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Both Sides Must Give Ground
to Avoid Fiscal Cliff

Creators Syndicate, by Michael Barone

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Posted By:garnet, 11/19/2012 7:30:33 PM

In his first formal press conference in months, Barack Obama showed that getting re-elected can increase a president´s confidence and combativeness. He staked out tough stands on several issues, especially on the looming budget negotiations. Looking ahead to the "fiscal cliff" on Dec. 31, when the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire and sequestration cuts government spending sharply, Obama demanded $1.6 trillion of increased revenues as part of any budget bargain. That´s twice the number he and Speaker John Boehner agreed on in the grand bargain talks in the summer of 2011. Those talks fell apart


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Reply 1 - Posted by: pizzaman, 11/19/2012 7:36:45 PM     (No. 9024435)

The ball´s in Obama´s court. Let´s see his detailed plan.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 11/19/2012 7:39:51 PM     (No. 9024438)

I want to go over the cliff, the sooner the better.

It´s like pulling off a hanging scab....

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Country Boy, 11/19/2012 7:41:21 PM     (No. 9024442)

Ideologues don´t give ground.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 11/19/2012 7:48:14 PM     (No. 9024448)

Let´s see Obama propose a budget that even a single member of his party will have the guts to vote for.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: biggun, 11/19/2012 7:49:56 PM     (No. 9024452)

Raising taxes increases revenue only in the short term, as Democrats know all too well. Then the revenues nosedive because money taken out of the private sector reduces economic activity; hence, reduced tax revenues. Reducing taxes has always increased revenues as Democrats going back to JFK also know all too well. Dems don´t care about the amount of revenue - they just want to control a larger percentage of the revenue in order to increase their control over our lives. Barone is full of crapola.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: controlfreak, 11/19/2012 7:57:39 PM     (No. 9024459)

I am so dang tired of hearing the term ´fiscal cliff.´

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Reply 7 - Posted by: cav160, 11/19/2012 8:13:11 PM     (No. 9024477)

Agree with #1, time to go over cliff! Any new revenues (Taxes) taken in thru compromise will be spent before ink is dry! Also, take a look at 1963 Communist Manifesto, there isn´t much left to compromise on!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: wideout, 11/19/2012 8:20:07 PM     (No. 9024483)

Let us go over the cliff...i want kenyaboy to explain it to the American public..and Michelle start walking to Vail..

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Axeman, 11/19/2012 8:21:15 PM     (No. 9024489)

When you compromise with evil, evil always wins.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: jond, 11/19/2012 8:34:34 PM     (No. 9024505)

Anyone who accepts a promise of a spending cut in return for a real tax increase doesn´t deserve to be in Congress.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: texaspast, 11/19/2012 8:44:41 PM     (No. 9024514)

The problem with that, #8, is that his only explanation will be ´it is the republican´s fault for not compromising with me!´ That´s all he will say, and the LSM will echo his words, and 2/3 of the country will believe it.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: sunsong, 11/19/2012 8:49:27 PM     (No. 9024523)

The pubbies must NOT cave. Everybody shares the sacrifice if we go over the cliff. That´s the real fair choice.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: jntsrgn, 11/19/2012 9:20:48 PM     (No. 9024543)

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" - Wimpy

GOP will cave, taxes will go up, cuts will NEVER materialize.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: bob913, 11/19/2012 9:41:52 PM     (No. 9024557)

I heard Hugh Hewitt today saying he was open to higher rates! They (congress0 never cut spending. Cut spending is the answer. What are republicans trying to do? Next they will be open to amnesty.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: LWGII, 11/19/2012 9:45:10 PM     (No. 9024561)

The sooner the crash, the sooner we can start rebuilding. Brace...for...impact.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: BcdErick, 11/19/2012 9:46:04 PM     (No. 9024563)

Absolutely, totally 100% false. Americans had a choice this November, and they voted for bigger government. Rather (than) shielding voters from the consequences of their decisions, let them pay for it.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: kOok, 11/19/2012 10:10:24 PM     (No. 9024581)

We flew off the fiscal cliff a long time ago. Now we´re just grasping for a root sticking out along the way.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: M Stuart, 11/19/2012 10:12:48 PM     (No. 9024583)

Where are our negotiators? Why aren´t they repeating as a tag on every sentence, "We´re waiting for 0bama to tell us where we must cut the entitlements which account for __% of the deficit and tax increases on the rich which would only fund the govt for ___days.

0bama is repeating ad nausem the same "punish the rich" in every other sentence. Why don´t the repubs fight fire with fire?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/19/2012 10:23:30 PM     (No. 9024591)

I agree with others that I want the implosion that will come from the cliff, but from a purely personal perspective, theres one tax increase in there that will cost our family a huge amount. Im afraid its a fait accomplis.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: photoman628, 11/19/2012 10:39:02 PM     (No. 9024599)

Just vote "present" on everything. Watch it crash and burn-then be there to pick up the pieces. Nothing else will put us back on the right track. We really do need to hit bottom.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: ivehadit, 11/19/2012 10:42:46 PM     (No. 9024600)

As an aside, has anyone stop to think about this: The two poorest states in the Union, one of which is the largest state in the Union, voted for obama.

The most successful state which is also the second largest state in the the Union, voted for Romney.

What say ye, o leftists and liberals?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: peasantnumberthree, 11/19/2012 10:43:42 PM     (No. 9024601)

I don´t think compromise will happen at all - we will go over the "fiscal cliff".

Obama is a total ideologue and I believe he does want the country to go over the cliff. He doesn´t believe any of this budget/deficit stuff anyway, it will bring in a lot of new revenue to the Feds and it will give him a golden opportunity to blame the resulting recession/depression on the Republicans.

How could he do this? Easy. Whenever the Republicans agree with his proposal, he can just up the stakes. At some point, the Republicans will refuse to budge any further, and - poof - Obama can blame the Republicans.

In the past, whenever Obama has been offered a choice between doing the best thing for Obama vs the best thing for America, he 100% of the time chooses what he thinks is best for himself.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Spot On, 11/19/2012 11:03:28 PM     (No. 9024608)

I agree with 21, Just vote present and when it all crashes wrap it around their necks & maybe the gimmie public will suffer enough to get some sense. They fail to see what Socialist Europe is encountering or they don´t care. God help us.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: BarryNo, 11/19/2012 11:33:29 PM     (No. 9024630)

The only problem is that when a Democrat talks about both sides giving ground, it´s about the GOP giving ground and the Democrats demanding they give more ground.

Or the Democrats saying they will give ground at a later date that never comes...

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Reply 25 - Posted by: ivehadit, 11/20/2012 12:10:57 AM     (No. 9024655)

Vote "Present" and let the chips fall where they may, Republicans. The orchestrators need to OWN IT ALL.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Achilles, 11/20/2012 2:28:54 AM     (No. 9024696)

Treat the fiscal cliff like the republicans treated obamacare. Since no republicans voted for it, it is all theirs. Also, I have hear this line the democrats are touting before: they will gladly pay us tuesday for a hamburger today. Don´t give any ground. Let´s go over the cliff.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Nimby, 11/20/2012 3:57:21 AM     (No. 9024754)

All he does is yap! If he were serious about the fiscal cliff,he wouldn´t be jet setting around the world at tax payers´ expense making goo goo eyes. What exactly is he doing there that his diplomatic corp cannot achieve?

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Reply 28 - Posted by: mathman, 11/20/2012 6:34:43 PM     (No. 9026417)

There will be no giving ground.
Harry Reid does not negotiate. There will be higher taxes and even more spending.
We will spend until we are bankrupt, and then we will spend some more.
They did it in the Weimar Republic.
They did it in Argentina.
Has been done many times. Just keep printing money.
Waste of time.
Whatever happens, happens.

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