who will out-volunteer, out-organize and out-donate them? Nowhere.

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The Republican Party has only itself to blame for its ultimate demise. Either it will find a way integrate with the Tea Party or it will die a well deserved death poisoned by its own pompous stupidity.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Coy860, 12/9/2012 9:43:32 AM     (No. 9056313)

America is sick. The Founding Fathers wrote what I believe to be a Divinely guided Constitution.
That document appears to only have meaning to conservatives.
We are attacked from the left and the right.
I am tired of talking heads. Period.
Either Republicans go back to the basics of our Founding, or they perish. We realistically cannot find common ground with the extreme democrat/socialist party.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ramona, 12/9/2012 9:44:51 AM     (No. 9056317)

GOP: Determined to appease the enemy and alienate the base. In other words, stuck on stupid.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: TinCan, 12/9/2012 10:10:39 AM     (No. 9056346)

GOP establisment just loves the pain and embarassment; ergo Masochists

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Reply 4 - Posted by: fiddle ed, 12/9/2012 10:19:02 AM     (No. 9056356)

The GOP, as we have known it, is toast. The recent actions of purging conservatives and the Tea Party supporters was a well deserved suicide. Rather silly as Obama and the liberals are in the process of destroying it anyway.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: StormCnter, 12/9/2012 10:32:52 AM     (No. 9056372)

This is pretty much the same article as the earlier Greenfield piece, also posted by this OP. The point is a good one, that the party is splintered. The cause, however, is a matter for debate and the fix is even more difficult to figure out.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: lylacat, 12/9/2012 10:42:08 AM     (No. 9056393)

As long as the Republicans keep a person like Boehner in as their leader, they will continue to fail. Boehner is no leader, and he needs to go. Very soon.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 12/9/2012 10:46:28 AM     (No. 9056403)

Boehner is wetting his pants over the fiscal cliff - the GOP is going to get blamed no matter what, so they might as well get blamed while doing what´s right - pass a budget that cuts spending and let Reid and BO deal with it.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 12/9/2012 10:59:26 AM     (No. 9056425)

No price being paid? I wonder if the author will feel the same way in 2014. We here in reality land are just keeping our powder dry. No sense in wasting it.

Karma, like payback, is a you know what. I just hope that the bite leaves a very deep mark so that the RINO elites get it finally. But I doubt it.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sunsong, 12/9/2012 11:00:41 AM     (No. 9056428)

Obama won because people did not know who Romney was. Was he the reasonable guy who debated Obama in October or was the extremist who defeated the other GOP extremists for the nomination? Romney wasn´t authentic during the primaries and people didn´t know who he really was.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: starboard, 12/9/2012 11:59:09 AM     (No. 9056509)

What irritates me more than anything is the self destruction coming from the GOP. They look and sound weak and in the process make Obama and the Dems look better than they are. As difficult as it is to swallow, the election is over...We lost, and we need to suck it up and move forward...quietly, organized, and determined more than ever. I´m optimistic that the country will correct itself from this regime. Look what we accomplished in 2010. When the Dems got slaughtered in 2010, they didn´t implode or start to destroy their base. No, they decided to coalesce, lie, distort and do whatever it takes to win 2012. We must remain strong and win in 2014 and 2016.

For those who want to get rid of Boehner as Speaker or get enough Republicans to vote him out, should think of the possibility of getting Pelosi back as speaker. I wouldn´t be surprised if the Dems have a strategy on their drawing board to accomplish this very thing at this time. Especially while the Republicans continue to implode. That old saying "plan your work and work your plan." Well, the GOP doesn´t seem to have a plan and better get one fast.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: redmom, 12/9/2012 12:09:52 PM     (No. 9056523)

The Establishment Republicans are now Blue Dog democrats. There is no Republican party anymore.

The TEA Party didn´t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party kicked its base out of the tent, then moved left.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: lawdoc, 12/9/2012 12:12:07 PM     (No. 9056526)

We should quit using the term RHINO. Let´s face it. Those moderate, establishment appeasers are the true Republicans. We conservative, Constitutionalist, Tea Partiers are the ones who are not really Republicans, so participating in the GOP makes us the true RHINOs and the only alternative is a new party. The true GOPers, i.e. establishment will not cede their power voluntarily.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Browneyes, 12/9/2012 12:31:36 PM     (No. 9056546)

The TEA Party had an excellent idea: fiscal discipline,smaller government and adherance to the Constitution. Splitting into ideological subgroups is what caused the failure. Also,there are simply too many faux spokespersons whose pronoucements are the only pronouncements ever heard.

Thus,that begets more faux pronouncements and creates division among the ideologes. A no win situation.

I doubt the origional Patriots argued whether it was best to use guns or swords while @ Lexington,or questioned if their fellow soldiers were ideologically constrained by anything other than being anti-tax.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Spidey, 12/9/2012 12:41:46 PM     (No. 9056561)

Boehner cracking down on tea party members may be a stunt to make it look like "tea party extremists" aren´t controlling Boehner´s.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 12/9/2012 1:16:21 PM     (No. 9056593)

The GOP has lost my support. Full stop. There may be Repbulican candidates I´ll support in the future but the GOP is no mor to me. Not a dime, not a penny, not an ounce of effort on their behalf. I´ve didn´t vote for my local RINO in the primaries, and his staff has already taken my message that if he votes like a Democrat, next time we will vote for the Democrat.

It´s not a civil war, it´s an abandonment.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Penney, 12/9/2012 2:34:27 PM     (No. 9056666)

The OLD GOP ´fossil´ pols so set in their loosing ways, have not only managed to push ´Independent´ voters away, but they are increasingly shoving their base under the bus as well! In their haste to appear as among the current radicalized statist PC gang entrenched inside the beltway social scene, as well as in NYC, LA, SFO & Chicago, these same-old, same-old loosing GOP, ´leaders,´ have actually managed to offend EVERYONE! ...How smart is THAT?!!

The GOP needs new leadership if they can´t bring themselfives to faithfully respect & keep their own voluntarily sworn oaths of office! ...It´s their Constitutional duty.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: tisHimself, 12/9/2012 2:48:17 PM     (No. 9056679)

When Reagan found that the democratic party had left him, he didn´t go 3rd party, he changed affiliation and highlighted those aspects of the opposition party he found appealing. There are opportunities to outflank liberal republicans and regain the conservative message as a democrat. If the establishment attempts to foist Jeb Bush on us for 2016, Chris Christie would be foolish not to consider running as a prolife, antiGovernment democrat.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: yuban, 12/9/2012 3:02:52 PM     (No. 9056694)

Turn out the lights.....

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Reply 19 - Posted by: dman, 12/9/2012 3:12:37 PM     (No. 9056702)

FTA:"Conservatives are threatening to walk out, but there aren’t that many places to walk to."

This is where Greenfield gets it wrong. They can walk to a third party of their own. He falls into the trap that a third party must amass a majority. Not true. It must only deny absolute majority to the two "major" big-tent parties. Then it can leverage it´s votes to influence one of the big-two to respond to its concerns.

Witness the Conservative Party in NY. That is the template.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/9/2012 4:50:57 PM     (No. 9056777)

The Tea party doesn´t need leaders or any of the other party apparatus. They need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils, and vote only for candidates with a proven record of shrinking government. Stay far away from the GOP. New political movements take time, a lot of time. The establishment GOP will always try to co-opt and destroy libertarianism, so the best defense is to avoid contact, and to identify and root out any GOPs who show up.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: plumnellie, 12/9/2012 5:15:28 PM     (No. 9056800)

Our Repub leaders know most of us are blowing off steam...but they are wrong this time. I think the mid terms will end up costing Boehner his beloved Speakership. No I don´t want the Dems in charge but at this time in history the Repubs have no support because they scorn the Tea Party and conservatives. If they would fight and say be d......to what the blame media says about them we could rally. But the Party of Stupid is weak, clueless, and careless of anything but their own paychecks. I despise our so called leaders in both parties. With DeMint gone there is no one I respect.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: belwhatter, 12/9/2012 8:16:44 PM     (No. 9056979)

There is groundswell of discontent and displeasure afoot across the nation. The two party system no longer presents a way forward, therefore logic says the new party must come forward and truly represent and uphold the founders ideals. The real power will lie with this new third party. It already enjoys support of one third of the country if stats are to be believed - what is stopping us?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: TXknitter, 12/10/2012 12:26:01 AM     (No. 9057155)

The Tea Party being discussed by the consultants, pundits, even some Republicans on the Hill as if we were some diseased flesh which must be cut way in order to return the body back to health. The GOP showing its arrogance and cluelessness.

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