New York City fast food workers are expected to walk off the job this morning in a one-day strike, Josh Eidelson at Salon reports. The chains involved are McDonald´s, Wendy´s, Burger King, KFC, Domino´s, Taco Bell and Papa John´s. Why are the workers walking out? "They´re not paying us enough to survive," 21-year-old McDonald´s worker Raymond Lopez tells Salon. "This company has enough money to pay us a reasonable amount for all that we do … they’re just not going to give it to us as long as they can get away with it."
This generation of spoiled idiots will probably go to their graves without understanding that in the long and real term it is the market that determines the wages. Not the state of the employers´ treasury. Voters below 30 gave the Kenyan Socialist 5 million more votes and put him over the top. Surprised?
Post election. Not a coincidence. Mich will be no doubt be thrilled. Think of all that nasty fast food that won´t get served to her target audience. I hope all of these people who strike will lose their jobs.
Maybe people like us should offer to fill in for the strikers until they can train new crews who appreciate the work.
Ok then, Raymond Lopez, hopefully welfare will pay you enough to survive, since you are now fired.
When they post your position, I´m sure they will have 300 people apply for it.
You are an unskilled, undeducated worker, that can be replaced by someone who can be trained to do what you do in about 15 minutes. You really don´t have any leverage to demand anything from your employer.
But this is clearly a nØbama voter, so trying to use logic or reason in explaining this to him is totally useless...
Throw the entire bunch out onto the streets. Someone else will take their jobs.
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The Architect, 11/30/2012 10:04:37 AM (No. 9041067)
Well Ray, now you can see what not paying attention to your studies and having a real good time in school has earned you. If they´re not paying you enough, why don´t you get a job somewhere else?! Maybe you should upgrade your skill set first so someone will want to hire you. Putting together burgers and pulling fries out of the deep fryer is not exactly rocket science and the world does not owe you a living either.
Are you kidding? Even the manager just makes $8.75? I wouldn´t want them unionized, but I couldn´t live on $8.75 here in the south let alone NYC, and the regular workers are probably not even making $8.00 an hour. Stay high-handed and arrogant, folks.. who needs the White House anyway.
McDOnald´s managers can make upwards of $90K a year, plus bennies. In NYC, it hits the high end. I know waiters in Hotels in NYC who make over $100K a year. To take the word of a 21 year old socialist moron regarding management pay is foolish, or the sole province of a liberal. Which are you, #13?
OK, I´ll stick up for the workers wanting more pay. Fast food provides the only jobs available for many of these people, and most importantly they are actually working, not just waiting for a handout from Obama. The system can be and has been scammed, so these people really don´t have to work, but it seems they retain some shred of dignity that comes with being gainfully employed. If all fast food workers quit en masse there would be a lot of ldotters who would miss their fast food fixes. If they unionize they will probably destroy the industry, so the industry should do whatever they possibly can to improve wages without passing too much along to the public in the way of higher prices. And even higher prices are ok if the people making and serving the food have better attitudes towards the customers.
Seems like the disgruntled forget that jobs at McDonald´s are career starting job: you earn some money and benefits and learn customer service. If you think you are going to be rich and can afford to feed a family on what you make on such jobs, you are deluded. It´s enough for spending money and getting to the next job -- for which you will need more experience than just flipping hamburgers. Of course, the leftists think we should be millionaires just because we have politically correct thoughts and are trying really hard to do a good job -- no mention of achievement or progression.
This is what you call an entry-level job. But even at McDonalds, if you are dependable and work hard, you will soon be promoted and will be able to make more money at McD´s. Or, more likely, you will be able to get a better, higher paying job somewhere else, on the strength of your good job record at McD´s. At least that´s the way it worked before we became Obamaworld.
Poster #17, why do you assume that better attituded will arise from better pay? Likely the worker will become arrogant, that he put one over on the man, and why didn´t he get paid the increased wage before the "job action"?
Don´t you think that a company like McD always looks to the magic point that balances the labor cost and the price to the customer?
SO many issues here. These types of jobs are what´s called "entry level", hence low pay, low skill-level and high turnover. They are not intended to be careers nor a way of fully supporting a family. Come on guys, get a life, education, a career path. But in Obama´s world, econ 101 doesn´t exist - only the evil, rich corporations keeping the man down.
Workers at fast food restaurants are usually polite and interested in my town. The ones that show attitude are soon challenged and the manager alerted. This is due to the high unemployment. In the past the workers were jiving and lazy and ignoring customers. They were dirty and loud among themselves. I think a raise is good if the worker shows he/she has put in the hard work..but not across the board just to sooth the entitlement attitudes.
I predict a Wal-Mart sized bust. On a broader note--as the economy continues toward rigor mortis, I expect we´ll see a lot more of this kind of thing as some folks get desperate to find some way of getting by--short of actually working harder, getting a second job, or something that requires real effort, that is.
McDonald´s is actually not a bad company to work for. They firmly believe in promoting hard workers. They offer benefits (Health, Disability, Life Insurance). They have a scholarship program and are famous for their management training program-- it´s one of the best out there. Hamburger University, the McDonald´s training facility in Oak Brook, Il, offers programs from the Kellogg School of Business. Smart McDonald´s employees know they can actually make something of themselves by doing their job well. Ray Kroc didn´t go to college and flipped burgers too don´t cha know...
McD figured out long ago that ultimately the customer sets the price of its food. If they charge too little they will be swamped with buyers and if they charge too much they will have few customers. The same applies to workers. If an employee wants a raise he has to show management that he generates more value to the business. What he ´needs´ does not matter.
Hey, dude, it´s fast food not a lifetime career. It´s for retirees and kids. You want to earn a living get a job skill that is needed in the 21st century. Flippin´ burgers and shaking the grease off fries ain´t gonna´ cut it and it never was suppose to.
I´d bet a Happy Meal [offer void in California and NYC] ol´ Ray never heard of Elbert Hubbard. I´d bet a Quarter Pounder [see disclaimer] he´s never read Hubbard´s short essay, "Initiative" [which I highly recommend to all]. And, "A Message to Garcia"? Hey, I deserve a break today!
Look, Ray, there are plenty of sweet 6-figure jobs to be had. Get a military commission via ROTC or appointment to [and graduation from] a military service academy. Get through flight school; survive several years of active-duty military flying. Sign on with a major airline -- bingo! Or, knock the SAT outta the park; do a bang-up job in a good pre-med program; get into a good med school [preferably one in the US] -- hey, once you´re accepted, that tasty MD degree [which, as you know, means "Me Doctor"] is all but guaranteed. A couple years to certify in the "right" specialty, and baby -- $200K time! Par-tay! Or maybe you have real intuitive mechanical understanding? Knock out a quick 10 years traveling the country; work for many of the finest engineering companies; learn all about pumps [eye of the curve, remember!], heat exchangers [shell and tube; plate and frame; and more], pull spaces, compatibility of materials, the Galvanic Series, flow rates, placing flowmeters to have the right number of pipe diameters upstream and downstream [watch those out-of-plane elbows, Rayster!], 2-piece ball valves, 3-piece ball valves, reduced-port ball valves, full-port ball valves, blow-out-proof stems, MOVs, all those other valves, intrinsically-safe instrumentation, PSIG versus PSIA, SCFM versus ACFM, NPSH, know Section 15700 like the sports pages -- you can earn a nice living. If you don´t mind betting your job, and people´s lives, on maybe 1/4 to 1/2 of your decisions? Well, Ray? I got more ideas, my man....
Sir, You are 21. You can do what we make our low paid, inexperienced children do: Get several roommates, get a second job (besides the full time jobs they already work,) and accumulate savings and experience.
On second thought, since your hero gave us Zerocare, you will probably only be able to get part time jobs, so get three of those.
If you want more money, do something that is of more value. It takes time and patience, and you aren´t going to have what your parents took 20 years or more to accrue, when you move out for the first time. It´s called work for a reason. If you don´t like what McDonald´s pays you for the work you are doing, quit. This isn´t the U.S.S.R. yet, so you can change jobs if you are unsatisfied.
If 21-year-old McDonald´s worker Raymond Lopez does not like what his employer pays, the fastest way to higher pay is to FIND ANOTHER EMPLOYER. In spite of what he may have picked up in the public schools, the world does not owe him a living. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
Get experience and get a better job. I don´t want people to spend a lifetime working at McDonalds unless they are moving up to manager. of course, I will pretend to support them in this pay dispute as who wants spit in their burgers?
This should surprise none of us. These are the same dimwits who gave us Mr. Obama.
Jobs at McDonalds, Walmart, etc., are only supposed to be entry-level and/or part-time positions. What is so hard to understand about that? If they can´t find another job, they can do what me and my husband did when we needed extra income--babysat, delivered pizzas, typed at home, cut grass, etc.
Some jobs are not for making a living; they´re for extra income or for those in a household where others are also working. Or for those entering the work force.
I´ve been the sole employee in my business for 30 years. Many days I have worked over 12 hours and made no money. Should someone guarantee me a "living profit"?
Message: don´t like the job, LEAVE IT! Don´t like the pay, GET ANOTHER JOB! There are about 18 hours a day available for working. If you don´t like what you make and are not working 18 hours a day....SHUT THE HELL UP!
Just a thought. I am in healthcare - I work in an Alzheimer’s Facility. I am Middle Management but I make less than $15 and hour and I have been with this company 4 years. My average employee makes $8 to $9 an hour unless they are a CNA then we pay them $10 an hour. They do get benefits, however most do not take advantage of them because most employees have a spouse whose benefits are more cost effective. I am in the reverse situation, I carry the health insurance for our entire family and it takes a third of my monthly check. But I am here to tell you the night shift manager at the McDonalds up the street from our "SKILLED´ Facility makes more an hour than our highest paid Nursing Aid. Not sure if this is average for our industry but I find it funny that McDonalds employees want more than I make.
I´ll keep this brief... an employer was being forced to reduce his workforce and was agonizing terribly.....he happened to be walking thru the parking lot and he noticed several bama stickers ... found a solution immediately!!
If he wants $15/hr. to work fast food, he just needs to buy a bus ticket to North Dakota. All the people in N.D. with a brain and strong back are pulling down big bucks in the oil patch, leaving a shortage for the minimum-wage jobs.
The McDonald workers should go riot at the WH. Obama is giving them 8% real inflation, $4 gas, and increased health insurance premiums. The unions are forcing them to pay more for their vehicles and other products so the unions will have more to spend and can retire early, while the McDonald worker works on and on. McDonald workers are the socialist´s slaves.
Pay commensurate with the job skill you bring to the employer, nothing more nothing less. It´s call barter system, that´s why doctors get more and can price themselves up to where the market bear. I make 100K plus a year as a Systems Engineer for a fortune 500 Engineering firm. If I want more, then I should look for another company to work for that will accommodate my desire, just demanding a pay raise is plain rude and annoying.
I remember reading a book that featured the four horsemen of the apocalypse (sp?).
In modern time, Famine was the CEO of a fast food corporation. His crowning achievement was designing a cheap ´tasty´ meal where a person would become fat, but would eventually starve to death if they ate fast food every day.
That is my image of the fast food industry. Ugh.
Working in the fast food industry was never meant to be permanent employment.
I used to work at McDonalds, back when I was 16 an had just got my drivers license. It was a fun job but it was entry level and I got 5.50/hr. Someone should tell 21 year old Lopez that unless you´re a manager in a place like that you make minimum wage and that´s it. What does he think that a burger flipper should make? My advice him is that he needs to go to school to get more skills for a better paying job.
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