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The GOP Turnout Myth
Wall Street Journal, by Kimberley Strassel

Original Article

Posted By:StormCnter, 11/23/2012 5:57:07 AM

To win the next presidential race, the GOP will have to understand what went wrong in 2012. To do that, they´ve got to come to grips with what did, and did not, happen with turnout. Even as Republicans have engaged in some agonizing over their candidate and agenda, many have sought comfort in the notion that a big part of the loss came down to simple mechanics. President Obama had a stunning Election Day operation, which turned out his base. Mitt Romney´s shop, by contrast, failed to get people to the polls.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: dman, 11/23/2012 7:00:32 AM     (No. 9030228)

Thus sayeth the Wall Streeters.

We need a new party.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/23/2012 7:03:44 AM     (No. 9030232)

Why did Romney even need a high powered turnout machine when he was facing the most incompetent self destroyer in history.? Obama´s main turnout machine was filling out absentee and early ballots which nobody has time to verify.Same day registration and voting is another problem as roving voters go from districts to district by the busload.

How can 30% of dems live in two states and have enough leftover to win so many other states?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: falconer, 11/23/2012 7:13:38 AM     (No. 9030236)

Is it possible for the Republicans to get 96% of the white vote? No way, never, nada. It is clear to see who the real racists are.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jntsrgn, 11/23/2012 7:26:39 AM     (No. 9030250)

Those minorities did not vote. They had votes cast for them. Vote fraud is the GOP´s biggest problem.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Kitty Myers, 11/23/2012 7:34:44 AM     (No. 9030266)

Voter fraud won the election for Barry, and the GOP helped because: "The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud."

I don´t think I can post the link, but just google and you´ll find it.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: escaped commieny, 11/23/2012 7:47:45 AM     (No. 9030286)

It´s true and needs to be overturned, however, this ruling does not control True The Vote, we did not have enough volunteers this year to cover all the polling places.
http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Grambo, 11/23/2012 8:13:40 AM     (No. 9030321)

I vote for the purple thumb voting system.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Rael, 11/23/2012 8:17:08 AM     (No. 9030327)

Part of the problem is that a lot of the so called ´christians´ who wouldn´t vote for Romney because he was a Mormon.

We need a new party, and we need to throw the social conservatives OUT. How social conservatives ever got associated with conservatives is beyond me (MSM perhaps?) but they do more HARM than good and are so stuck up that they´d rather let Obama win than vote for someone because they don´t like his religion. I held my nose and voted for the GOP this year, because I didn´t want Obama, and the GOP failed me.

I will no longer be voting for the GOP. I´m tired of associating with a party run by idiots and losers.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: LAW428, 11/23/2012 8:29:49 AM     (No. 9030353)

Kimberley, you´re either naive, or not very bright. The Dems cheat at elections; no more, no less.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: JimS, 11/23/2012 8:35:52 AM     (No. 9030370)

The two primary reasons why Urkel was re-elected by an ignorant, uninformed, unqualified to vote electorate were:
1. 24/7 Media bias
2. Election fraud and theft

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Reply 11 - Posted by: privateer, 11/23/2012 8:51:11 AM     (No. 9030392)

per 6, read this: http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/rnc-v-dnc.pdf

It´s hard to respect a party that willingly agreed to let the other party cheat it in perpetuity.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: curious1, 11/23/2012 8:55:01 AM     (No. 9030397)

@5,6,10 & 11 have the answer. Until vote fraud is viewed as a capital offense (after a fair, five minute trial) - as should all treason - these libtard weasels will continue to cheat.
It would help if the 30-40% of the population that agree with limited government and fiscal responsibility, but didn´t bother to vote, would get off their duffs and vote in these swing states, volunteer as poll watchers, and spend the next 2-4 years closing pubbie primaries wherever they are open, ensconcing voter picture id in every state and eliminating early voting, motor voter registration and registration less than 6 months before an election.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Catherine, 11/23/2012 8:55:44 AM     (No. 9030398)

The only thing the GOP needs to learn is how to cheat on such a grand scale as the Dems. Or be man enough to call out votes they know are false, like the one where there were 160-something thousand registered voters in one area (I think in FL) and they received 250,00 votes. Instead, the Repubs did nothing, as usual, but be scared and try to defend themselves against the absurdity of being called racist every time they open their mouth. I think racist is the worst word people can use - not the new version of ´lettered´ words, like the "N" word.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: AGGW, 11/23/2012 9:33:16 AM     (No. 9030455)

The election was fixed all along.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Grambo, 11/23/2012 9:45:06 AM     (No. 9030474)

Imagine an America with two fundamental changes, retinal scan voting machines, and school vouchers that create graduates who can read and make change.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: 4freedom, 11/23/2012 9:52:14 AM     (No. 9030483)

#15 I agree, in the 3rd debate Romney refused to bring up the Benghazi issue, personally I think he was told not to.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: M Stuart, 11/23/2012 10:02:17 AM     (No. 9030495)

Media corruption ruled the narratives, and voter fraud was rampant.

You can´t tell me that Republicans did not vote for Romney because of the Mormon factor. Even Billy Graham´s site removed that. I live in GA, and R´s were dedicated voters against the muslim emperor.

Blacks & 0bamabots emptied the nursing homes, indigent storage places, and dragged the uninformed to the polls and voted for them.

Until we address voter fraud, we will lose. One good computer geek can change the vote. We need hard copy printout backups for our votes. Forget the fool machines where your vote that you stood in line for disappears with the little "cast vote" button. But in GA we work for good votes and get overridden by the cheaters. Southern States and Alaska arise.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/23/2012 10:03:46 AM     (No. 9030497)

Read the stats Ms. Strassel quotes. Romney bettered 2008 numbers in a whole lot of important states. The final popular vote difference was less than 350,000. But we can´t depend on the next Dem candidate turning out fewer black votes. We probably can´t get the black voter in the near future, but we can access Hispanics. Up to now, our minority vote efforts have been half-hearted and badly organized. We can fix that. We must, or we´ll never win another national election.

Yes, there was vote fraud, yes, Mitt Romney wasn´t everyone´s first choice and many who wanted someone else stayed home or wasted their vote on a write-in or the Libertarian Pary. For now, we must concentrate on the 2014 election and then we can confront 2016.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jimboendaatl, 11/23/2012 10:09:21 AM     (No. 9030509)

Decent article and I agree more could have done to have gone after Hispanics...the split was 60/40 in favor of 0bama. The question is if we did get 5-10 percent more (which is the best we could have hoped for), would that had been enough to win? Not sure and I still would like to know what the evangelical turnout was for Romney. Until we know that, we´ll never know if his religion was a problem for social conservatives.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: dragonlearner, 11/23/2012 10:40:53 AM     (No. 9030551)

A large amount of people voted for Obama because he was perceived as being more concerned with their economic condition. It didn´t matter that Romney was the more likely candidate to fix economic problems. When you are unemployed or on public assistance (yes, there are a lot of those people who would prefer having jobs) or even think your job is in jeopardy, you tend to vote for the candidate who is going to give out the freebies.

Don´t believe me? Then ask yourself why FDR was re-elected 3 times while presiding over worsening economic conditions (which would eventually lead to WWII). The only way we emerged from the Great Depression was by FDR dying. This does not bode well for our future.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ebuilder, 11/23/2012 10:52:56 AM     (No. 9030558)

The conservative base turned out for Romney. The choice was: whom at least behaves like a nominal free market Christian? That "base," knowing it was possibly America´s last chance for freedom and God´s forgiveness would no more have stayed home than slit their wrists. It will be easier for establishment luftmenchen types to fix on anti-Mormon scapegoats than to admit they have no strategy to counter the criminal fraud that successfully went down in every swing state -- and at work from here on. They know about it. They heard about it. It is easier to go with scapegoats. There is no political actor out there, who will grovell for the billion dollars of ground game money and media support and international strange, who will tell you the Don Henley "you don´t wanna know how far things have gone" truth anymore. That man is not going to suffer himself to be the king of the new scapegoat and conservative ignoramus caste. We must now move to the middle in our thinking, which is approximately Singapore.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 11/23/2012 11:11:15 AM     (No. 9030573)

Not a peep about massive voter fraud out of the republicans or the hack media....

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Reply 23 - Posted by: chumley, 11/23/2012 12:03:21 PM     (No. 9030628)

Here is someplace that might be a good start:
1. No early voting. All ballots will be cast on election day or not at all. Absentee ballots will be in no later than election day.
2. No third party registration. You register in person at your city hall or Board of Elections. No registering at the polls.
3. Picture ID required.
4. Any computerized machines will have paper back up of all votes. Any suspicious numbers will trigger a paper recount.

There. Thats fixed.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/23/2012 12:12:20 PM     (No. 9030644)

I don´t recall too many GOP Senators/Representatives/Governors coming out with strong public support for Romney/Ryan. Cowards.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: noproblems, 11/23/2012 12:19:31 PM     (No. 9030653)

The GOP is doomed if this is the best analysis they can muster. The fact is that the Republican Party is becoming irrelevant, and is what the Whig Party was prior to the election of Abraham Lincoln.

It is time to move on. The Tea Party can form the basis of a new Party. Maybe events can help with the naming of the new Party.

The mantra for the Party should be adherence to the Constitution and the distribution of power from Washington DC back to the States.

Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Washington DC is absolutely corrupted, along with Wall Street.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 11/23/2012 12:58:46 PM     (No. 9030705)

I have my own theory about why the GOP didn´t challenge the vote results this year or in 08. Suffice it to say too many people fear the thought of every blue city in the country being looted ,burned and even worse if anything besides term limits tosses this particular president out of our White House.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: harper, 11/23/2012 1:20:31 PM     (No. 9030733)

The election results were fake but accurate. I read that somewhere.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 11/23/2012 1:22:15 PM     (No. 9030737)

Interesting statistics.
Romney beat McCain´s national numbers and also beat McCain in the Battleground states.
Romney even beat GW Bush´s 2004 numbers in 5 Battleground States.
While Obama did not beat his 08 numbers and still won.
Because Obama was able to gin up the black vote and the Hispanic vote.
Obama won the Battleground States by a grand total of 334,000 votes.
I don´t understand the lazy and selfish Republicans who didn´t show up because
they needed to be sweet talked and begged and reminded to vote this year.
Republicans will never be able to convince the majority of blacks to see the light.
After eight years of anti white poisoning by Obama and the Democrats , they will never be reachable.
Black outreach is officially a waste of time and resources.
For decades we have been trying
to sell school vouchers and enterprise zones and role models like Clarence Thomas and Col West and Condoleeza Rice ,et al. and it´s met with derision.
We have to concentrate on improving our image with legal Hispanics and normal women.
Roe v Wade will never , ever be overturned thanks to
the pro life , Tea Party movement insisting on running idiots for the Senate in 2010 and 2012.
Obama´s new federal judges and Supreme Court Justices will make not just the USSC , but, the federal judiciary extremely liberal and radical for decades .
Voter fraud should also be dealt with ,but, media bias will always be with us.



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Reply 29 - Posted by: calgrammy, 11/23/2012 1:45:23 PM     (No. 9030760)

My Aunt is in a ´convalescent" home. Her address is still at the home her and my Mother have shared for many years. She received her absentee ballots there. In the past two Presidential elections, somehow her address got changed from her home address to the care homes address. No one in her family changed the address,nor did she. Multiply by all the patients in care homes.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Country Boy, 11/23/2012 3:04:42 PM     (No. 9030850)

The voting machine software was illegally altered. Between 10 million and 20 million Romney votes were discarded. He actually won in a major landslide.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: privateer, 11/23/2012 4:08:48 PM     (No. 9030915)

He WOULD HAVE won; in an honest election. We don´t hold those anymore, since the RNC granted the dims a license to steal. See post 12. If that is wrong, I would appreciate a correction or explanation.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/24/2012 6:41:32 AM     (No. 9031425)

The Won´s "stunning Election Day operation" turned out "his base" and then some. And I mean illegal votes. That´s what all the Mooch´s campaign speeches were about -- getting people to register (multiple times??) and then voting all those registrations. Same day registration/voting is a travesty. It´s clear the abuse that such a procedure not only allows but encourages.

How can we get our elections back under control when the other side whines and cries "voter disenfranchisement" whenever you try to nail things down? We can´t even control our borders.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/24/2012 7:08:24 AM     (No. 9031440)

Reply 16, Billy Graham is a Baptist. So am I. While Baptists believe in preaching the good news of the kingdom throughout the world they are not the same as the evangelicals.

My daughter works with an evangelical who voted for Romney but who was very distressed that most other members of her church would not vote because he is a Mormon.

By the way, BVptists were very strong supporters of the Revolution (I have 12 ancestors or family members who fought in it) as well as being abolitionists who supported the Union (1 ancestor, 1 relative). Baptists are a different breed. Evangelicals do not care what Billy Graham says.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: planetgeo, 11/24/2012 7:09:15 AM     (No. 9031442)

#24, that´s a good start, but you missed a big one. We need a national voter verification database. There are too many voters (students, retirees with multiple residences, and political operatives registered in multiple states) who can and do vote multiple times. The system is rigged to allow massive fraud.

Republicans need to grow a spine and overturn all the outrageous fraudulent voting options the Democrats continue to use.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Janjan, 11/24/2012 7:27:02 AM     (No. 9031455)

How does one create a ´minority ground game´? By offering social programs paid for with other people´s money. That has been the main Democrat election strategy since FDR and it works.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: LZK, 11/24/2012 8:24:55 AM     (No. 9031532)

The purple finger idea would be great!! Also -- ONE day of voting. No "early" voting....less chance of fraud....

There is NO myth....

The election was stolen by SOROS and his ilk....

No worries -- the demorats are stuck with this mess now...

Let them wallow in it....WE conservatives can survive anything because WE are grownups....

LZK

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Reply 37 - Posted by: coyote56, 11/24/2012 8:26:34 AM     (No. 9031537)

Nothing will be done in our Republic until teachers,parents & pastors teach our nation´s true history plus our beginning culture. America cannot survive with more than 2 political parties - a 3rd Party will completely destroy voting process. Voter fraud,stupid stubborn Republicans & brainwashed Americans will ruin our "client nation to God". BTW our war was not a revolution it was a "War for Independence" - not one British aristocrat was injured & FREEDOM was the issue. We fought the enemy on our soil & won. If Washington hadn´t won at Trenton we would not have survived. We are missing the patriotism of our history,WWI & WWII period over & out. Being a right wing radical Tea Party Republican I will always fight against voter fraud.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: The Patriot Code, 11/24/2012 8:29:41 AM     (No. 9031546)

For eight years both parties have been saying that everything must be done to assure that all U.S. military personnel are able to vote and have their votes counted. And once again that did not happen. And the would-be beneficiaries of that, Republicans, do virtually nothing to make sure it happens. But in 2016 I am sure that both parties will once again give it major lip service, complete with faux indignation. It´s a national disgrace. Maybe if the Generals would do something besides chase tail 24/7, our troops might be allowed to participate in the elections. Spineless republicans make me sick.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: maryc, 11/24/2012 8:30:44 AM     (No. 9031547)

The term ´registered voter´ being legal is a myth on top of all the other voter fraud. Here they register Joe Blow and Joe Blow SR. twice even though it´s the same guy . plus the push for driver´s liscences for Illegals. They have that and a power bill for a few years and they can vote.
The whole process is terribly flawed and until it is addressed we cannot hope to put a legitimate president in office. The only ones elected will be those who up the whole goodies giveaway . Those trying to balance the budget or reduce debt will be looked at by the leeches as ´taking something away´ from them. Election Fraud is insurmountable without real verification of registration legitimacy.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Bazi, 11/24/2012 8:31:44 AM     (No. 9031550)

Voter fraud: We are up against George Soros. My state, Minnesota, has a Soros/Acorn groomed Secretary of State and Governor. We tired to pass voter ID, but it was voted down. Our SOS, actively campaigned against voter ID! As we know, the left can get away with murder, and still stay in office. So what does it matter that our SOS was anything but impartial about voter ID?
We are also up against the communist technocrats like google who work hand in glove with this administration.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 11/24/2012 8:34:30 AM     (No. 9031555)

Purple thumbs are a great idea but won´t work on dead and imaginary voters.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Rinktum, 11/24/2012 8:36:06 AM     (No. 9031559)

I guess now the idea is to out-Obama Obama . Pander, lie and cheat. What we need is a savvy PR campaign that works in all media and has an upbeat conservative message geared to younger voters who want to experience the American dream. Young people want a good job and the ability to move up the financial ladder. They want things. Show them that the dependence on government is a dead end. Point out that all the celebrities they so admire are free capitalists and understand that work ethic is to be admired and it brought them success not a government handout.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: aposematic, 11/24/2012 8:37:55 AM     (No. 9031564)

I hate to break it to everyone; but, most election fraud is not voter fraud. Most election fraud is done by Party bosses and State election officials in dark back rooms weeks before election polls open and after polls close.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: cobieone, 11/24/2012 8:52:35 AM     (No. 9031588)

The point of this article is Zero won because he appealed to "NEW MINORITY VOTERS". That means MASSIVE voter fraud! Don´t tell me the new minority voters were legal citizens. Our elections will never be legit until we deal with outright cheating. Article states that Romney actually received more votes than McCain and increased vote totals in every battleground state. Zero was way down nationally and lost ground in every battleground state. The dem base was not energized and did not show up like they did in 2008. This election should have been a blowout for Romney but for the fraud! Those who predicted the dems would cheat and not let go of power were correct. And I still believe there are millions of conservatives who stayed home in protest for one reason or another.

With the dems fraudulent infrastructure in place and more Zero appointed fed judges, we are in for a tough road ahead. However, don´t forget 1994, two Bush terms, and 2010. The only way to defeat this fraud is for conservatives to unite. I have my doubts we will.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 11/24/2012 9:05:03 AM     (No. 9031605)

If you don´t go vote aginst the person you don´t want to win, he will.
If you have to be reminded after months of campaigning when election day is, you probably should just play in your front yard and try to keep yourself personally clean.
If you want to vote for anyone but your party´s candidate, you are too stupid to live, much less vote.
If you are a leftist or centrist Republican and want to throw out the right wing of the party, you should be in a home. If you are on the right and want to throw out everyone left of you, you should be in the same home with the other guy.
I have spoken.


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Reply 46 - Posted by: Poliskeptic, 11/24/2012 9:05:46 AM     (No. 9031606)

I think what she is saying is Republicans had better starting taking crash courses in Spanish and knock on doors in the the Hispanic communities or we are never going to win another presidential election.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: AnnaS, 11/24/2012 9:08:22 AM     (No. 9031612)

As long as Reoublicans are afraid to challenge voter fraud and all the " let everybody who wants to vote" schemes persist, we are doomed. Republicans are so afraid of being called racist or worse, they are paralyzed. Now they are caving in to let´s give every illegal citizenship to show what good guys we are (and giving Dems a forever majority). Why do we keep sending people like Boehner to represent us over and over? (I never saw him help Romney once in Ohio! ) And yet... A real conservative like Allen West is not re-elected. Are we doomed or is there some way we can turn this around? We all decry the situation, but get the same results time after time.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: vwlarry, 11/24/2012 9:09:17 AM     (No. 9031615)

After forty years of unshakeable belief in it, faith in the system....is....gone. Doubt I´ll even bother to vote next time. What´s the point when it´s rigged from the git-go and NOBODY does a damned thing about it??

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Reply 49 - Posted by: chiller, 11/24/2012 9:10:07 AM     (No. 9031622)

I would add: military votes. I´d suggest law that states no tally can be certified until military ballots are counted. Who deserves it more than our military ?

Dems knew Obie was not popular and used numerous strategies to counter that. 1)They fought early voting laws, 2)used advanced social site techniques to find these unlikey votes and had weeks to log their vote. 3)X amount of voter fraud 4) nasty negative ads in swing states to suppress Romney votes 5) sued Gallup for favorable treatment 6) "lost" stats in California to jigger the final pre-election unemployment rate 7) lied about Benghazi story 8) benefited from one of media´s many gifts with their refusal to cover Sandy which is/was arguably worse than Katrina.

Lots more strategies and the Dems missed nary any of them. In total, it was enough.



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Reply 50 - Posted by: saucy, 11/24/2012 9:11:27 AM     (No. 9031624)

For the life of me I can´t understand how the blacks, Evangelicals and Catholics could vote for Obama and call themselves "Christians."

The Bible explicitly tells them how to vote.
The Bible is either to be believed or not.

They obviously do NOT believe the Bible!

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Reply 51 - Posted by: artman1746, 11/24/2012 9:19:01 AM     (No. 9031640)

We need to learn that "it´s the PEOPLE, stupid!". ( or should we say "it´s the stupid people!".)

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Reply 52 - Posted by: uno_thatguy, 11/24/2012 9:52:13 AM     (No. 9031699)

You´ve got it #44. When it is said incessantly that hussein got his voter base out, that´s hogwash. He was down by nine million votes. There are not enough illegals who did vote and whites who stayed home to fit the numbers.

We need the controls at the polls. But most of all we need a party that will demand that these communist judges impound machines and paper ballots be hand counted wherever there is even the slightest indication of fraud. How can any judge even if both halves of his brain are nothing but sausage deny a recount when as in Allen West´s district there were exactly(?) 900 ballots and only 7 registered voters.

The machines need to be tossed and paper ballots hand counted, and not counted by machine. A third grader can write a script to toss or change votes at will.

Until conservatives, (forget the GOP) stand up by the millions to be counted our freedoms will continue to be eroded and we´ll become slaves to the system.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: Me?Opinionated?Nah!, 11/24/2012 10:03:36 AM     (No. 9031716)

Every four years the election for President and Vice-President of the United States of America is unlike any other. It’s a national election and should be conducted accordingly, whereby the exact same rules apply in all 50 states; no exceptions.

Is it any wonder that our Election Day postmortems resemble the zaniest, wackiest Marx Brothers’ movies imaginable? We live in the 21st Century. To not require that every voter present a tamperproof photo identification card in order to cast his or her vote is certifiable insanity. Voting is a sacred trust and should be treated as such. It’s not some casual, slapdash, bothersome exercise to be gotten over with as quickly as possible.

Voting machines? Unless and until they’ve been rendered incorruptible, let’s eliminate them entirely. It goes without saying how much rides on the results of our Presidential/Vice-Presidential elections.

There are other considerations. Registration requirements, absentee ballots, basic system integrity, just to name a few. Compared to the wild and wooly atmosphere our elections nowadays bring about, even those low-tech purple thumbs are beginning to look rather appealing.


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Reply 54 - Posted by: rc1776, 11/24/2012 10:06:10 AM     (No. 9031721)

"Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with flowers every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?".

The gop pac beltway Schizoids must have collective IQ´s
just below freezing Fahrenheit.
Here we have a malfunctiong machine that has one chip operating it but has no corrective feedback.
Who would buy a car that has no repair manual, no dealer support, and is hostile to feed back?

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Reply 55 - Posted by: GOPSecretary, 11/24/2012 10:12:30 AM     (No. 9031732)

Allan West has proved that the Fox News report of 3 million snowbirds voting twice is correct. I think the total is much higher and every retirement state is suspect.
We have four years to correct this or we will never be in the White House again.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: stealthy, 11/24/2012 10:26:44 AM     (No. 9031749)

The basis for conservatism is social conservatism, without it all you have left is greed, if you throw out the moral basis for being a conservative, what is right or wrong is based on what?Social conservatism informs fiscal conservatism and provides the moral underpinning and gives you the reasons and ways to sway people to your side. it´s what´s right v what´s wrong for me.doing what´s right is how many decide who to side with.What are your principles and what are they based on if not rooted in social conservatism. those who want to throw out the principled base of the party will find themselves very lonely at election time.

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Reply 57 - Posted by: Butch59, 11/24/2012 10:39:35 AM     (No. 9031765)

Like many others here this morning, I have to disagree with Ms Strassel. IMHO, there are two reasons that Romney lost the election. One is the massive amount of fraud that took place in virtually every battleground state. And I don´t have a clue as how it can be stopped. Whenever a state have voted for voter ID, the DOJ files suit over it and some liberal judge rules against it. So, "the people" don´t seem to have any power to stop it. Second reason is the amount of people that think that they are going to get lots of freebies from the Dims. The Dims have been using this idea from many decades now, and it works. This country has a host of people that feel it´s their "right" to live a comfortable middle class life style and not work for it. It´s supposed to be provided to them by taxing "the rich". And that is just what Obozo promised them.

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Reply 58 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/24/2012 11:03:10 AM     (No. 9031798)

Kimberly is smoking some fine chronic if she analyzes this in any other manner than it was stolen

That´s what we have to figure out. How to return elections to lawful results

Kimberly, sweetheart .. are you really this dumb? Or, are you a Change-Agent for those "republican masters" who want our Party to devolve into Dem-Lite?

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Reply 59 - Posted by: 4Justice, 11/24/2012 11:04:27 AM     (No. 9031801)

#58, I disagree. Most of the zealous social conservatives are stuck in the 19th Century with regard to wanting government to control people´s behavior beyond the simple 10 Commandments (which our country´s laws were originally based on). We do not need a nanny state from either side of the aisle.

Almost everyone here is correct. Fraud was the main problem. #24 has the best answer. However, I have to add that absentee ballots should only be allowed for people who can prove a real disability or some special circumstance that cannot be avoided. Absentee ballots used to be hard to get. They should be again. No, voting by mail for anyone else, except the military overseas. Everyone else must vote in person on the SAME day. Just as primaries should all be on the same day. The GOP as a party is not the problem. We just need to clean out all those who are running the party and start anew. Then we need to stop voting for the same career politicians. The party principles are the party--not the politician

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Reply 60 - Posted by: romanesq, 11/24/2012 11:07:11 AM     (No. 9031807)

Lots of frustration but the truth is Obama squeaked in with 51% of the vote losing millions of votes in the process since 2008 but not about 334,000 well placed ones.

The Dems have a very good database to elicit votes and have chopped up the electorate into many factions re: special interest groups and cater to them.

The nation is not static. The wall is there and more than 47% as has been said. When things get worse people will begin pointing fingers and saying what did you do to get us into this? Unmarried women vote for the government to be their spouse/daddy and care more about having free condoms/contraceptives and abortions than anything about the nation´s well being.

It´s a disgrace but many of you know it full well. There´s lots of people that have females in their families in their 20s and 30s and they were the difference in this election not Hispanics.

The swing states would not have changed with the Hispanic population shifting some in those states.

Something didn´t feel right and it´s stunning to see every swing state falling into the abyss of Obama.

But at 51% with a not great economy to say the least, the nation is not lost, not yet.

Republicans need to change how they go about reaching out to voters across the board. Technology is way ahead of them and it´s still unclear how much of a problem this heralded ORCA system was for Romney.

At some point that picture will be clear too.

The Republic will strike back against the Evil Empire, bet on it. 2014 we hit back.

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Reply 61 - Posted by: Republic Can, 11/24/2012 11:17:07 AM     (No. 9031821)

This argument is falacious.

If Romney lost becasue he didn´t appeal to minorities, then there are too many so-called "minorities."

If ´minorities´ needs are so massive that they can take the election away from the ´majority,´ then both demographics are moot and tribalism now reigns.

Purple Thumb Voter.

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Reply 62 - Posted by: Analyn, 11/24/2012 11:17:08 AM     (No. 9031822)

#8 That´s exactly what my husband and I said! But it would have to be with purple ink that wouldn´t come off for a month. I´d gladly live with a purple thumb for a month.

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Reply 63 - Posted by: jorgecito, 11/24/2012 11:18:16 AM     (No. 9031823)

Not sure what Kim is advocating ... but I´m afraid a core conservative concept needs repeated to certain WSJ types:
Trying to out-bribe the Dems, to gain Hispanic votes, will not only not work, but goes against the very heart of our American free market opportunity society.

There was another way to "convert" for the GOP to "convert" Hispanics (and other recent immigrant groups).

Such a conversion depended on an actual demonstration of the power of a free market economy to improve life ... for all. We would have had that with a Romney victory.

Sadly, this opportunity has now been lost. What is left of the free market in America is going to be crushed under Obama´s heel over the next 4 yrs.

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Reply 64 - Posted by: dragonlearner, 11/24/2012 11:19:30 AM     (No. 9031829)

I am surprised by all the fraud talk here. OK. I´ll stipulate that Obama won on fraud. After 2010, the results should have shown a win for Romney. That being said, remove the fraud and Romney does not win by that large of a margin. And that is the problem. Given such a bad economic environment and such a dismal job record of Obama, Romney should have won huge and easily overcome the margin of fraud.

There is a bigger problem than fraud in this country. And that problem is that when people fear a bad economy, they tend to vote for the Democrat (no matter who it is).

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Reply 65 - Posted by: Avogadra, 11/24/2012 11:21:09 AM     (No. 9031834)

I´m with those who say it was voter fraud. In 2008 people were enchanted with the historic aspects of the election. Four years of experience with Obama taught us that he lies constantly, that his sympathies lie with the Muslims and the third worlders, and that his goal in life is to cut America down to size.

Millions of Americans voted for Romney because they were voting in their own self interest. And the votes of millions of Americans simply disappeared on 11/06/2012.

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Reply 66 - Posted by: Kate318, 11/24/2012 11:30:33 AM     (No. 9031850)

I thought it was very eerie that the Dems seemed so confident about the elction, given Barky´s record. I suspected that a massive vote fraud effort was in the works. I told anyone who asked that if it was a fair election, the Republicans would win. If vote fraud was rampant, we´d lose. My prayers were simply for the true will of the American voter to prevail, and that vote fraud would not rule the day. Guess God had other plans.

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Reply 67 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/24/2012 11:59:42 AM     (No. 9031892)

I Switzerland they know exactly who is a true citizen and where they live. They have no polling stations. The Swiss government mails each citizen a ballot and expects it mailed back to be tallied. Homeless? Illegal? Dead? Guess what? No vote.

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Reply 68 - Posted by: walcb, 11/24/2012 12:04:22 PM     (No. 9031901)

All of these brilliant ideas on how to reform voting. How is that going to happen when the Dims control the Senate, executive and soon to be judicial. We have an AG who won´t even prosecute someone standing in front of a poll with a billy club.

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Reply 69 - Posted by: Davids918, 11/24/2012 12:07:00 PM     (No. 9031902)

We should keep investigating the vote totals and possible fraud.

Will minimize the effectiveness of Obama and the Democrat Senate over the next 4 years.

Using finger-print technology for voting would help cut-down on the fraud.

Ensure no one in medical field can strike if they unionize.



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Reply 70 - Posted by: joew9, 11/24/2012 12:42:11 PM     (No. 9031959)

For decades the Republicans have unilaterally taken the gentleman politician position and not defended themselves from the attacks by Democrats. The brand has been so damaged that even supposedly intelligent people I know believe that Republicans are all racists and in the pocket of big big business. I think it is too late to reconstruct the Republican brand. We need a new party. One that fights back.

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Reply 71 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 11/24/2012 1:12:01 PM     (No. 9032003)

Romney received fewer votes than McCain in 2008, and Bush in 2004. Has all the Bush bashing, Palin bashing, and Republican bashing over the last decade by the lying liberal media cost Republicans millions of votes? FWIW, I think the lying liberal media has suppressed Republican turnout. First they hilite Republican conservatism to alienate moderates, and then hilite Republican moderates to alienate conservatives. The media is playing everyone for fools.

Will moderates support a conservative? Will conservatives support a moderate? How many moderates now vote Democrat? How many conservatives sit out the election and vote third party?

The biggist issue in 2012 was the economy, but how many people voted in favor of free stuff, immigration reform, wommen´s rights, gay rights, etc?

The liberal media has done a masterful job at manipulating the public, and is alive and well. Can Republicans win an election without a strategy to offset the effects of the liberal media?

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Reply 72 - Posted by: Burger, 11/24/2012 1:25:53 PM     (No. 9032018)

But, Mitt Romney was the electable one.
Eat Those Words.
Never Forget.

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Reply 73 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/24/2012 1:28:44 PM     (No. 9032020)

Please everyone, do go to the link posted by #12 for the REAL skinny on voter fraud. When he first posted it, I did. It is essential research to understand this problem. #6 quotes it accurately. There is a reason Pubbies NEVER discuss this issue in any serious way! Until this is fixed, nothing else matters folks.

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Reply 74 - Posted by: TXknitter, 11/24/2012 1:34:33 PM     (No. 9032030)

...#34, Billy Graham has referred to himself on many many occasions as an evangelical. My very Baptist south Texas sister (secretary of the church) considers herself an evangelical so...not sure what you mean.

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Reply 75 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 11/24/2012 2:03:22 PM     (No. 9032063)

We Wuz Robbed....by thugs. And our party seems content with that.

I just dont get it!

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Reply 76 - Posted by: hershey, 11/24/2012 2:30:51 PM     (No. 9032092)

I´m sorry to say it folks, but we (conservatives/GOP) will NEVER see another honest election.

The libs/dims have a lock on voter fraud. Somewhere I read we only needed 300,000 more votes spread across several states to cinch the election. I also read Somali´s were bussed into Ohio polls. And Philly´s 57 precincts voted 100% zippy??? and voting machines switched votes? And some precincts in Colorado voted 104%????

It´s all over folks.



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Reply 77 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/24/2012 3:15:58 PM     (No. 9032135)

No. 76, I am a Northern Baptist. The Church there is much more formal and less demonstrative.

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Reply 78 - Posted by: chicodon, 11/24/2012 3:39:17 PM     (No. 9032155)

I think we will need to look at this again after another four years of Obama. I don´t think we´ll recognize the place.

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Reply 79 - Posted by: Italiano, 11/24/2012 3:50:09 PM     (No. 9032170)

The GOP should evolve:

1. Promise inner-city blacks more free (stuff), they´ll vote Republican.
2. Promise Hispanics/Latinos amnesty (together with more free (stuff)), they´ll vote Republican.
3. Promise single women free unlimited abortion and contraceptives, they´ll vote Republican.

Try it, and see what happens in 2016, assuming that we have a country left by then.
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Reply 80 - Posted by: badrad, 11/24/2012 3:53:55 PM     (No. 9032178)

The GOP base should have gotten themselves to the polls or not complain now IMO.

Is it true that in 1980 the GOP signed a pact because of a judge saying voter fraud cannot be pursued in minority areas?

If true is time to rethink that one and get it out in the open so the white independents might get a whiff of it and what they can do--maybe the undecided too by the time this obama term is up and he tries for a third.





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Reply 81 - Posted by: tisHimself, 11/24/2012 3:55:05 PM     (No. 9032181)

I would suggest if you really think Romney was THE candidate and this result was just about fraud, then you should get on board, Romney 2016.

Despite his organizational skills and fund raising talents, his etch a sketch, split the difference, tell everyone I´m conservative (wink) and the fact that he has been running for this office since 2006, he lost to a candidate whose economic record was abysmal.

He bought the nomination, he couldn´t buy the election. Those of reflexive Romney apologists should fire up that 2016 machine or put the brakes on the bandwagon.
The sooner liberal republicans acknowledge that they are the problem, the sooner we can get on with what worked in 2010.

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Reply 82 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 11/24/2012 4:36:37 PM     (No. 9032231)

The GOP has to die and be reborn as true conservatives.

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Reply 83 - Posted by: Bumblebee, 11/24/2012 5:25:29 PM     (No. 9032293)

Hey Himself! I was going to say that, but you said it better.
The GOP better stop with the excuses and admit they picked a loser.
Only a personality like Ronald Reagan´s could have won.
People don´t use reason, they vote for who they like and trust. So? They did not like or trust Romney? People vote their Gut! All the MSM had to do was repeat Romney´s blundering words. So stop with the excuses already!

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Reply 84 - Posted by: mainecoonmama, 11/24/2012 6:00:34 PM     (No. 9032322)

I think we can win again once the "black allure" of Obama is off the ticket. Blacks and minority voting will be less. If not, how did the 2010 victories happen?

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Reply 85 - Posted by: Amicus Veritatis, 11/24/2012 6:01:38 PM     (No. 9032324)

Sadly for all those victors. He couldn´t even have run for the first election he "won". Nancy, call from the lobby . . . You don´t seem to understand. We have no president!! The Romney campaign did just fine. We are and always will still be here (not just on-line).

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Reply 86 - Posted by: rocket scientist, 11/24/2012 8:47:53 PM     (No. 9032460)

I must have missed it somewhere, but why did Allen West cave in to the voter fraud and not continue to pursue a recount? I thought if anyone would stand up to the fraud, it would be Allen West. What happened? It is very demoralizing and I feel that West wimped out in the end.

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Reply 87 - Posted by: joeyinempirestate, 11/25/2012 1:09:28 AM     (No. 9032638)

#86, I agree, if nobody with the name obama runs in 4 years it should be winnable.

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Reply 88 - Posted by: Bumblebee, 11/25/2012 3:21:44 AM     (No. 9032670)

As Allen West found out, voter fraud challenges cost a lot of money to pursue.

He ran out of money, and the challenges he did bring were not revealing enough additional votes. If he had more money, he might have continued to challenge the vote.
He simply had to face that reality.

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As part of its plan to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, the Obama administration is targeting the dairy industry to reduce methane emissions in their operations. This comes despite falling methane emission levels across the economy since 1990. The White House has proposed cutting methane emissions from the dairy industry by 25 percent by 2020. Although U.S. agriculture only accounts for about 9 percent of the country’s greenhouse gas emissions, according to the Environmental Protection Agency, it makes up a sizeable portion of methane emissions — which is a very potent greenhouse gas. Some of these methane emissions come from

One Doctor’s Viral Letter Exposes the Harrowing
Reality of Obamacare’s ‘War Against Doctors’

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Independent Journal Review, by Emily Hulsey    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 3/28/2014 5:42:18 AM     Post Reply
In an address to the House on Wednesday, Alabama Representative Mo Brooks read aloud a letter sent to him by Dr. Marlin Gill of Decatur. The letter holds nothing back while detailing the excessive costs and regulations that Dr. Gill calls Obamacare’s “war against doctors.” Here is the full text of the letter, courtesy of Rep. Brooks’ office: Dear Congressman Brooks, As a practicing family physician, I plead for help against what I can best characterize as Washington’s war against doctors. The medical profession has never before remotely approached today’s stress, work hours, wasted costs, decreased efficiency, and declining ability to focus on patient

Obama, Pope Francis
meet for first time

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CNN, by Halimah Abdullah    Original Article
Posted By: drive- 3/27/2014 9:03:29 AM     Post Reply
U.S. President Barack Obama and Pope Francis met Thursday for the first time at Vatican City, offering a chance for a reset of sorts between the administration and Catholic leadership following years of strained relations. The two world leaders greeted each other with a smile and a handshake, and posed for pictures before sitting down across a table from each other. The goal of the meeting: Focus on areas where two of the world´s most influential men agree and gently tread ground where they differ. The President and the Pontiff will, as the White House said in a statement, focus on "shared commitment

Oversight Dems Ask Issa to Call
Off Benghazi Investigation

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PJ Media, by Bridget Johnson    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/28/2014 3:06:55 PM     Post Reply
All 17 Democrats on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee have called on Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) to end the “partisan” investigation into the Benghazi attack “and begin focusing instead on conducting responsible oversight to implement constructive reforms.” The Dems, led by ranking member Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), charged that the probe “has been characterized by wild and unsubstantiated political accusations that turn out to be completely inaccurate.” They proceeded to outline those instances in the five-page letter. “Continuing this reckless pattern of launching wholly unfounded accusations on national television — and racking up more and more Pinocchios in the process —

As Obama meets the pope,
Francis´ smile masks a serious message

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Los Angeles Times, by Doyle McManus    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 3/27/2014 3:45:00 PM     Post Reply
When Jorge Mario Bergoglio became Pope Francis a little more than a year ago, the first thing that struck those who knew him well was his unexpected, beatific smile. “In Argentina, he didn’t smile like that,” Sergio Rubin, the pope’s biographer, said this week at a conference sponsored by the Ethics and Public Policy Center. “That was the big surprise.” Since then, the pope has mostly kept on smiling — in homilies, in audiences, in meetings with the homeless and the poor. If you look at the pictures from Francis’ meeting with President Obama on Thursday, though, the smile is there only some of the time.

More than 6 million Americans
enrolled under the ACA, WH says

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Washington Post, by Juliet Eilperin    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/27/2014 3:39:18 PM     Post Reply
More than six million Americans have now signed up for private insurance under the Affordable Care Act, according to the White House, with just four days to go until the end of its first open enrollment period. While traveling in Italy on Thursday, President Obama shared the news in a conference call with thousands of health-care navigators and volunteers helping enroll people on state and federal marketplaces. As the volume of consumers seeking health plans has surged -- there were over 1.5 million visits to HealthCare.gov Wednesday and more than 430,000 calls to the marketplaces´ call centers -- Obama urged those on

The New Republican Reformers
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Wall Street Journal, by Karl Rove    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/27/2014 7:56:35 AM     Post Reply
Their target is the GOP, but they are not angry liberals bent on destroying it. They are reform-minded Republican leaders intent on strengthening it. These Republicans are applying conservative principles to 21st-century challenges, focused on middle-class concerns like lowering costs and improving access to college, modernizing health care and reforming the tax code. They aim to broaden prosperity´s reach through markets and merit, not government and corporate cronyism. They´re also concentrating on helping the poor by changing Washington´s dizzying assortment of antipoverty programs to emphasize work and make the safety net more effective and sustainable. The reformers´ success in providing

Getting popularity tips? Barack Obama hopes
for ´Francis bounce´ as he meets Pope for
first time and tells him he is a ´great admirer´

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Daily Mail [UK], by Tara Brady    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/27/2014 8:17:00 AM     Post Reply
One is a world leader who has been praised for his humility and outlook on the world. The other is an American president, once the international superstar of the political stage. So it is no surprise that President Barack Obama has travelled to the Vatican in Rome possibly to get some tips from the popular Pope Francis who now even has own weekly glossy magazine dedicated to him. As he sat down with the Pontiff at the Vatican this morning, Obama called himself a ´great admirer´ of the pope. Their historic first meeting comes as Obama´s administration and the church

Watch Chris Hayes Get
Hammered After Personally
Attacking Conservative Guest (Video)

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Breitbart The Conversation, by Debra Heine    Original Article
Posted By: mitzi- 3/27/2014 4:42:34 PM     Post Reply
Usually the type of Republicans MSNBC hosts invite on their shows are either craven RINO types who can be depended upon to trash talk fellow Republicans, or the more inarticulate, dimmer bulbs in the party who fail to communicate conservative positions effectively. MSNBC host Chris Hayes had an entirely different type of animal on his hands with PA Americans For Prosperity Director, Jennifer Stefano. In fact, he´s probably still licking his wounds after the nasty confrontation he had with her, Wednesday night in a debate over the latest ObamaCare delay. He got off on the wrong foot by introducing Stefano

´Funny´ Feminist: I´d ´Personally Like to
Castrate Every Male Conservative Christian´

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NewsBusters, by Tim Graham    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 3/27/2014 12:17:28 PM     Post Reply
Joe Newby at The Washington Examiner has found a real doozy of a “comedian.” Her name is Laura Levites – with obviously no connection to the priests of the Old Testament. (She´s an atheist with a fondness for Ricky Gervais.) "I would personally like to castrate every Male Conservative Christian so that they have NO reproductive rights," she wrote on Twitter, using the hashtag "#HobbyLobby." She certainly knows how to draw attention to herself. Newby said that’s not all. She also expressed her hatred of Christians in a tweet calling conservative Christians "******bags," claiming they are "really trying" her patience.

Obama: Colosseum ´bigger
than some baseball stadiums´

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The Hill [Washington, DC], by Justin Sink    Original Article
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President Obama marveled at the sheer size of the Colosseum during a private sightseeing tour Thursday night in Rome. "This is bigger than some current baseball stadiums," Obama told reporters, noting the size exceeded Wrigley Field in his hometown of Chicago. "I have to check on what it seats. It´s remarkable. Unbelievable." The amphitheatre, located in central Rome, was constructed between 70 and 80 A.D., and was estimated to hold between 50,000 and 80,000 spectators. The Colosseum was home to gladiator battles and animal hunts during the Roman Empire. Obama walked along a platform running through the center of the


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