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Secession: Confederacy of Dunces
Plays Into Media´s Hands

Breitbart´s Big Government, by John Nolte

Original Article

Posted By:Dreadnought, 11/14/2012 7:40:05 PM

In the wake of a brutal election loss, some of us are disappointed and want to lodge a protest -- I´m not unsympathetic to that, I get it, I really do. I got it in 2000 and in 2004 when my favorite sport was mocking left-wing movie stars who threatened to flee the country after Bush won. But therein lies the point: If conservatives are going to mock the disappointed who want to flee the country after an election loss, shouldn´t we be doing the same thing now? While it´s not fair, sometimes we really do have to take responsibility for our own and even those who claim to be our allies.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Italiano, 11/14/2012 7:45:49 PM     (No. 9014901)

Not to disagree with Nick, but this wasn´t just another lost election. Given the shifting demographics, the circular firing squad GOP and the (so far) unchallenged voter fraud, a we´ll get ´em next time attitude may be a tad misplaced.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: ruready?, 11/14/2012 7:50:57 PM     (No. 9014912)

#1 is correct. The author needs to ponder the central tenant to the movie, "Hotel Rwanda". Inability to recognize when its over is a good way to exit the gene pool.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Bettysez, 11/14/2012 7:54:11 PM     (No. 9014919)

We don´t want to leave the country, we want to live within our Constitution. That is what we are losing. There should be a movement to amend the Constitution creating Free states and Federal states. The people in the states vote (no computers, too easily rigged). Free states pay their share for what the Constitution requires the govt to do: roads, coinage, etc, but the Free states can operate their own education, health issues, etc. Will take a lot of thought but it´s do-able.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sinatra5, 11/14/2012 7:55:31 PM     (No. 9014923)

Now there´s a concept...future elections...I don´t think you can make that assumption. John, you´d better have a look

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Cleanhousein2012, 11/14/2012 7:55:41 PM     (No. 9014924)

The problem, Mr. nolte is not about us taking responsibility. The issue we have is a bunch of elected officials who care more about reelection than doing what is right for the country. It´s that simple. Compromise is a way to screw the taxpayer and get more votes. Compromise is a great way to put words behind doing what you know your constituents don´t want you to do but make it seem like you are magnanimous in doing it, and still get reelected.

It´s time we take away the ability for our elected officials to spend a lifetime living in the little bubble they create, having to live by the same rules and programs, using their own money, like the rest of us have to. Let´s see how they compromise then.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Tucker, 11/14/2012 7:55:45 PM     (No. 9014925)

Oh, I don´t know. I think we have a right to express the way we feel about the loss of the country as we knew it and as it was meant to be. This wasn´t just a simple election. This was an election that will turn this country into Greece.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Feebie, 11/14/2012 7:57:07 PM     (No. 9014932)

Wrong group of "Dunces", Nolte!!!

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Reply 8 - Posted by: chance_232, 11/14/2012 8:03:18 PM     (No. 9014942)

I wish that I could agree with you #4.....but its hard to reverse 50+ years of public education and liberal indoctrination....with a press hell bent on advancing the liberal socialist agenda. Most people just dont care. As long as they can come home in the evenings and watch American Idol and no one makes any demands on them, they are just peachy. Conservatism takes work. To be a true conservative requires learning the facts and facing the truth.

Secession is inevitable. I dont know when it will happen, but the United States will disintegrate at some point. The only way to stop the inevitable is for republicans and libertarians to embrace Marxism.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Blue hen1, 11/14/2012 8:05:31 PM     (No. 9014950)

Give us a good candidate!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Axeman, 11/14/2012 8:05:46 PM     (No. 9014951)

Nolte´s premise is wrong from the start. Secessionists are not talking about fleeing from anything. And they are exactly the opposite of not fighting. They are running right into the face of the 0bomunists and saying enough is enough. Let us take responsibility for our own state. The rest can be negotiated, like NAFTA.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: snowcloud, 11/14/2012 8:07:50 PM     (No. 9014954)

We´re trying to rid the body of the cancer of progressivism. If what it takes is to secede then so be it.


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Reply 12 - Posted by: mollybob, 11/14/2012 8:12:43 PM     (No. 9014966)

I seriously doubt that the vast majority of signers have any serious expectations that a movement to secede will actually gain traction. Rather, it´s a way of disavowing the entire course and character of our country´s civil and political life. Thanks to hostile forces, we´ve become a foreign country in which none of us were born and few of us want to reside. The call for secession is a shorthand way of expressing the extreme distress many Americans feel about that reality.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Passion, 11/14/2012 8:16:29 PM     (No. 9014971)

Thank you 15 for some sanity...

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Duckboy, 11/14/2012 8:17:53 PM     (No. 9014975)

No one, including myself, expect the White House to allow a ´peaceful secession´ of any state. The reason I signed it, is to see the response Obumma makes. That response will be telling.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 11/14/2012 8:18:42 PM     (No. 9014976)

I´m all for secession but done the way it was done in 1860-61, a group of states getting together and planning a Confederate Congress, president, etc. I think those states that formed the original Confederacy, can do very well on their own as long as they get cooperation from foreign governments. Texas has tons of oil, Louisiana most of the nation´s rice, Florida a large share of sugar cane and citrus, Alabama much of the nation´s cotton, plenty of desirable commodities all over. There is tourism, seafood, good shipping, rails, manufacturing, etc.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: bluefindad, 11/14/2012 8:30:32 PM     (No. 9014988)

The difference is that we are now confronted with a lawless government, whereas the lefties were not following Bush´s election. The government has not passed a budget (a legal requirement) for how long?

It doesn´t matter whether people talk of secession or not, they will be painted as nutcases. Tea Partiers are, by and large, decent, normal Americans. Yet they have been disparaged and marginalized as racists and nutjobs.

Anyone going against the left will be ridiculed ala Alinsky.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: fishermanswife, 11/14/2012 8:30:43 PM     (No. 9014989)



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Reply 18 - Posted by: jond, 11/14/2012 8:31:29 PM     (No. 9014992)

The administration will hardly need an excuse to stage a Reichstag event.

Whether one chooses to hand them such an excuse is a matter of choice.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: ledbythnose, 11/14/2012 8:34:16 PM     (No. 9014995)

I am a supporter of Secession. But I see this as a SERIOUS Chik File moment for TPTB. The shooting will only start if they ignore us. It´s that simple.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: fishermanswife, 11/14/2012 8:38:30 PM     (No. 9015003)

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention.

I propose federal term limits - in the form of a Constitutional Amendment. That would take 30 states to call for the convention. How many of them have Governors that could make this happen? If not now - over time? Before its too late?

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Reply 21 - Posted by: reddfroge, 11/14/2012 8:44:10 PM     (No. 9015013)

Really, only Texas could drop out because of their ´power grid´.
The rest of us are ´screwed´ for the rest of what is left of our government controlled lives.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: gesundheit, 11/14/2012 8:53:51 PM     (No. 9015025)

The word ´´secession´´ is toxic. If it´s never used, those who want their states to secede can be successful in doing so in many ways, just as socialists in this country have managed to impose socialism on us all by never using the toxic word ´´socialism.´´

For example, many states have declared they will not follow the rules of ObamaCare when it is enacted. What could be more secessionist than that?

So, we´ll soon be having a federal-vs.-state civil war on health care to satisfy those who want to march off and fire on Fort Sumter. Then there will be other similar battles -- which can only be won by NOT starting a ´´secessionist´´ movement, which can be targeted, ridiculed, and inevitably destroyed. Just do it.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Mike PHX, 11/14/2012 8:56:28 PM     (No. 9015028)

Good Lord!
Is anyone serious about seceding?

Ok...take a deep breath...make sure there´s no more glue in there...that´s it...it´s the year 2012....not 1438 or 2145...
Take it down, take it down...
Oh my god!!
These people are wearing coon-skin caps!!
AAAaaarrrghhh!!!


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Reply 24 - Posted by: balogreene, 11/14/2012 8:59:23 PM     (No. 9015032)

Thank you Mike

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/14/2012 9:01:36 PM     (No. 9015034)

"No one, including myself, expect the White House to allow a ´peaceful secession´ of any state. The reason I signed it, is to see the response Obumma makes."

Obama´s reaction? "My fellow Americans, this is yet another example of how racists in the Republican Party are still trying to refight the Civil War and put minorities back into what they think is their place. Well I´m here to tell them that the minorities and women of America have no interest in returning to the 1850s where black people were slaves and women didn´t have the vote."

A few months of that and we should get about 25% of the women´s vote and no minority votes next time around. How does that help, exactly?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: chicodon, 11/14/2012 9:07:24 PM     (No. 9015038)

#9
What happens to the nukes? Some states have them, some don´t.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/14/2012 9:09:26 PM     (No. 9015041)

I´m reminded of that great plan for libertarians to flood into New Hampshire, the "Live Free or Die" state and turn it into a libertarian wonderland. How did that work out and how did New Hampshire vote for the last election?

People keep looking for some easy way to get away from it all but it just isn´t that simple, and people sound silly talking as if it´s simple. It´s not.

And just in case anyone needs a reminder, secession worked out pretty badly the last time it was tried.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: oh-heck, 11/14/2012 9:09:38 PM     (No. 9015042)

The White House has a policy to answer any issue that achieves enough support from readers of their blog. This is not a serious vote, its a chance to tweak the White House nose.

I think this is an opportunity to continue tweaking the White House. For example, this administration could enforce the law requiring states to send absentee ballots make it to our men and women serving abroad in time for them to vote.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/14/2012 9:18:39 PM     (No. 9015057)

"What happens to the nukes? Some states have them, some don´t."

Well, they are all on federal property, and if I´m not mistaken, that´s what made the last attempt at secession turn very messy and turn out very badly for those seceding.

Also bear in mind that Pearl Harbor is in a blue state. San Diego is in a blue state. Bremerton is in a blue state. Virginia and Florida went for Obama this election, so Norfolk and Newport News are also in a blue state. Pensacola is in a blue state. That would leave no carrier home ports in a red state. Nevada went for Obama so Nellis is in a blue state. And the United States has significant military assets overseas, including in Japan, Europe, and the Middle East.

As for resources like oil, wheat, and so on that people think the red states could cut off, commodities are largely fungible. Please read and understand this Dilbert strip:

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2006-02-19/


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Reply 30 - Posted by: Question_Assumptions, 11/14/2012 9:23:37 PM     (No. 9015063)

"That would take 30 states to call for the convention."

A Constitutional Convention would be bad -- very bad. It would put the entire Constitution up for grabs and the people who will be in charge of it will almost certainly not be as wise as the people who drafted the one we have. And our biggest problem is not the Constitution, itself, but how it is (or more commonly, isn´t) enforced.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Burger, 11/14/2012 9:24:46 PM     (No. 9015065)

Sorry, just because the media says its true, does not mean I need to change my views.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: lil dotty, 11/14/2012 9:28:29 PM     (No. 9015074)

This is only part of a plan. A chapter in a novel. Consider our collective journey similar to Moses wandering for 40 years and before him our Creator gradually unfolds His miracles. Though we attempt to grasp the truth. Only He knows. Only He can lead the way. How long has Israel been fighting? Have they gained anything? Have faith. We elders have lived a decent life. I feel for our descendants, our children. They will never know the country we knew. Never know of our brave, strong forefathers Just as the MB and progressives blow up the pyramids, Spinx, they destroy our heritage and history as well.

Leaving the country to go where? Pulling out of the union to do what? Print our own state money? Build our own state militia? Pull out as a region of states to combine 4 United States Gov. Perry stated he would not. Texans are fighters; we remember the Alamo. Frankly, I believe he might not want Austin leaving Texas. They have threatened to do so if we Texans should go that far.



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Reply 33 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 11/14/2012 9:38:07 PM     (No. 9015086)

Zippy needs to be referred to in public as the Traitor who stole the election and rules America as a dictator. We stopped buying his lies over 4 years ago. Raise the middle finger as he passes by.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Edgelady, 11/14/2012 9:41:57 PM     (No. 9015091)

Stop freaking out. You never give up what you really believe in. Not even because of the loss of one election. Just never give up, never give in. It´s more than just us, it´s children, it´s what the country is all about.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: bamapreacher, 11/14/2012 9:45:07 PM     (No. 9015095)

We´re talking about peaceful secession here, not about who has nukes, military bases and ports, etc. I don´t see the necessity for fighting. Just let the south leave.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: Italiano, 11/14/2012 10:28:22 PM     (No. 9015132)

Just call it an "amicable termination of a civil union between consenting adults." The libs would probably go for it before they figured out what it was.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: FormerDem, 11/14/2012 10:33:21 PM     (No. 9015138)

Besides which, if I understand correctly, these secession petitions amount to writing the White House with your name and address and telling the WH what you think about stuff. Are you kidding? I mean, I did that during Fishy, but I did know they would record it and count me. Should we be asking our friends to do this? I wouldn´t. Hey, Friends! By no means give the WH extra info about your opinions!!

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/14/2012 10:38:38 PM     (No. 9015140)

Ask yourself this... If your state was independent, debt free, socialism free, prosperous, and free of moochers, would you want to become part of the USA and take on a share of the debt and the burdensome socialist central control from DC?

If not, then why would you want to remain a part of such a union given the chance to be free?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/15/2012 2:44:12 AM     (No. 9015296)

People in this country have a right to protest the government in any form it takes.If people don´t want to be self associated with Obama´s governmental style and vote stealing apparatus,there´s few choices other than an open revolution.

Anybody that´s been watching Obama the last 4 years has to know he´ll stop at nothing to destroy this country.Maybe he thinks he can outsmart the system,I don´t know his motivations except exacting revenge on a group of people he doesn´t like.

A president is supposed to be president of the whole country,not a bunch of lefitst sub groups who play him like a cheap fiddle.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: texaspast, 11/15/2012 12:57:19 PM     (No. 9016429)

#33, there´s a carrier sitting in Corpus Christi harbor right now. The Lexington. Decommissioned in 1991.

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Posted By: Desert Fox- 3/23/2014 8:20:09 PM     Post Reply
Last week Al Sharpton embraced convicted vote fraudster Melowese Richardson at a “voting rights” rally in Cincinnati. The United States Department of Justice under Eric Holder has done nothing to Melowese Richardson 410 days after she admitted on camera that she committed multiple federal felonies by voting six times for President Obama’s reelection. Federal law makes it a felony to vote more than once for President. In fact, 42 U.S.C. Section 1973i(e) subjects Richardson to twenty-five years in federal prison for her six votes for Obama. The lack of DOJ action against an unrepentant federal vote fraudster combined with Richardson’s lionization by

Obama Flies to a Europe
Shaken by Putin´s Bold Strategy

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NBC News, by Tom Curry    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 3/23/2014 8:09:45 PM     Post Reply
President Barack Obama flies Sunday to a Europe shaken by Vladimir Putin’s seizure of Crimea and his threats against eastern parts of Ukraine. At a summit conference at The Hague on preventing nuclear terrorism – scheduled long before the Ukraine crisis – Obama will confer with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other leaders. On Monday afternoon Obama will meet with President Xi Jinping of China, Russia’s neighbor and sometime rival. Putin has forced the United States and Europe to refocus on the origins of the modern transatlantic alliance -- the 1949 NATO defense partnership designed to prevent a

Media Matters inexplicably attacks Fox
News for using the term ‘homosexual’

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Daily Caller, by Brendan Bordelon    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/25/2014 5:18:35 AM     Post Reply
Media Matters, the website of choice for Fox News haters everywhere, attacked the cable news network on Monday for using the term “homosexual” in its programming — advancing the peculiar argument that the scientific term has a “pejorative connotation.” The online “media watchdog” contends that calling gay people “homosexual” is “a practice that’s quickly falling out of favor with major news outlets due the term’s often pejorative connotation and frequent use by opponents of LGBT equality.” Fox News, they chide, “has yet to update its language when referring to gay and lesbian people.” Buttressing their argument? A weekend piece in the Fashion

Romney slams Obama for
´faulty judgment´ on Russia

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Associated Press, by Kevin Freking    Original Article
Posted By: toledo- 3/23/2014 10:17:36 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney said Sunday that President Barack Obama is naive when it comes to Russia, has shown "faulty judgment" about Moscow´s intentions and could have done more to try to deter its annexation of Crimea. The 2012 Republican presidential nominee said Obama didn´t have the foresight to anticipate Russia´s moves and should have been working earlier with allies to make clear the penalties that Russia would face if it moved into Ukraine. Romney did acknowledge that such steps may not have been enough though to hold back Russia President Vladimir Putin. "Had we communicated those things, there´s always

´They´ve blown off the subpoenas´:
Republicans prepare brickbats for Obama
administration with new IRS corruption hearing

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Daily Mail [UK], by David Marttosko    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/24/2014 9:22:53 PM     Post Reply
Congressional Republicans, led by House Oversight Committee chair Darrell Issa,are planning another IRS coal-raking exercise for Wednesday, hauling the tax agency´s commissioner in for a hearing about the nearly year-old tea party targeting scandal. [Snip] An aide to one Republican committee member said Monday that the White House and the Treasury Department were already dangerously close to causing a constitutional crisis. ´They´ve blown off the subpoenas,´ the aide said, referring to legal demands the committee issued to the IRS on August 2 and February 14. ´If the DOJ keeps dragging its heels too, and can just get away with it,

Why churches should brace for
a mass exodus of the faithful

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The Week, by Damon Linker    Original Article
Posted By: NorthernDog- 3/24/2014 9:30:28 AM     Post Reply
A few weeks ago, I wrote about how the sweeping acceptance of gay marriage in recent years is owed in large part to Christianity. Rejecting the rigidly hierarchical and stratified societies of the ancient world, Jesus Christ taught the equal dignity of all persons, proclaimed that the meek shall inherit the earth, and declared that the last shall be first and the first shall be last. The Western world has been working out the logic of these subversive teachings ever since, with the institutional transformation of marriage being the latest, though surely not the last, example of its social, moral,

Stay cool, Sasha! First daughter cuts a
stylish figure in shades as the Obamas
visit Great Wall of China and country
becomes fascinated with Michelle´s ´elegance´

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Daily Mail [UK], by Associated Press & Daily Mail Reporter    Original Article
Posted By: Attercliffe- 3/23/2014 12:46:59 PM     Post Reply
First daughter Sasha Obama cut a stylish figure in jeans and shades as the Obama girls visited the Great Wall of China today. Michelle Obama, Malia, 15, and Sasha, 12, were left alone to explore the Mutianyu section of the historical landmark in the northern Beijing suburbs though Chinese police officers looked on protectively. The three walked a stretch of the wall that looks out to a massive rock inscription on a hillside that reads in Chinese: ´Loyal to Chairman Mao.´ The country has been fascinated by Mrs Obama´s ´elegance´ during the weeklong visit to the country to promote educational

Can Liberals Trust John Roberts
to Rescue Obamacare Again?

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New Republic, by Tom Donnelly    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/24/2014 3:28:38 PM     Post Reply
Most Supreme Court watchers are fixated these days on Sebelius v. Hobby Lobby—the important challenge to the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate scheduled for argument Tuesday. And why wouldn’t they be? With its potent mix of religion, sex, Obamacare, and prayerful corporations, it’s the blockbuster case of the term. It is also a crucial test of Chief Justice John Roberts’s leadership on the Supreme Court. Just two years ago, Roberts cast the deciding vote to largely uphold the Affordable Care Act. While the country remains divided over whether he acted like a traitor or a statesman, all would have to agree

Sasha Obama is not impressed
with trip to China

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New York Post, by Geoff Earle    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 3/25/2014 4:44:05 AM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — Spring break was never this dull. First Lady Michelle Obama’s kids finally hit the wall on their whirlwind visit to China, showing signs they’ve nearly reached their limit tagging along with mom as she visits site after site on what’s billed as a “person-to-person” tour. Accompanied by Malia, 15, and Sasha, 12, the first lady on Monday toured Xi’an, an ancient city in the ancestral province of Chinese President Xi Jinping. They inspected the city’s 600-year-old wall, a day after touring the Great Wall near Beijing. Photos show Sasha looking like she’d rather be back home with her pals than hitting the

De Morgen apologises for Obama cartoon
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De Redactie*, by Michael Torfs    Original Article
Posted By: wetenschapper- 3/24/2014 7:59:55 AM     Post Reply
The Flemish daily De Morgen has offered apologies for the Obama cartoon that was shown in its satirical section "The Daily Herald" on Saturday. The digital collage compares the Obamas with monkeys and triggered numerous international reactions. De Morgen says they made an error of judgement.

Boxer: Obamacare ´Is a Huge Success´
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Cybercast News Service, by Susan Jones    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 3/24/2014 11:52:15 AM     Post Reply
"Never in my lifetime have I seen a law that is helping so many people be so vilified," Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) told a conference call on Friday. She talked about the millions of people in her state who are benefiting from the law that Republicans have tried to repeal 54 times. "This is a huge success, this law. I´m saying that. We had a terrible rollout, it slowed us up, but it´s all falling into place now and the Republican answer is very, very simple -- let´s repeal it and take away all these benefits from people. And that´s just gonna


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