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What Romney did right
Washington Examiner [DC], by Hugh Hewitt

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/12/2012 5:51:35 AM

With postmortems on the Romney campaign piling up faster than broken promises of relief to Sandy´s victims, there is time before the "big deal" gets cut and the national misery deepens to reflect briefly on what Mitt Romney did right -- and there was much he did right. Romney saved the House of Representatives from reverting to Nancy Pelosi´s rule. A bad enough showing from the GOP nominee, or even an uninspired replay of 1996 or 2008, would have left dozens of House freshmen dangling. National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Pete Sessions runs a great operation,

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 11/12/2012 8:44:27 AM     (No. 9008523)

Apparently the majority of voters are not impressed with those qualities he has. And we´ll all suffer for it.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: catfur27, 11/12/2012 8:45:40 AM     (No. 9008525)

..hey..he didn´t give out no cellphones!...who would vote for him??......s/

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Reply 3 - Posted by: starsNstripes, 11/12/2012 8:50:50 AM     (No. 9008532)

"What Romney did right" = short article

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Sinatra5, 11/12/2012 8:55:36 AM     (No. 9008545)

All well and good, but the problem is the rot, the stench of voters who cannot separate good from evil. They are beyond hope, reason, and posses no critical thinking skills whatsoever - and these morons are not going away.. The Country is going to have to hit bottom, and we have to hope there is enough left to pick up the pieces. Putting candidates mentioned in this article like reorganizing the chairs on the Titanic.....´Talk about casting pearls before swines....

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Reply 5 - Posted by: congaree53, 11/12/2012 9:06:39 AM     (No. 9008563)

Obama did not need either state to win.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: JAN, 11/12/2012 9:11:16 AM     (No. 9008574)

As long as we march headlong into bankruptcy with endless borrowing there will be no reason to do the right thing.

Just love how some blame the republicans for the massive voter fraud.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: TigerLilly, 11/12/2012 9:24:48 AM     (No. 9008596)

Whatever Romney did, right or wrong, he was by far the better candidate and would have been a superb president.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/12/2012 9:28:11 AM     (No. 9008608)

I am dumfounded by those of us who are simply raising hands in the air to surrender. White flags are everywhere. Is this really who we are now? We don´t want to keep fighting for our country? Instead, we whine about "secession" and "third party" and "dropping out"? We can see what we could have done differently and more effectively. We can also see where the Dems stole, lied and defrauded. I´m with John Hinderaker and Hugh Hewitt and Krauthammer. I´m with the ones who are planning for the next battle, which we will fight better and stronger and, who knows, we may prevail.

If I could blow a bugle, my contribution would be "El Degüello".

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Reply 9 - Posted by: BlueRidgeMtn, 11/12/2012 9:35:12 AM     (No. 9008629)

I don´t think the problem is Mr. Romney OR the Republican part. I think the problem is the selfishness of voters who can´t see anything greater than themselves. Obama typifies their mindset: Me... Me... Me! We won the election by dividing America into selfish groups that voted only for their personal issues rather than the greater good of saving the country.

Call me crazy but I don´t think the path to success is for Republican to pander to differing groups. I think the path to success is taking the next for years to educate the electorate to the fact that when the country goes down the drain because we are broke, or our national defense is weak, that EVERYONE will suffer greatly.... including THEM!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: RhymeWriter12, 11/12/2012 9:35:31 AM     (No. 9008631)

Its just like the Republicans to bend over and take it from the cheating democrats.. With out Florida alone Obama barely would´ve scraped by, but with Ohio as well the election would have been ours. They just can´t help losing.... Oblowhard will ruin our country and no one with a voice will stand up for us

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Arby, 11/12/2012 9:36:43 AM     (No. 9008633)

The bottom line is that there really is a 47%. They want to be bought off and Fauxbama is just the man for the job. Add a few flaky independents and he´s there. I wonder how they´ll like it when he bankrupts the country and they have to take big hits in their handouts but have no jobs to go to.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: StormCnter, 11/12/2012 9:40:07 AM     (No. 9008645)

Ok, so it´s "dumbfounded", but the reaction is the same.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: BlueRidgeMtn, 11/12/2012 9:40:11 AM     (No. 9008647)

ARG! I should have proofed B4 posting!

... Republican party (not part)
... He won ( not we won)
... Republicans (not Republican)
... four years (not for years)

I´m sorry. I´ve learned my lesson. It won´t happen again.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Millstream, 11/12/2012 9:52:00 AM     (No. 9008683)

The lesson of this election was there are too many people that are uninformed about the issues facing this country. The democrats certainly won the young and dumb vote. The question remains should the republican candidate dedicate more time to fluff shows like the View, Letterman, Colbert or should we take steps to encourage the MSM to serve there original purpose of investigating and informing. I suggest the latter. We as conservatives should boycott the advertisers of at least one of the major netwroks. I would suggest NBC and MSNBC. Until there is some sort of accountability built into the news then we should let our buying habits support the fair and balanced.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: dman, 11/12/2012 9:52:56 AM     (No. 9008688)

What Romney did wrong was to listen to the same people who advised McCain. Those advisers are embedded into the GOP establishment. They will still be around in 2016. The "young guns" will either listen to them again, or the party apparatus will be used to defeat them in the primaries just as what happened to Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Gingrich, et al this year. The party itself is at fault, which is why it must go. What, again, is the definition of "insanity"?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: mathman, 11/12/2012 9:57:30 AM     (No. 9008702)

The issue is that who votes does not matter. All that matters is who counts the votes. (paraphrase from Joe Stalin)
The Republican ground game has to be more active Republican participation in EVERY precinct. Who catches vote fraud? Election monitors. So long as the dems control the vote count, there will be fraud.
There was fraud in Ohio and Florida, and indeed within any state which lacks Voter ID.
Take that home and think about it.


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Reply 17 - Posted by: justavoter, 11/12/2012 10:10:44 AM     (No. 9008745)

I think if you add PA and CO to the list of voter fraud states it is pretty plain to see that Obama stole this thing.
There wasn´t enough right things for Romney to do.
Nice guys finish last.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: K.I.S.S., 11/12/2012 10:17:03 AM     (No. 9008759)

we know the msm will do nothing. my question is why the RNC is doing nothing??!!!! hey republicans, if you haven´t noticed, since the election we are not watching tv, we are not listening to the radio, we are walking away...and NOT to a 3rd party -- we are dropping out -- because YOU DID NOTHING TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTE AND THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!! we can support candidates, send money and vote, but if democrats are so organized and funded as to steal an election, any election, and they know you will DO NOTHING or know there is nothing you can do... then we are through and you are USELESS!!!!

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Reply 19 - Posted by: jerseyden, 11/12/2012 10:33:10 AM     (No. 9008804)

The states control the voting process in their individual states. The Repub governors have got to pass some type of protection from voter fraud. If they don´t cave to the msm barrage of voter disenfranchisement claims the conservative nominee stands a chance. Voter fraud in rampant in almost all large cities.
EX: in 13 or 14 districts in Phila they had over 99% voters. You can´t get that high of a % even for handing out food stamps or free iphones..

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Felixcat, 11/12/2012 10:33:34 AM     (No. 9008806)

But #8 - where is the Republican Leadership on Rep Allen West´s fight for a recount? If he was a Dem - yo know Pelosi, etc al would be on TV everyday demanding a recount, etc. Instead - crickets.

The Republican Party - that is why so many of us are dispirited, talk about secession, etc because in many ways, the RNC, party leaders are more the problem then the opposition.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: NotaBene, 11/12/2012 10:36:37 AM     (No. 9008813)

I am the Democrat Party of Food Stamps with Phones, Vagina Security, and Disability. Prepare to lose your job.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 11/12/2012 10:39:48 AM     (No. 9008818)

It is difficult to win when you are opposed by the unwashed, the envious, the covetous, and the intruder, and ignored by the unread, the prejudiced, the ignorant, the parochial and the apathetic.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: AnnaS, 11/12/2012 10:57:48 AM     (No. 9008862)

It just does not matter. He lost. He is a good and decent man and would likely have been another Reagan. BUT--big BUT, the free stuff crowd and the blacks who just vote for black and the illegals and Mexican Americans who want illegals here are apparently in the vast majority. It was a rout. AND most of us did not see it coming (or maybe it was just me).

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Pluperfect, 11/12/2012 11:06:07 AM     (No. 9008886)

"..delete and ban him FOR EVER"

Written by a male??? All that scenery chewing indicated a convincingly wild-eyed Bette Davis.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 11/12/2012 11:07:18 AM     (No. 9008887)

Thinking ahead, okay, so they cheated. We knew they would. What did we do about it? A local level campaign to change the voting apparatus by state to prevent this in the future should be part of a movement forward.
The R Party had four years to prepare for this fraud. They didn´t. Now with a clear understanding of what it means we have four years to get it right and get ready.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: fljack, 11/12/2012 11:11:41 AM     (No. 9008895)

There are way too many young people who have been indoctrinated by the left. Too many people in their mid thirties and younger believe in the lie brought to you by the educational establishment. I know ´social studies´ teachers in middle school who think that their job is to help your 13 year olds to form ´identities´ with little regard for actually teaching history. Parallels the Hitler youth and young communists, doncha think?


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Reply 27 - Posted by: KimoSaavy, 11/12/2012 11:14:12 AM     (No. 9008901)

A while back I kept saying to Romney needs to reach out to Latinos and women voters. This is not pandering. This is reaching out to people with legitimate concerns for the nation. He should have reached out to Paul who did NOTHING to help Romney. His people stayed home, all 11 million of them. It´s only fair that they too should suffer the consequence of an insidious Marxist regime because that is what´s coming if you didn´t get the memo.

On this very web site I saw nothing but disdain for Hispanics and women. Mainly because of abortion and Sandra Fluke. We hate abortion and Fluke. We don´t hate women or Hispanics. But the distinction was seldom if ever made especially at camp Romney. We hate illegal immigration. We don’t hate immigrants. Another distinction not made.

Our PACs refused to go toe to toe with the liars. This faux war on women was NEVER refuted. They let it go by and it worked for the enemies of the USA. If I were Marco Rubio I do stay away from the repubs. They don´t have the stones to go against the insidious evil in this country.

BTW Romney, a good man this nation does not deserve. I always liked him. Imperfect but supported him from the time I realized he was going to get the nomination. Will you all call Rubio a RINO too when he is forced to move to center to get votes.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: bluehouse, 11/12/2012 11:16:13 AM     (No. 9008905)

I would love to see Romney keep up the fight. Obama said you can´t change Washington from the inside. One of the biggest changes this country needs is to it´s education system. You can only dumb down education from Washington and support the teachers´ union. If Romney could overcome the education bureaucracy he would have more effect on this country than two terms as president.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: qr4j, 11/12/2012 11:16:17 AM     (No. 9008907)

I realize that talking with a few voters whose choice for president differed from mine is not a scientific study. But it may offer some insight into why Mr. Romney (for whom I have learned great respect) did not win.

It boils down to one word: Emotion. Those who voted for Obama did so because of their emotions. Those who chose not to vote for Romney, even though they didn´t like Obama, chose not to vote because of emotions.

These folks did not like Romney--perhaps because he was rich or Mormon or wooden. Basically, they weren´t "feeling" him enough to cast their vote for him.

So the lesson for Republicans is this: Yes, you have to have good policies so as not to abuse the electorate. But you also have to connect with voters emotionally, not just rationally, if you intend to win.

A preacher can give a sinner all the good reasons in the world to "get right with God" (whatever that may mean for a particular faith). But if that preacher doesn´t stir that sinner´s emotions--be a channel through which the sinner´s "heart is strangely warmed" by the prospect of salvation--that sinner won´t likely get right with God.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: confused, 11/12/2012 11:20:30 AM     (No. 9008914)

I believe that this Petrayus and Behgahazi nonsense is strictly a "wag the dog" operation to distract us from the lafgest stoeln election in the history of the USA!

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Reply 31 - Posted by: GEM1400, 11/12/2012 11:39:49 AM     (No. 9008960)

Romney lost because Romney ran an incompentent election effort. The battle ended on the day the "47%" comment came out - we lost all our Latino volenteers within the week for instance. The R2 "team" sat back and let 0bama lead them by the nose - message wise. I spent the summer listening to un-answered 0bama campain ads. It was over by the end of September if not for the 1st debate, but then Romney didn´t follow-up in D2 or 3. Face it - the ´pubs run incompentent election efforts - we simply do not know how to market the brand.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: tisHimself, 11/12/2012 11:54:49 AM     (No. 9008980)

The nominee was a guy who demonstrated huge problems connecting with republican voters in the states he most needed. East coast liberals should be used only as Vice presidential material to balance a conservative ticket.

Vague on immigration, helpless to criticize the very real threats to individual freedoms housed inside a health care monstrosity he crafted, and the wrong guy to champion the needed regulation on Wall Street. Right guy as treasury secretary, but not the guy to campaign as the champion of Main Street. In retrospect, the worst possible choice to articulate the tried and true conservative message.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: absalom, 11/12/2012 11:59:07 AM     (No. 9008994)

Companies who blame their customers when they end up filing for bankruptcy are ignorant laughingstocks. So the voters are to blame are they? Principled conservatives warned in vain about Romney from day one but were villified. It´s real simple. Doofus Romney stood for anything, everything and nothing, simultaneously, and the voters knew it in their bones. So they chose the incompetent devil they knew. Stone cold reality.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: idahospanky, 11/12/2012 12:01:05 PM     (No. 9008998)

#9 well said. I agree. When will people learn United we stand, divided we fall.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: snowcloud, 11/12/2012 12:11:23 PM     (No. 9009013)

The next time I hear anyone say we should elected honorable people with scruples I´m gonna go off. We HAD A MAN LIKE THAT AND THE IDIOT VOTERS DIDN´T GET OUT FOR HIM. ***Sorry about the caps but I have to yell and vent.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: gwmcclintok, 11/12/2012 12:22:24 PM     (No. 9009030)

Romney should immediately de-concede and ask for a vote audit in FL OH CO and PA. He won´t of course because he is such a niccccccce guy. I see no further need to vote since the elections have become a sham.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: BaseballFan, 11/12/2012 12:36:55 PM     (No. 9009058)

Some things to bear in mind as my fellow conservatives tear each other apart:

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson

(This Nostradamus character had nothing on Thomas Jefferson).

One more quote:

"I´m wondering how long my fellow countrymen will attack each other, and I wonder what the cost will be."

-BaseballFan


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Reply 38 - Posted by: wwsweet, 11/12/2012 12:52:44 PM     (No. 9009096)

What Republicans need to do is buy one of the networks -- probably NBC by buying millions of shares of Comcast and reshuffling the board. Then they could reconfigure NBC and line it up with Fox.

Then it would be Fox and Fox-lite against CBS & ABC. If the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, a couple of hedge fund guys and a bank president or two pooled their substantial resources, they could make a dent in Conmcast ownership.

Whatever Republican runs, he/she runs against not just an opponent but the network media, NYT, WaPo. With a network hammer, the playing field might be leveled somewhat.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 11/12/2012 12:59:14 PM     (No. 9009119)

Romney was the best man for the job , but, for months and months , he was beaten up in the primaries
and by the holier than thou
talk show hosts on the right ,
like Ingraham and Limbaugh.
The same thing will happen in 2016 .
A candidate who might actually have national appeal will be eviscerated and damaged by fellow Republicans
before the Democrats
and the media even get to him.
I like Reince Priebus much ,much better than Steele.
But, we need to update and revamp the RNC .
Perhaps Romney is the guy to save the failing enterprise.
We need better voices and faces to represent Republicans.
The women vote killed us thanks to idiots like Mourdock and especially Limbaugh and Akin happily validating the
anti women stereotypes
that Democrats were promoting.
The nation´s demographics are changing and we need to stop repelling common sense women and legal Hispanics .
I personally have no hope for the majority black population
ever seeing the light.
Eight years of Obama will have encouraged anti white racism and dependence to the point where any
thoughts of mass conversion will be hopeless.
If the RNC can bring the far right , libertarians and the liberal Republicans together to war game a
common strategy ( which means every faction compromising and reining in the vitriol )
we might have a chance in 2014 and 2016.
We cannot keep going on like this and losing.


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Reply 40 - Posted by: cheeflo, 11/12/2012 1:14:35 PM     (No. 9009146)

I agree, #8. No quarter.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: get er done, 11/12/2012 1:17:15 PM     (No. 9009154)

Ditto to posts #18 and #21. Obama and his filthy political machine stole this election through voter fraud. The higher than possible voter turnout, the bogus "recount" in Florida, the voting machines that flipped votes from Romney to Obama in several states are evidence of fraud. I am certain that many many illegals voted in this election. The report of busloads of Somalis voting in Ohio cannot be overlooked.

Not all of the "47%" want to be on public assistance -- some have lost their jobs due to Obama´s failed economy.

Romney´s electors in the Electoral College should refuse to vote until the the States with blatant fraud hold new elections. Furthermore, the Congress should refuse to ratify the Electoral College vote until a valid (as in honest and true) presidential election is held.

Allen West should stand on his desk in Congress and shout his objection to ratifying the vote, and have wheel barrows of evidence rolled in before the Congress.



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Reply 42 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/12/2012 1:52:13 PM     (No. 9009235)

Alan West went to court and has been granted a PARTIAL recount. He is now trying for a FULL recount. Because West had a two year term he had to run this year.
I don´t know how they managed it but they redistricted him. My son used to be in his district. Then, in his new district they manufactured so many votes that they exceeded the number of voters in the district.

The Democrats say if he was a gentleman he would concede.

I was not sure at first, but I am now, that this election was stolen, particularly in the battleground states. I think they tried in North Carolina but didn´t quite manufacture enough.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: spiderman, 11/12/2012 1:56:22 PM     (No. 9009242)

Here is how we can win not only the next election but all elections in the future. The Repbuclians need to go hire Stephanie Cutter and people like her. Listen she doesn´t care who is in the White House she is a "Hired Gun" and will work for the highest bidder. Let her run the campaign from within and the party can keep the principles they have always had. That is the way you fight fire with fire.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: PoliticalJunky, 11/12/2012 1:58:44 PM     (No. 9009248)

Please excuse the second post but I just have to add that because Santorum and Gingrich fought him so hard Romney had no money left to answer Obama´s attacks on Bain and his character for quite a long time.

And why were Santorum and Gingrich hanging on when anyone with a pencil and a piece of paper could see that because there were states they were not on the ballot in and states where they were on the ballot in some counties and not others that there was not a hope in the world that they could get the nomination. We all should have known it and they should have known that it was an exercise in futility and they were just messing it up for our Party.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Sunhan65, 11/12/2012 1:59:08 PM     (No. 9009250)

And here´s what Romney did wrong: He lost. So, after a year of inevitability and invincibility talk from Mitt´s most ardent supporters, it turns out the electorate was too stupid to elect him. Or conservatives were too choosy. Or evangelicals were too bigoted. Or the TEA Party was too loud. Or whatever alibi the Romney operatives are pushing these days to explain their failure. Here´s the deal: From day one of the primaries, Team Romney ran exactly the campaign they wanted, and they lost to the worst president in U.S. history. It turns out the Romney Campaign was as arrogantly clueless and politically tone deaf as some of us feared. I respect Romney as a man and as a businessman, so here´s the bottom line: Mitt was hired to do a job, he hired his team, and they didn´t get it done. I feel sorry for Mitt Romney, but I feel worse for my country.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: redwhite&blue2, 11/12/2012 2:36:05 PM     (No. 9009346)

Rush just said that Mitt won every state that had Voter ID laws. Doesnt that tell you something?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: LZK, 11/12/2012 4:40:32 PM     (No. 9009543)

I give President Romney credit for a hard fought race...

WE had to win -- BIG -- in order for the "fraud" element of the demorat machine to be defeated....

Soooooo -- my fellow Americans -- it wasn´t the right time....

Younger Americans have to suffer some more before their eyes are opened....

Forget Washington DC -- it´s beyond repair....WE must go local and take one step at a time. Work with your republicans locally to shore/up your states....

When the goooooberment mandated school busing 35 years ago here in Chicago -- the public schools were emptied. Unfortunately the kids left behind -- were totally left behind. I had to take care of "mine" so I fled. The same thing will happen with obamacare. Some lawyer will figure out an "opt out". Just be patient....

LZK

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Phil_hk, 11/12/2012 5:19:12 PM     (No. 9009610)

#21 has stated the only hope

It is up to Republican governors to stamp out the voter fraud in their states. The problem being that The Obamanation of Desolation can now pack the Supreme court with union thugs and ex-ACORN employees that might thwart that.

The Republicans did not lose this election it was stolen from them. Does anyone, ANYONE really think that fewer people voted in this election than the last one?

Historically Demonrats added votes to Demonratic totals This time I think the simply found a way to delete votes from heavily Republican areas. This needs to be proved as even Union thugs, welfare Queens and dope dealers can see how having a small group of people determine the election before hand is dangerous.



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Reply 49 - Posted by: eljay, 11/12/2012 6:05:31 PM     (No. 9009689)

what #s 21 and 40 said!

republican governors sanitize the voting process.

buy a big network and stop fighting those with guns with sticks.



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Reply 50 - Posted by: flowerladytoo, 11/12/2012 8:36:12 PM     (No. 9009951)

I truly believe this presidential election was stolen,way before we went to the polls. The democrats and Obama were far too placid. They knew what was afoot. Millions of manufactured votes before the election even took place. Will the mainstream media investigate? God forbid. The polls were right, when you don´t factor in massive fraud. I´m glad Alan West is still fighting. His election was stolen too. At least it´s exposing more and more impossible scenarios. God bless him!

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Reply 51 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/12/2012 10:13:39 PM     (No. 9010122)

The leeches and poor dumb brainwashed kids won -- temporarily.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: rowbear, 11/12/2012 11:41:15 PM     (No. 9010309)

There is no way Romney got fewer votes than McCain did in ´08. I said on this very forum I believed the phoney polls showing how close the race was served only to mask the fraud when the Won was re-elected. This is beyond sad. I have no words to describe the anger and disappointment I´m feeling.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: Bla Bla, 11/13/2012 12:34:42 AM     (No. 9010342)

What Romney did right: he didn´t fight dirty like Obama did.
He did some things wrong, too, like not go on talk shows to show himself more human, and not fighting harder against misinformation by the media & Obama´s team. He didn´t´ explain his platform well enough. He didn´t take ground on Benghazi. He didn´t assure Medicare recipients & people on unemployment that he would continue helping them, and that he would find a way to help the working poor get medical coverage.

I know the media fought it, but we have to know that & buy air time, go on shows, etc., to overcome it.

But there´s much more blame to go around. The GOP should never have made us take a moderate YET AGAIN as our candidate. The media should be sued for FCC violations after their blatantly obvious bias all year. Dem voter fraud is also rampant & hasn´t been addressed.

In the end, I think swing voters who are hurting financially just couldn´t get the nerve to go 4 more years without govt help -- not knowing Romney would have helped them hang on. So, they marked the Obama ballot.

All of the above contributed to this loss.

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