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Can Texas Really Secede from
the Union? Not Legally

Time, by Adam Cohen

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/20/2012 5:54:52 AM

It’s beginning to feel a lot like the 1860s — and not just because Steven Spielberg’s Lincoln opened nationwide this past weekend. There is a secessionist movement afoot: hundreds of thousands of Americans from all 50 states have signed petitions to secede. Texas is in the lead — no great surprise, perhaps — with ABC reporting last week that the Lone Star State’s petition was the first to get more than 25,000 signatures. It now has more than 100,000. That 25,000 mark, which at least seven states have hit, is significant. The petitions were shrewdly placed on a White House website

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Oh, we probably could, but it´s not going to happen. It´s fun to think about, however.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: jed, 11/20/2012 5:59:15 AM     (No. 9024793)

We should focus more on States Rights and throwing off the shackles of the Federal Governemnt

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/20/2012 6:10:46 AM     (No. 9024802)

The goal really isn´t about secession,it´s about a protest of the Obamastyle ran government and the loss of the Constitution. People just don´t have a lot of options in protesting the government and people don´t care if they hold massive protests in the streets because they´re all white.

Obama´s plan was always to create a minority majority and he pulled it off by opening the borders and stopping deportations the past 4 years.According the republican pundits,politicians and advisers we should just jump on this illegal bandwagon instead of pushing for self deportation measures.

It´s a cop out and cowardice to say there´s too many to deport so let´s give them a welcome wagon instead. Stop the welfare to anchor baby mommas and watch how fast they flee back to their own country.

The whole anchor baby provision was really set a longtime ago to assure blacks got citizenship,it had nothing to do with outsiders plopping in here for welfare.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Patchy Groundfog, 11/20/2012 6:33:52 AM     (No. 9024826)

An insignificant remora, writing for Time as he swims alongside the DC sharks, declares secession illegal.

I usually avoid the express, but DUH!

Far too many of these punks in the press corps, eager to release their inner hall monitors.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: jntsrgn, 11/20/2012 6:33:59 AM     (No. 9024827)

The Fed does not own the States and it certainly does not own me. I am a free man bound only by Natural Law.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: strike3, 11/20/2012 6:46:46 AM     (No. 9024852)

The federal government no longer follows the law, why should the states be concerned about it? If it becomes necessary to throw off a dictatorship, I´m in.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: planetgeo, 11/20/2012 6:49:25 AM     (No. 9024855)

You may not see the states seceding, but you´re sure going to see a lot of people seceding from the economy. As we become more like Europe, one of the ways we´ll be copying them will be in tax evasion and an underground economy. People who feel cheated by the government will themselves start cheating the government. Watch for tax revenues to plummet even though they will be raising the rates.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Lefticide, 11/20/2012 6:54:35 AM     (No. 9024863)

We can´t LEGALLY have a foreigner for president, the gov´t can´t LEGALLY force its citizens to buy something they don´t want, the courts can´t LEGALLY legislate from the bench...See where I´m going?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: mindyourbubble, 11/20/2012 7:04:56 AM     (No. 9024878)

#7 The frightful thought that came to mind is Courts. Obama now has the opportunity to stack the quourt with at least 3 Justices to assure a 5 justice liberal majority. Possibly 6 with the Chief Justice Roberts.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: R. Edgar, 11/20/2012 7:19:06 AM     (No. 9024893)

#7, if you are willing to sit in jail for your beliefs (think very seriously about this) I am with you.

Everbody don´t think for a second it won´t go that far.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: dmjr, 11/20/2012 7:26:38 AM     (No. 9024903)

Was it "legal" for the original 13 colonies to secede from England in 1776?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: RayLRiv, 11/20/2012 7:32:00 AM     (No. 9024914)

It may not secede, but its state Legislature (and only its state Legislature has the right to do it) can legally split the Lone Star state into five states, each with (most likely) two Republican US Senators.

ta-da!

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 11/20/2012 7:33:18 AM     (No. 9024917)

It´s a reaction to being outvoted again by Democrat constituencies on the coasts that are bankrupting he nation and whose own Democrat-run states are going bankrupt as well.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Catherine, 11/20/2012 7:47:34 AM     (No. 9024950)

I´m fine with it. If Texas leaves the union, I hope Oklahoma follows. I´ll vote for that.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: mws50, 11/20/2012 8:00:29 AM     (No. 9024980)

The White House has expanded their enemies list, via the "petition" process. That was obvious.

Can Texas resign our membership in the Union? Yes, of course we can. The 10th amendment gives us that authority. The US Constitution prevents Congress from denying a resignation from the Union.

The question is "Do we take back our US Constitution rights, or do we create a more perfect union?". That is up to us.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: TexaTucky, 11/20/2012 8:02:02 AM     (No. 9024984)

Can a person whose father neither was born here nor ever became a citizen become president of the United States?

Not legally.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: lazyman, 11/20/2012 8:08:26 AM     (No. 9025003)

It could be done now because the military will not fire upon the states, world opinion would not back it up either. More important the 0bama voters don´t have the brains or the courage to stop it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: knowThem, 11/20/2012 8:08:40 AM     (No. 9025004)

will Texas grant a citizenship to a very red family leaving in a very blue state?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: gator, 11/20/2012 8:18:43 AM     (No. 9025032)

14, you can’t do the latter until you do the former.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MissMann, 11/20/2012 8:34:26 AM     (No. 9025062)

It is most certainly legal now and it was legal back in 1860.

I truly hope the current secession talk prompts more people to reconsider what an absolutely horrible president and human being Lincoln was.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Crosscut, 11/20/2012 8:45:56 AM     (No. 9025089)

Hey, we all can´t move to Texas. But Texas will be home to the capital of the new United States of America that´s coming.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: bubby, 11/20/2012 8:50:40 AM     (No. 9025104)

#2 Is right on about the anchor babies. I live in a community north of Houston in which there are several homes owned by Mexicans and are used only for housing pregnant Mexicans who come here and have their babies. It´s probably a very profitable business. Just another way of destroying this once great country. We will end up with a citizenry that has no connection, no idea what it means to be an American and really doesn´t want to. They are just coming for the freebies period.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldborezero, 11/20/2012 8:56:02 AM     (No. 9025123)

Could the thirteen original colonies "legally" secede from the British Empire? Nope. They did it anyway. We have an illegitimate and unlawful government that completely ignores the Constitution. Screw legal.

"If you want to use force against me, bring guns."

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Reply 23 - Posted by: chumley, 11/20/2012 9:02:04 AM     (No. 9025147)

The Mafia and the government have something in common: If you try to quit the gang you will be destroyed. Lincoln proved it. To him, maintaining the union was more important than maintaining the liberty of the union. We see where that has gotten us. Thanks Abe.
What this will hopefully be is a wake up call to the few politicians with a conscience and a true love of country, that something is very, very wrong.


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Reply 24 - Posted by: mws50, 11/20/2012 9:03:14 AM     (No. 9025152)

#18, of course.

However the process will go a lot faster if you bring at least 10,000 rounds of ammo with you.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: stablemoney, 11/20/2012 9:15:56 AM     (No. 9025184)

Liberals think secession is preposterous, but it is a common event in history: Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Roman Empire, India, Korea, Vietnam. Scotland wants their own Parliament. There are separatists movements in Tibet, Quebec, Basques in Spain, Belgium, Ireland, Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey. Cypress is divided. The U.S. had civil war. But the Liberals guffaw, and I despise them.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: nerdowell, 11/20/2012 9:29:17 AM     (No. 9025207)

Lets not call it secession.
Texans are simply asserting their right of self-determination.

First, send an envoy to the UN.

Obama will never defy his future employer.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: god of irony, 11/20/2012 9:39:36 AM     (No. 9025236)

All states joined the union FREELY and thus have the right to withdraw from that union. If they don´t then our government has exceeded the Constitution.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Ret.TxLeo, 11/20/2012 9:41:04 AM     (No. 9025242)

Actually yes..it can. And it can take everything in it within it´s original borders when Texas came into the Union....stick to what you know Adam instead of pontificating on what you have no clue about.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 11/20/2012 9:50:29 AM     (No. 9025267)

When did "the united states of America" become "the United States of America"? The former described a loose coalition of autonomous states, the latter became obligated parts of a whole.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 11/20/2012 10:08:47 AM     (No. 9025318)

#6 - I´ve been saying the same thing. A couple of anecdotal items: 1. In a small independent restaurant, pay at the register with cash and watch how often the cash register drawer is opened instead of a sale rang up; 2. As someone in Finance at large corporations, much of the theft and pilferage that I noticed occurred was perpetrated by people who felt that they were not getting paid "fair" - and the person would come right out and say so.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/20/2012 10:11:04 AM     (No. 9025326)

A constitutional amendment ratified by 3/4 of the states is about the only way a state could secede.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: coldoc, 11/20/2012 10:16:29 AM     (No. 9025342)

If the First Mooslim has his way, there won´t be much to secede from. Buy your Texas pesos asap. Thanks to tim geithner, you´ll need a dump truck load of dollars to get a loaf of bread.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: yo-yo, 11/20/2012 10:43:44 AM     (No. 9025443)

King George had an attorney on his legal team named Adam Cohen; is this THAT Adam Cohen?

If so, is he allowed to bill twice for the same advice to different clients; especially, when it turned out so spectacularly bad the first time?


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Reply 34 - Posted by: JHHolliday, 11/20/2012 11:23:30 AM     (No. 9025552)

The sates certainly have the right, legal and otherwise, to secede. In practice it would be difficult consdering how attached people (and states) are to the federal teat.

The Union knew it was legal. It´s why they never actually tried Jefferson Davis for treason. If the courts found him not guilty it would mean the federal government promulgated an illegal war that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: John21, 11/20/2012 11:28:21 AM     (No. 9025566)

Could we get that lucky and could Texas handle the mas immigration of 250 million Americas into it borders? Most would gladly go there just to escape the Obama destruction of a once great nation.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: craige, 11/20/2012 11:29:57 AM     (No. 9025570)

"The Constitution, which provides processes for new states to enter the union and for current states to divide or reconfigure, does not have a provision for states to leave the union."

10th Amendment does. It is backed up by the 9th Amendment.

Interesting that a journalist has not even read the Bill of Rights. Probably boring....

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Reply 37 - Posted by: heartlandconservative, 11/20/2012 12:48:01 PM     (No. 9025780)

The constitution is the law of the land that supports the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration states that we have the right and the responsibility to throw off tyrannical government.
Secession is one of the ways this can be accomplished. However, the remedy that will work better today, is to have State legislatures with the guts to stand up to DC.
In their discussions this is one of the primary duties of State legislators, to stand in opposition to the over reach of the feds.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: heartlandconservative, 11/20/2012 12:54:18 PM     (No. 9025802)

Apologies, my last sentence should read, In their discussion the founders said that this was one of the main duties of the State legislatures, to stand in opposition to the over reach of the feds.

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If the Rev. John DeBonville could preach a sermon to lift the souls of churchgoers across America, his message would be simple: Stop dressing so tacky for church. DeBonville has heard about the “come as you are” approach to dressing down for Sunday service, but he says the Sabbath is getting too sloppy. When he scans the pews of churches, DeBonville sees rows of people dressed in their Sunday worst. They saunter into church in baggy shorts, flip-flop sandals, tennis shoes and grubby T-shirts. Some even slide into the pews carrying coffee in plastic foam containers as if they’re going to Starbucks. “It’s like

The Growing Financial Disaster of Obamacare
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Power Line, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
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President Obama asserts that 8 million people have signed up for Obamacare, as though that were something to be proud of. In fact, Obamacare has always been a fiasco from a fiscal perspective–a black hole of subsidies and expanded Medicaid, with largely fictitious mechanisms in place to pay for it. As the number of subsidized participants grows, the disaster gets worse. Charles Blahous explains: Our national discussion…is missing the truly significant story here; what is unfolding before our eyes is a colossal fiscal disaster, poised to haunt legislators and taxpayers for decades to come. It is quite possible that the ACA is

Gospel story of Jesus’ resurrection a
source of deep rifts in Christian religion

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Washington Post, by Kimberley Winston    Original Article
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“On the third day, he rose again.” That line, from the Nicene Creed, is a foundational statement of Christian belief. It declares that three days after Jesus died on the cross, he was resurrected, a glimmer of the eternal life promised to believers. It’s the heart of the Easter story in seven little words. But how that statement is interpreted is the source of some of the deepest rifts in Christianity — and a stumbling block for some Christians, and more than a few skeptics. Did Jesus literally come back from the dead in a bodily resurrection, as many traditionalist

John Kerry’s Easter Message:
I’m ‘First Catholic Secretary of
State in 33 Years’

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Cybercast News Service, by Terence P. Jeffrey    Original Article
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In an op-ed published in the Boston Globe on Easter Sunday and posted on the State Department website, Secretary of State John Kerry recalled his days as an altar boy and pointed out that he is “the first Catholic Secretary of State in 33 years.” Alexander Haig, who served as secretary of state to President Ronald Reagan from January 1981 to July 1982, was also a Catholic. Last month, I traveled to Rome with President Obama, where I was honored to meet His Holiness Pope Francis,” said Kerry. “As an altar boy six decades ago, I never imagined that I

Western lawmakers gather in Utah
to talk federal land takeover

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Salt Lake Tribune [UT], by Kristen Moulton    Original Article
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It’s time for Western states to take control of federal lands within their borders, lawmakers and county commissioners from Western states said at Utah’s Capitol on Friday. More than 50 political leaders from nine states convened for the first time to talk about their joint goal: wresting control of oil-, timber -and mineral-rich lands away from the feds. "It’s simply time," said Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who organized the Legislative Summit on the Transfer for Public Lands along with Montana state Sen. Jennifer Fielder. "The urgency is now." Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, R-Provo, was flanked by a dozen participants, including

High school senior forms petition with over
ONE THOUSAND signatures against Michele
Obama speaking at their high school
graduation ´because it would overshadow
the students´ big day´

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/19/2014 5:20:14 PM     Post Reply
If expanding the guest list to include Michelle Obama at graduation for high school students in the Kansas capital city means fewer seats for friends and family, some students and their parents would prefer the first lady not attend. A furor over what the Topeka school district considers an honor has erupted after plans were announced for Obama to address a combined graduation ceremony for five area high schools next month an 8,000-seat arena. For some, it was the prospect of a tight limit on the number of seats allotted to each graduate. For others, it was the notion that Obama´s speech,


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