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Parting Company
Creators Syndicate, by Walter E. Williams

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/28/2012 6:03:21 AM

For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways. Since Barack Obama´s re-election,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mws50, 11/28/2012 6:17:34 AM     (No. 9037051)


And Dr. Williams pens another excellent column.


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Reply 2 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 11/28/2012 6:25:27 AM     (No. 9037064)

We have an illegitimate political system and an illegitimate government. For some time I have recognized that the struggle for freedom against totalitarian socialism will not be resolved by politics. It´s time to split the country, but it won´t happen soon enough. In the meantime, I do what I can to separate myself from the government, from the totalitarians, I avoid paying taxes as much as I can, I don;t do business with liberals, and I wait for some leadership and organization.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 11/28/2012 6:53:08 AM     (No. 9037091)

I think there may be ways to do a virtual secession without going through the formalities and deaths that would occur when Zero turned the military´s might against the people. I´m thinking of ways to cut off the money. You should be too.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: dman, 11/28/2012 7:00:56 AM     (No. 9037105)

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature´s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. ... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." (Emphasis mine.)

Back to basics. Dr. Williams has it absolutely correct. The first Civil War did not settle the issue - it suppressed it.

The U.S.A. is not the "roach motel". States have the right to leave the union. Stiff penalties upon re-entry are appropriate, however.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: bubby, 11/28/2012 8:08:47 AM     (No. 9037170)

I would propose a confederation of red and blue states sharing only the cost of the military. The red states would get the conservative supreme court, lower taxes, fewer regulations, a safety net for the handicapped, no welfare, nothing for illegals and the boy scouts. The aclu would be banned. The blue states would get all the rest, higher taxes, welfare, more regulations, all the illegals etc. Every four years each state could vote to become a blue or red state. I just wonder how long it would take to change the whole country red?

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Reply 6 - Posted by: JLoophole, 11/28/2012 8:14:04 AM     (No. 9037180)

Love it #5. And we should get the Statue of Liberty. Once the stupor wore off from the utopian blues, guarantee we would have a serious illegal immigration problem... From the other side.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: bpl40, 11/28/2012 8:25:59 AM     (No. 9037197)

The subjugated States here are not a cohesive geographic unit but consist of dispersed ´givers´ to the parasites, spread all across the land. They should simply stop paying Federal taxes, in a peaceful organized movement of civil disobedience. Gandhi couldn´t be put in jail or tortured because there were 330 million supporting him, ready to go to behind bars.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Pepper Tree, 11/28/2012 8:28:20 AM     (No. 9037202)

Mr. Walter has caused me to rethink The War of Northern Agression. Exactly how was breaking from King George different from breaking with King Lincoln or King Barack?

If there was to be a split, the difference between the two would be as stark as NORKs and South Koreans. It would be absolutely neccessary for Constitutional States to be ajoined. Otherwise, having to travel through statist territories to reach another friendly state would be like trekking through a jungle of starving cannibals.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Felixcat, 11/28/2012 8:54:05 AM     (No. 9037239)

Exactly #8 - one may not have agreed with the Confederacy and wanting to keep slavery as the receason for seceeding, but thay were legally right to do so if they felt their rights were being violated.



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Reply 10 - Posted by: dolphin, 11/28/2012 8:54:06 AM     (No. 9037241)

Mega dittos Professor Williams!

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Reply 11 - Posted by: WAN2, 11/28/2012 8:57:01 AM     (No. 9037246)

Barry will not allow free men (ahem, producers) off his plantation.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: MattMusson, 11/28/2012 9:00:11 AM     (No. 9037249)

Are there is issues and crises that would actually prod states into secession?

Of Course.

The Bureaucrats in Washington do not have a blank check.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/28/2012 9:10:38 AM     (No. 9037269)

The unions have seized our government and vote themselves high salaries and early pensions. The electorate votes themselves income redistributed from the responsible. The elections are fraudulent. There is nothing in this arrangement for responsible and productive people. It is time to withdraw.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: On fire, 11/28/2012 9:15:22 AM     (No. 9037281)

Nice one #11, I think I can make a bumper sign out of that!

Meanwhile, I´m trying to avoid companies with blue state headquarters - Sears, Chase, Target etc. GM & Chrysler were history ages ago.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Crosscut, 11/28/2012 9:15:58 AM     (No. 9037283)

Sounds good in theory. But, the parasites, like roaches, will flock to the red states to be taken care of. Bringing their crime, illegitimate breedings, drug habits and ignorance with them.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: STLstudent, 11/28/2012 9:19:22 AM     (No. 9037287)

Secession is the only peaceful option. If we continue down the current path there will eventually be 1861 Part 2. For those of you who attended government propaganda centers known as "Public Education", 1861 was the year the so-called American Civil War started.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: trapper, 11/28/2012 9:26:10 AM     (No. 9037298)

Barack Hussein Obama is determined to destroy the America we love, but we´ll show him! We´ll destroy it ourselves. Seriously?

Sigh.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: JimK1, 11/28/2012 9:33:55 AM     (No. 9037317)

Civil War II will not be as pretty as the first one. It may be more necessary, it may be more righteous, but it will not be as pretty unless the military has had enough and decides to stick with the Constitution and ditch Zippy. If the military splinters, I hate to think of the results.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/28/2012 9:49:57 AM     (No. 9037348)

The division was already voted in on November 6. -- and it´s an easy one. Take a look at the electoral rsults map. Blue America, or Greater Moonbattia -- as I prefer to think of it, runs up the Pacific Coast, through Washington State, then across the Northern Tier to the Great Lakes Region and thence across to Ohio and the Mid-Atlantic States and down to Maryland.

Some states should be split: For example, eastern California (red) v. Coastal California (Blue), similarly Washington and Oregon. Ohio should be split into Northern and Southern Ohio, Northern Ohio (Blue) -- including Cleveland (ultra blue), no great loss, while Southern Ohio (red) can join the free states. Similarly, Pennsylvania, with Eastern PA (including Philadelphia) obviously being a "keystone" of Moonbattia SSR. I don´t know what you do about South Florida a/k/a Brooklyn with Palm Trees, except I have been wanting to build a wall around it since it has begun spreading up to my neck of the woods.

As for the capital-- how about a new one in the middle of the country, as in Omaha or Wichita or Tulsa?



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Reply 20 - Posted by: Arby, 11/28/2012 9:53:59 AM     (No. 9037357)

The ´irreconcilability´ comes from democrat irrationality and hate. They hate the rich so they want to raise taxes. Read the piece today on Drudge--Britain did that and lost billions in tax revenue. However, Obama thinks it´s fair to cut off his nose to spite his face. How can you ´reconcile´ or ´compromise´ with people who are, fundamentally, ideologically-driven idiots?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: smcchk, 11/28/2012 10:01:06 AM     (No. 9037381)

My husband and I are planning to buy property in a red state. Things could get much worse and we would rather ride it out in a red state than our blue.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/28/2012 10:12:21 AM     (No. 9037402)

W O W... This article gave me goose bumps. This is the most powerful, succinctly stated summary of all that I believe about where we are today and what was so evil about Lincoln and what the North did to the South in the civil war. Sure, the South was in the wrong as well (never should have fired upon Sumpter, for one thing), but the South should have been allowed to govern itself as its people wanted and thus let the North "prove" that their approach was better. Lincoln was he second worst president this country has ever had. He followed Marx´s communist manifesto point #4:

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

see http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html


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Reply 23 - Posted by: andyboy, 11/28/2012 10:16:17 AM     (No. 9037406)

Thank you, #5, #8 and #20 for your good thoughts.

What I wouldn´t give to see two separate countries, Red America and Blue America. Within 10 years, the contrast between the two would be greater than the current contrast between South Korea and North Korea (and for the same reasons).

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Reply 24 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/28/2012 10:27:03 AM     (No. 9037422)

It is all said here:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/divorce-agreement-between-conservatives-and-liberals/question-2673469/

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/28/2012 10:29:23 AM     (No. 9037429)

I responded above before I read the other posts...

I have been lurking on this site since 2002 and posting since 2004 and this is probably my favorite thread I have ever seen here. Fantastic article, super-high quality comments from all ldotters. I just wish we had the gumption to take action (and maybe we do, but I am not yet seeing it).

I would say that #5´s solution is closest to a practical solution which we could actually realize. I seem to recall Romney discussing the idea of pushing the responsibility for all social programs down to the states to avoid the national redistribution problem. When I heard Romney talk about those ideas, I really thought we had some real hope.

I really like the idea of the federal government´s funding being paid by the states, and not the people of the states. This allows each state to decide how to raise revenue, and each state could form its own approach. May the best state win.


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Reply 26 - Posted by: Susannah, 11/28/2012 10:38:41 AM     (No. 9037449)

What do you propose to do with the blue inhabitants of red states? Imprison them? Exile them? Kill them? 41.34% of Texans voted for Obama. They may not leave willingly. Should they be stripped of their citizenship and deported to New York or California?

And what about the red states that have many more takers than makers: South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, and Kentucky? They get more federal money than they pay in taxes. Will the more affluent red states support them?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/28/2012 10:41:16 AM     (No. 9037457)

Dear Liberal run Companies,

It has come to my attention you are supportive of Socialistic policies for the running of America.

I on the other hand have chosen to NOT do business with your company in any fashion.

Thank you for being honest about your ill intentions for our great Country. See you in Bankruptcy court!

Citizen of America, Fed up with Liberal Lies!

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Reply 28 - Posted by: owl, 11/28/2012 10:44:38 AM     (No. 9037464)

The Red states produce - food and energy . And if the big , worn-out city ( think Detroit , Pittsburgh, Cleveland ) panhandlers don´t stop , and leave us alone , sorry , no more handouts . We´re sick and tired of puling your cart when all you can do is shout " faster " .

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Butch59, 11/28/2012 10:49:23 AM     (No. 9037477)

IF it could be accomplished (secession) it would necessarily need to have an in place plan (Constitution) ready for the states to accept. The current Constitution would be used with some modifications (term limits being on. And others that space does not permit me to list). It would be a good start.

As for Obozo turning loose the military on red state America like Lincoln did, I´m not too sure that would work in today´s world. Simply because, if I´m not mistaken, the majority of service members come from red states. Those that live in the blue states, large population centers, and receiving their "entitlement" don´t usually join the military. It´s too hard and has too much discipline for them to handle. So I really don´t think that our good and brave soldiers, sailors, and airmen are going to turn on American. Especially at the whim of Obozo. Most of them don´t like him anyway.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: owl, 11/28/2012 10:55:59 AM     (No. 9037501)

I jumped too 26 . But to add to #20 , Northern Ca. has wanted to secede from Moonbattia for some time . Conservative farmers who have had to fight the likes of Boxer and watch their crops die because of a fish . Fresh vegs. we´d have on our side . I can hear SF howl ...

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Reply 31 - Posted by: mickturn, 11/28/2012 10:57:51 AM     (No. 9037508)

#27, the answer is very simple if you go to the core problem. People who receive welfare in various forms are either disabled (for real), too lazy to work, unemployeed due to bad Obama policies, or on the dole due to lax laws passed by Liberals.

Answer: For the truly disabled, we help them, for the unemployeed we help them get jobs but if they are really slackers we cut them off, for the lazy and on the dole we cut them off as well, AND we make it so those that don´t work cannot vote. Soon the lazy and slackers will either get jobs or leave for Blue states for their continuing freebees. Problem solved!

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/28/2012 11:00:14 AM     (No. 9037514)

#27 blue inhabitants of red states would be welcome to stay and would benefit from the freedoms and opportunity the rest of us would enjoy. Now, if they were in need of heavy mooching, it would behoove them to relocate to the blue states since there would be no such thing as "government support" in red states (one would hope). And blue state citizens would be welcome to relocate to a red state, as long as they are self-sufficient and don´t expect any government handouts.


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Reply 33 - Posted by: BorninOKC, 11/28/2012 11:05:27 AM     (No. 9037525)

A problem with succession, or the Balkanization of America, call it what you will is that very soon those who opted for the "blue" side would want to move to the "red."

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Reply 34 - Posted by: snakeoil, 11/28/2012 11:17:26 AM     (No. 9037550)

Succession is an emotional reaction to our current situation. Can you see all 57 states with their own currency, post office, etc. Would you like it if you were driving to another state and were stopped by customs and had to declare what you´ve got. What about the gold in Fort Knox? Who gets that. We´re stuck with this country. And the country is over because a majority of the voters see the role of government is to steal from the workers and give to the bums.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Quigley, 11/28/2012 11:29:51 AM     (No. 9037575)

If a state were to secede, it could simply implement a propaganda policy aimed at making the Gullible Class (ie, dimocrats) believe that there was free money in California and the seceding state would soon be free of the Morons in Our Midst.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Rafter, 11/28/2012 11:38:54 AM     (No. 9037591)

Time to refloat my recent proposal...
for the...
Divided States of America.

The Heartland Red States will happily wave Buh-Bye to the following general regions...
What I like to call...
The Four Corners (plus Chicago-Madison area)

Coastal California consisting of Liberoids...
Puget Sound area plus Hawaii...
South Florida Liberoid areas...
Northeast from No. Virg Suburbs of DC to Maine including Philly, etc...
Great Lakes Liberoids in Chicago and Wisconsin...

The Four Corners (The Divided States of America)...
can have the Liberoid Agenda...

The Red States of the Heartland remain normal traditional America...
Ronald Reagan´s America.

Works for me.
Gotta go... this is the short speedy version...

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Reply 37 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/28/2012 11:56:37 AM     (No. 9037622)

I am a lineal descendent of men who stoof barefoot in mud and ice, firing upon Washington empowered Blue Coats to literally save the Constitution.

To Save The Constitution

“When the South raised its sword against the Union’s Flag, it was in defense of the Union’s Constitution.”
Confederate General John B. Gordon

“Instead of friends, I see in Washington only mortal enemies. Instead of loving the old flag of the stars and stripes, I see in it only the symbol of murder, plunder, oppression, and shame.”
Rose O’Neal Greenhow, Confederate Spy



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Reply 38 - Posted by: kanphil, 11/28/2012 12:32:01 PM     (No. 9037679)

Dr Williams raised this issue before, I think around the time of Obie´s first coronation. He clearly doesn´t think the danger has subsided in the meantime. People who love the Constitution are being pushed beyond their power to abide the abuse. Maybe red states can reclaim some of their sovereignty through negotiation, and achieve a "soft landing". But if not, blood will flow.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: strike3, 11/28/2012 12:47:32 PM     (No. 9037712)

I like all of your suggestions for a peaceful settlement of the liberal parisitism that has us in its grip. Most of the ideas would work provided that the liberals could live without our money.

Prepare for violence because they can´t and it won´t be peaceful.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: tgoggin, 11/28/2012 1:11:02 PM     (No. 9037749)

Just a matter of time...I would welcome it.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Talega, 11/28/2012 1:20:10 PM     (No. 9037762)

Hey #6, ever notice Lady Liberty raises her torch with her right hand?

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Reply 42 - Posted by: chance_232, 11/28/2012 1:51:30 PM     (No. 9037814)

The first myth about the "civil war" is that it was a "Civil War". A civil war is where opposing sides fight for control of the country. The so called "civil war" would be better called any of the following:

The War of Northern Agression
The Unpleasantness Between the States
The War of Southern Session
The War of of Southern Independance
The Southern Revolution.

The second myth of the civil war is that it was fought over "slavery". Slavery was adopted by Lincoln as a justification to wage war on the Confederate States of America in order to gain the "moral high ground". The north may have been anti-slavery, but they were and continue to be more racist than anything that I´ve seen in the south.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: Sheepfarmer, 11/28/2012 2:04:58 PM     (No. 9037826)

This article made me change my views on the civil war, and on secession. Just the thought of an America where conservative principles rule makes me feel hopeful. Thank you, Walter Williams.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Grambo, 11/28/2012 2:27:54 PM     (No. 9037857)

A serious national discussion of this matter might awaken some of the bubble-dwellers of the realities serious minded people recognize and are preparing to deal with, relative to their utopian fantasies and arrogant parasitic predation on the producers in this country.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: lawless11, 11/28/2012 2:31:23 PM     (No. 9037866)

Is anyone else concerned with the number of high ranking military officials that have been recently released, resigned or reassigned? Is this a purge of loyalty?

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Reply 46 - Posted by: mainecoonmama, 11/28/2012 2:41:15 PM     (No. 9037881)

Well, we better hurry up and do it! This younger generation (not all, but most) would never have it in them to secede.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: OhMy, 11/28/2012 3:08:14 PM     (No. 9037942)

How could separation be unconstitutional in light of the first words of the Declaration of Independence...
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature´s God entitle them"
If America separated from England why could a state not separate from the USA?

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 11/28/2012 3:20:02 PM     (No. 9037972)

Oh, this is just the beginning of the beginning of the dismantling of the United States of America. The disaster is just starting to unfold it´s webbed wings to display its full glory. We are in for a hell ride and all we can do now is hold on.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 11/28/2012 3:31:48 PM     (No. 9037996)

Now, wait. Think. The Southern States successfully achieved secession. The remaining states in the Union had raised no huge levy of forces, or up-armed. The Union had surrendered most arsenals, equipment and supplies, though some more jealous Federal agents burned their depots rather than let the Confederacy have them. It was a peaceful secession altogether. And them came the issue over Ft. Sumter and the Southern hotheads fired a shot in anger at a legally held Federal military base. It was on! If the Southerners had simply held their peace and had refrained from going to violence, merely for violence sake, they would to this day still be an independent nation. Secession is one thing- a declaration of war is entirely another.

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Reply 50 - Posted by: thelmalou, 11/28/2012 3:45:39 PM     (No. 9038018)

Wow. what a great article. I do love me some Walter E. Williams. ;)


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Reply 51 - Posted by: RightShoe, 11/28/2012 4:40:30 PM     (No. 9038117)

It´s been said that conservatives can live our lives quite happily without liberals. Liberals, on the other hand, couldn´t last a week without conservatives.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: little guy, 11/28/2012 4:44:45 PM     (No. 9038130)

It all depends on how you perceive the Union part of "united" states. In the 1860´s, the south felt the union was like joining a club or a church. If you don´t like the rules, you are free to leave and go to another club or down the road to another church. That would be how Jeff Davis and others felt. Many other people, however, felt the union was more like a marriage. You can´t get a divorce without permission. You can´t just walk out. That´s how Lincoln (the lawyer) felt. Many southerners who voted to leave the union were the same guys who had voted to ENTER the union. (Especially in Texas. Thus, they thought they could just leave.

The south, however, had "benefited" from the marriage (harbors, roads, forts, bridges, etc) and owed a bill to the other states for these services. Many civil war historians actually believe that had the southern states united in a federal law suit and sued to leave the union, they would have won the right to do so in Congress. However,part of the divorce settlement meant paying "alimony" to the other states for awhile and many southerners didn´t want that. Sadly, it led to a hot war too soon. We all know the rest. Lincoln, like Obama, didn´t let the crisis go to waste. He used that as an excuse to fight back (knowing he had more resources) and got what he wanted down deep. The end of slavery --- as well as preserving the Union.



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Reply 53 - Posted by: little guy, 11/28/2012 4:45:42 PM     (No. 9038132)

Part two;

Today, we may find ourselves like the U.S.S.R. when the Ukraine started to pull out. The Russian army refused to shoot their cousins (remember Yeltsin on the tank saying "shoot me!"). The good news is the U.S. military will never support Obama and fire on fellow Americans (as long as they don´t foolishly shoot first!) in which case "suing to leave the Union" is actually a quite viable option.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: Ribicon, 11/28/2012 5:03:54 PM     (No. 9038173)

A more recent estimate from a demographic historian in New York puts the death toll at 750,000 lives lost.
NY Times link:
http://tinyurl.com/c28s8zh

And another quote from H.L. Mencken:

"The American people, North and South, went into the [civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects, and what they thus lost they have never got back."

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Ribicon, 11/28/2012 5:06:54 PM     (No. 9038180)

#53, escalating taxation of the South to fund infrastructure development in the North was one of the triggers of the war. The South was the wealth generator at that point in time, not the other way around.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 11/28/2012 5:58:20 PM     (No. 9038274)

Thank you, Dr. Williams. My sentiments exactly.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: busterman, 11/28/2012 7:45:59 PM     (No. 9038408)

The military shouldn´t be an issue either. Every single member has taken an oath to the Constitution. Therefore, they do not hold allegiance to a particular political party.

If there are current military members who do not wish to remain loyal the Constitution, they may resign and become part of the Blue states.

The rest, and all of our national military assets, remain in or move to Red states.

And since we´re using the existing Constitution as the mechanism for secession, there´s no need to develop a new one.

What we WOULD need to do is prevent our adversaries from occupying Blue states. That could be a tricky situation.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: 4Justice, 11/28/2012 7:57:44 PM     (No. 9038424)

Here we go again... Nope, won´t work. #7, 15, 17 & 34 (to name a few) are correct. And yes, you would be not only creating balkinization but the red states will be cut off from most of the coastal ports which will hurt them the most. Williams is looking at the civil war too simplistically still. While the right of a state to secede is there, would it really be in that state´s or the country´s best interest to do so? The same reason exists today (if not more so) as existed in 1861 for not allowing secession to occur. It creates economic and military vulnerability. We would essentially be destroying any chance of restoring this great country and we would likely be taken over by foreign interests. And, is it right to cut families apart or to abandon those folks who have fought hard all these years to get their home states back from the leftists? BTW, Reagan´s "country" was California--not Kansas or Texas.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: RoseOfTexas, 11/28/2012 7:59:27 PM     (No. 9038427)

"41.34% of Texans voted for Obama. They may not leave willingly. Should they be stripped of their citizenship and deported to New York or California?"

Yes, please!

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Reply 60 - Posted by: TheMotherCO, 11/28/2012 9:20:16 PM     (No. 9038523)

I think this was a splendid article and thanks for posting it. I know my teachers in grade school were astounded when I told them I thought lincoln should have left the south alone and btw, there were not that many slaves in the south. You had to be wealthy to buy them from the europeans and the south had their cotton and raised their own food and they, for the most part, took care of the slaves as valuable property. Not right, but it was that time - Margaret Mitchell and Gone With the Wind is very accurate and well researched. My fav book.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 11/28/2012 10:03:48 PM     (No. 9038595)

Secession would only be achievable by war or forcing the federal government into insolvency. Both of these have very ugly outcomes...or, do we maintain the status quo, the left stays in control with a state-run media´s help, control of the schools, and control of banks, and control of our money.

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