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Obama still wrong on Libya; Crowley blows it
Washington Post, by Jennifer Rubin
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Posted By:Drive, 10/17/2012 9:28:19 AM
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In what surely was one of the weirdest incidents in a presidential debate, CNN’s Candy Crowley egregiously sided with President Obama on his false remarks on Libya, was repeatedly and decisively fact-checked post-debate as wrong (somewhere between “mostly wrong” and “pants on fire” in my book) and then backed away from her own incorrect assertion. As was the case in the vice presidential debate, the biggest story may be the after-the-debate tumult over White House misrepresentations on Libya. Here was the exchange: Link repaired by staff
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
Yosemite Sam, 10/17/2012 9:33:18 AM (No. 8939633)
One of the prerequisites of a post is a link to the original article.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
Analyn, 10/17/2012 9:42:15 AM (No. 8939648)
Article please
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
Hairy Eyeball, 10/17/2012 9:42:52 AM (No. 8939651)
Attention to detail is a requirement to post on this site!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
Bubbasuncle, 10/17/2012 9:45:36 AM (No. 8939662)
Try this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/obama-still-wrong-on-libya-crowley-blows-it/2012/10/17/b2e7eede-1841-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
offrope, 10/17/2012 10:02:39 AM (No. 8939721)
The headline is more accurate if you leave off the last word.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
wilko, 10/17/2012 10:06:12 AM (No. 8939732)
Candy was determined to be the story. How was she singled out to be moderator? I can name 20 people more qualified, who would be better prepared and would move the debate along without interfering.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
bassman, 10/17/2012 10:06:54 AM (No. 8939735)
The headline shows that Candy is to Barack Obama as Monica is to Bill Clinton.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
msjena, 10/17/2012 10:19:08 AM (No. 8939782)
Romney will have his chance to nail Obama on this at the next debate. How will O back away from the eight or more times he said this attack was a response to a video(including in that speech in the Rose Garden).
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
Maybeth, 10/17/2012 10:24:10 AM (No. 8939796)
I almost choked on my coffee after reading the observation posted at #7. The instant visual that produced in my mind is too funny .... but so true!
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
SoCalGal, 10/17/2012 10:24:37 AM (No. 8939800)
Rubin has an excellent idea:
Romney would do well to simply recite the timeline to viewers, making clear the president was either dissembling or out of the intelligence loop (which quickly discarded the spontaneous video protest theory because, of course, there never was a protest).
This is one example of how and when a simple timeline can do more clarification than any wordy prose.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
mikeyt64, 10/17/2012 10:27:01 AM (No. 8939807)
This is the thing that bothers me most. It is quite possible that last night was a draw or in favor of Romney, BUT FOR Candy Crowley attacking MItt on Benghazi. Why on God's green eatrth do Republicans allow far left moderators. Using Candy Crowley was like using a dumber Charles Krauthammer. Last lady moderator was almost like using Ann Coulter. I mean give me a break, whats wrong with us??
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
FiddlePig, 10/17/2012 10:31:59 AM (No. 8939825)
I heard it said best: “Debate moderator Candy Crowley wins the NFL replacement ref award”. Her “correction” of Mitt Romney of Libya was dead wrong. She later admitted such, but I suspect she knew all along. I found it odd that after Crowley's brazen attempt to rescue Obama, the "undecided" crowd cheered.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
BaseballFan, 10/17/2012 10:32:27 AM (No. 8939829)
The only way to make these debates fair at this point is to appoint Michelle Malkin as the moderator for the third debate.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
Persecutor2, 10/17/2012 10:40:49 AM (No. 8939855)
Call me Polyanna, but I think this is going to turn out like the Biden-Ryan debate--the media and other libs will initially crow about 0's comeback, but very shortly it will be seen that 0 didn't help himself much, if any, and may actually have hurt himself more. Crowley, too may have launched a boomerang at Romney that will come back and bounce off her fair-haired boy's noggin, by keeping the Libya story front and center. At any rate, I think 0 needed more than just a win to overcome his first pratfall, he needed Romney to fall flat on his face, and that apparently didn't happen.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
RancherJack, 10/17/2012 10:44:15 AM (No. 8939869)
I'm amazed ANYONE would think these "debates" are anything but TOTALLY RIGGED from the beginning.
The "Presidential Debate Commission" is a game run on the American citizen.
1. Originally created by the very left leaning League of Women Voters
2. Now owned by the Republican and Democrat Party (guess who wines those tug of wars)
3. Chaired by Mike McCurry and Frank Fahrenkopf (that's one sort-of Conservative)
4. Board members are - Howard Graham Buffett, J.C. Danforth, J. Griffen, A. Hernandez, C. Kennedy, N.N. Minow, R.D. Parsons, D. Ridings, A.K. Simpson
Danforth a Conservative? Make me guffaw. Simpson? Make me belly laugh.
And that "C. Kennedy"?
That's Caroline Kennedy. Whose only credentials for anything is being born into a mafia dynasty, the second half of which word is "nasty".
The "debates" are rigged, and you know it.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
Pepper Tree, 10/17/2012 10:45:31 AM (No. 8939874)
Obama: "Check the transcripts." Candy: (gesturing wildly) "I... he did in fact, sir." Obama: "Momm... Candy, Candy..."
(Some say) It's mighty fishy that Candy had this obscure, teeny factoid on the tip of her tongue at the very instant Barry called out to her for help.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
ww2daughter, 10/17/2012 10:50:04 AM (No. 8939891)
On the choice of moderators: I am going to be forwarding this message to the RNC regarding future debates. Why did you agree to these left wing moderators and the format of the debates???? What was your goal, and was it accomplished??? Are we “pandering” to the left for votes or was this just a “miscalculation” based on the polls???? I am a Republican and have contributed to the Romney/Ryan campaign because I believe in them. I believe the “debates” I have witnessed for both of my candidates could have been much more beneficial to the Romney/Ryan campaign had the moderators not been guests of the VP and the White House within the past few days, weeks or months. Someone needs to go to the “woodshed” and come back with more useful tactics than what I am seeing. This message is from a very, very concerned voter who wants to live in a free country without worrying about what “Jug Ears” has planned for this country!!!!
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
Blonde Patriot, 10/17/2012 10:51:49 AM (No. 8939901)
That Crowley steppped in at all is outrageous. She should be reprimanded for this - but we know better don't we.
Did she step in to back up Romney on any of his facts? NO. But she did interrupt Romney repeatedly.
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
berlin, 10/17/2012 10:53:16 AM (No. 8939907)
In Crowley we got exactly what you would expect to get from liberal, biased hacks. The Republican debate negotiators are nuts to allow these certified Obama-water-carriers to be moderators.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Norwegian Goddess, 10/17/2012 10:57:34 AM (No. 8939927)
I agree with #14.
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
zbogwan2, 10/17/2012 10:58:07 AM (No. 8939928)
What Candy and Obama said on Libya defied two weeks of Obfuscation on the facts by the Administrations minions. The news for this period on the Libyan attack ran from the attack as an act of terrorism and those that payed attention know the Pres. lied and his people also lied.
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
Hazymac, 10/17/2012 10:58:10 AM (No. 8939929)
Mark my words. We're going to find out that Obama knew in advance at least some of the questions, and had time to prepare specific sounding answers to them. Am I saying that Crowley lied at the beginning of the debate when she said that only she had seen the questions? Yes. That's exactly what I am saying.
Incidentally, some of the questions were absolutely terrible. Who in the hell decided which ones to allow? These "undecideds" were anything but undecided. Did you hear the applause when Candy sided, wrongly, with Obama on the Benghazi matter? And the anti-Bush question? What was that doing in the debate?
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Reply 23 - Posted by:
AppleAnnie, 10/17/2012 10:58:47 AM (No. 8939931)
Candy Crowley needs a Weight Watcher's program and a good, ah, man. Both would do her a world of good.
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Reply 24 - Posted by:
CaptainLibra, 10/17/2012 11:04:30 AM (No. 8939948)
At this stage in the election, anyone who is still "undecided" is either a fool or an idiot. I would be embarrassed to call myself one.
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Reply 25 - Posted by:
ilovedogs, 10/17/2012 11:09:34 AM (No. 8939958)
Not to put to fine a point on it but why do Repubs keep accepting biased moderators?
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Reply 26 - Posted by:
artman1746, 10/17/2012 11:10:46 AM (No. 8939961)
Republicans just can never get it into their head that liberals will cheat and lie as debate monitors. Crowley was given the freedom to select the questions; so she selected questions set up for Obama and questions negative for Romney. Of course she interrupted Romney many more times than Obama and allowed Obama 9% more time. Then broke in to stop Romney when he had Obama on the ropes with Libyia.
Liberals punish their own when they go off the reservation. If Crowley had not towed the line to assist Obama she would have been harangued mercilessly by liberal media, snubbed by friends and fellow professionals, looked down upon by her bosses at CNN and risked future plum assignments as well as few invites to the "right" Washington cocktail parties.
Crowley was well aware of this and few liberals can stand up against the liberal current. Republicans in the future should wake up and look at the real world.
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Reply 27 - Posted by:
SoCalGal, 10/17/2012 11:13:28 AM (No. 8939968)
Fox News's fact checker just labelled as bogus Candy Crowley's question on the "72 percent" differential between men's and women's pay. It seems that this "myth" (his words) came from the Census Department, where all full-time jobholders are lumped together and numbers run for compensation by gender regardless of the jobs held. By its own admission the Census Department's numbers are "loose".
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Reply 28 - Posted by:
SoCalGal, 10/17/2012 11:14:50 AM (No. 8939973)
PS. To those who believe he knew the questions in advance, try this on: The questions Candy-Baby formulated were tailored to his talking points. His stump speeches. He didn't need to know the questions.
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Reply 29 - Posted by:
rocket-j-squirrel, 10/17/2012 11:17:15 AM (No. 8939978)
Agree with #23. Crowley: ''Gov. Romney, what distinguishes you from Geo. W. Bush? You know, the guy who my hero has been battling for the last four years.''
Crowley: ''Mr. President, what makes you most like Bill Clinton, Mahatma Ghandi, FDR, Abe Lincoln, George Washington and Jesus?''
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Reply 30 - Posted by:
dman, 10/17/2012 11:35:44 AM (No. 8940028)
#16 has it right. The only question is why the RNC agrees to such fiasco's. Guess that's why they're the party of stupid.
As to the lies .. er, errors: Crowley "apologized" after the cameras went dark, much like a NYT retraction on page A-23.
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Reply 31 - Posted by:
O.G.'s Mom, 10/17/2012 11:37:47 AM (No. 8940038)
I don't know which was worse last night. Having to put up with Crowley's obvious media bias as she shut down Romney's discussion about Fast and Furious and famously stepped in to rescue Barry's rear on Benghazi OR---- looking at her.
As an older woman I resent the Debate Commission and the media digging up the ugliest, most unkempt looking women they could possibly find. First Martha Ra-Ditz and now this Crowley witch.
Who is up for Monday night? Theresa Heinz Kerry?
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Reply 32 - Posted by:
kens, 10/17/2012 11:45:34 AM (No. 8940065)
This isn't Crowley's fault. She's just hardwired to be a liberal socialist and of course is going to favor her Dear Leader. The Bozos I fault is this, so called, debate commission who selects these tools to moderate. You would think the Republicans would learn by now, wouldn't ya?
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Reply 33 - Posted by:
rocco49, 10/17/2012 11:54:35 AM (No. 8940091)
What a liar! What a shill! What a cow! Why doesn't Moochelle Chewbacca get Crowley on her "kid diet"?
Romney/Ryan 53% Stinky and the Joker 47%
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Reply 34 - Posted by:
IdahoSky, 10/17/2012 12:09:33 PM (No. 8940140)
I don't much care if Obama carries the favorable press today. Last night he lied about Libya and that is the big story that will come out of this debate. Obama lied and Crowley helped him do it. Americans are not fools. They saw it happen. Romney is going to benefit the most from last night's exchange.
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Reply 35 - Posted by:
real fifi, 10/17/2012 12:34:54 PM (No. 8940210)
Funny. Two weeks ago, Crowley knew the truth about Obama's rose garden speech on Benghazi and told Axelrod he was full of it when he claimed Obama said it was caused by terrorism,http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/16/Flashback-Crowley-To-Axelrod-Obama-Never-Said-Benghazi-Attack-Was-Act-Of-Terror-On-Day-After?utm_source=feedbur
and now we are supposed to think she just made an innocent error?
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Reply 36 - Posted by:
jglas, 10/17/2012 12:55:53 PM (No. 8940259)
Of course these debates have been rigged for the liberal. With MSM moderators how could they not be. The thing is Mitt won the first debate with a knockout and at worst he got a draw in this one. That means that for the series of three he can do no worse than a draw. Doing that in rigged debates against the incumbent is all he had to do. He has established himself as sufficiently presidential. Given Obama's record, he should win.
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Reply 37 - Posted by:
stjohnswood, 10/17/2012 12:56:04 PM (No. 8940260)
I think it was Krauthammer who said last night that Crowley was essentially functioning as Obama's teleprompter for him in the absence of a real one. Obama can't fight one on one, and hiding beyond the nearest available woman seems to be a pattern - much as I suspect he has nothing but disdain for women in general - which makes it all the more ironic. What a pathetic little punk. Hides his personal life behind Michelle Robinson. Hides from responsibility behind Hillary Clinton. Crowley finishes his ''tests'' for him. And Michelle again, leads an undeserved round of applause. What a hero.
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Reply 38 - Posted by:
tulunk, 10/17/2012 1:01:22 PM (No. 8940269)
This situation is so easy to correct: There will always be two moderators, each candidate choosing one. There will be a large time clock, and huge penalties for usurping more that 50% of the total time used--say 20% penalty for each minute over the allotted time. Obama would have 60% penalty last night. He can blame his chosen moderator if he goes over. Moderators forbidden to intervene on behalf of his candidate on promise of permanent ban on ever being considered for moderating in the future. Ah, well. The current GOP elite will never have a backbone, but I can dream.
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Reply 39 - Posted by:
faith_and_reason, 10/17/2012 1:08:48 PM (No. 8940297)
Hypothetical telephone conversation: Hi Barry, Holder here. As we had expected, several of Romney's debate prep team left their batteries in their cell phones. My sources activated the wiretap feature and picked up their planning sessions. They plan to accuse you of not recognizing the Bengazi attack as terrorism.
So go ahead with plan A... Use the vague comment about "no acts of terror will yada yada" from the Rose Garden speech. Get a highlighted copy to Candy. She says she'll be watching for our info packet.
She promised to be on standby any time you use the phrase "check the transcript." Use that phrase, and she'll know to scold Romney and to affirm that you are correct.
We need Candy to get in at least one strong rebuke of Romney while appearing to be just fact-checking.
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Reply 40 - Posted by:
EagleJim, 10/17/2012 1:29:48 PM (No. 8940347)
For those who heard the debate last night, below is a "reader's response" to an article about the Rose Garden speech Obama made. Check out the YouTube video. Did he call Bengahzi an act of terrorism? You be the judge.
Crowley and Obama are liars. Watch the full 'rose garden' speech on 9/12/2012.
President Obama Speaks on the Attack on Benghazi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc
If you watch the full thing -- see that Obama was talking about 9/11/2001 just prior to referring to "Acts of Terror" -- this is a section of the speech after he announced the "attacks" by "killers" in Benghazi. It is clear he was referring to 9/11/2001 and general such “acts of terror” and did not define Benghazi in that way – and ALL of his and his administration’s words and behavior after that point referred to protests and a video as the cause of the Benghazi attacks for several weeks following.
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Reply 41 - Posted by:
Kurto, 10/17/2012 1:29:58 PM (No. 8940348)
Liberals, today, may think Cowley saved barack's bacon with this lie. But, next Monday's debate is all foreign affairs. The lie will not stand.
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Reply 42 - Posted by:
Kennerboy, 10/17/2012 1:38:28 PM (No. 8940364)
#17 nailed it. Quite a coincidence that Candy Corn Crowley had the rose garden transcript at hand when O shouted "read the transcript"
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Reply 43 - Posted by:
Farmwife1, 10/17/2012 1:39:20 PM (No. 8940368)
The great part about Candy Crawly’s defense of the Won is that consciously or subconsciously the Libya mess/cover-up and the Bamster’s inept handling of it will remain in peoples’ minds. Bet Hillary is thinking she fell on O’s big stick for nothing, thanks to Ms. Crawly.
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Reply 44 - Posted by:
GreatPlains, 10/17/2012 2:33:19 PM (No. 8940510)
The debate transcript really highlights, in quite shocking fashion , how often that Crowley stepped in to shut down Romney and fluff up Obama. I thought Radditz was the worst moderator in history , Crowley now wears that title and the gold belt. The pressure is now on Schieffer . Next debate , he can act in a professional manner like Lehrer. Or he can act like the women and make a national fool of himself. The president of the United States often asked " Candy " to intervene and rescue him , which she always did. I immediately found it strange that Obama directed Crowley to look at the transcript and her quick response indicated that she just happened to have that particular piece of paper right in front of her. It's hard to consider this coincidence and not collusion between the Obama campaign and Crowley. Gallup is also going to get mud on them if this turns out to be true. Despite Crowley holding Obama's hand, Romney still dominated. Rubin recognized that, unfortunately most at MSNBC lite ( except for Hannity, Greta and Rove ) seem to be modeling themselves after Chuck Todd, even Hume. C -Span is the best way to view the debates. We get to decide.
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Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/8/2013 10:27:49 PM
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HARTFORD, Conn. -- With time running out on the chance to pass gun control legislation, President Barack Obama on Monday warned Congress not to use delaying tactics against tighter regulations and told families of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims that he´s "determined as ever" to honor their children with tougher laws. Obama´s gun control proposals have run into resistance on Capitol Hill, leaving their fate in doubt. Efforts by Senate Democrats to reach compromise with Republicans over expanding required federal background checks have yet to yield an agreement, and conservatives were promising to try
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The most shocking news you won´t see in the MSM today
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American Thinker, by Thomas Lifson
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Posted By: magnante- 4/9/2013 11:49:09 AM
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The murder trial of abortionist Kermit Gosnell largely is being ignored by the mainstream media, even in the face of grisly testimony, such as what we heard yesterday. Life News reports: ...a former employee described how she heard a baby scream during a live-birth abortion. Abortion clinic employee Sherry West described an incident which "really freaked (her) out" and related to the jury how she heard a child who was born alive following an abortion scream.
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Kim Jong-un Wants Phone Call from Obama - report
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Korea Broadcast Service, by Staff
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Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/8/2013 6:56:50 AM
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North Korea’s young leader Kim Jong-un is waiting for United States President Barack Obama to make a phone call to Pyongyang to discuss easing tensions on the Korean peninsula, according to Russia’s news agency Itar-Tass. The report cited United Kingdom diplomats, saying Pyongyang was demanding the U.S. president personally call Kim Jong-un as one of the conditions to relieve the current conflict at hand. Itar-Tass also quoted the U.K.’s Sky News as saying North Korea currently has eight nuclear warheads.
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White House: Planned GOP gun filibuster cowardly
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Washington Times, by Dave Boyer
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Posted By: Dreadnought- 4/8/2013 11:08:31 PM
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Beginning a week of high pressure on gun control, the White House on Monday accused some Republican senators of cowardice for planning to filibuster gun legislation without allowing the full Senate to vote on President Obama’s initiatives. “If they oppose this legislation, have the courage to say so on the floor and vote no,” said White House press secretary Jay Carney. “Don’t block it. Don’t hide behind a procedural action to prevent a vote. That’s the wrong thing to do, and that’s how the president clearly feels.”
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´Mickey Mouse Club´ star Annette Funicello dies at 70
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Los Angeles Times, by Dennis McLellan
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Posted By: JoniTx- 4/8/2013 1:18:00 PM
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Annette Funicello, the dark-haired darling of TV´s “The Mickey Mouse Club” in the 1950s who further cemented her status as a pop-culture icon in the ´60s by teaming with Frankie Avalon in a popular series of “beach” movies, died Monday. She was 70. Funicello, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1987 and became a spokeswoman for treatment of the chronic, often-debilitating disease of the central nervous system, died at Mercy Southwest Hospital in Bakersfield, Walt Disney Co. spokesman Howard Green said. Funicello and her husband, Glen Holt, had moved from
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Chelsea Clinton doesn´t close door to public office
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USA Today, by Catalina Camia
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Posted By: jackson- 4/8/2013 10:23:20 AM
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Chelsea Clinton has raised her profile in the last few days, which sparked the inevitable question about the former first daughter´s future: Will she ever be like Mom and Dad and run for office? Clinton, 33, essentially said "maybe" in an interview that aired Monday on NBC´s Today show. "Right now I´m grateful to live in a city, a state and a country where I strongly support my mayor, my governor, my president and my senators and my representative," said Clinton, whose father, Bill, was president from 1993-2001 and her mother, Hillary
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Special ops veterans’ group calls for select probe of Benghazi attack
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Fox News, by Catherine Herridge
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Posted By: JoniTx- 4/8/2013 7:00:09 AM
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More than 700 Special Operations veterans are urging members of Congress to back a select committee to investigate last year’s Benghazi terrorist attack, according to a letter first obtained by Fox News. The letter from the group, “Special Operations Speaks,” supports the appointment of a special committee tasked with the single mission of investigating the attack that left Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans dead, and shut down the CIA operation in an annex of the Benghazi consulate, in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack. “Congress must show some leadership and provide answers to the public
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Obama flying 11 relatives of Sandy Hook victims to D.C. on Air Force One so they can back gun control in person
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Associated Press, by Staff
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Posted By: BuckeyeRon- 4/8/2013 4:05:18 PM
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President Barack Obama is bringing 11 relatives of those killed in the shooting at Connecticut´s Sandy Hook Elementary School to Washington on Air Force One on Monday so they can personally encourage senators to back gun legislation that faces tough opposition. A nonprofit organization that works with the families, Sandy Hook Promise, said that after Obama´s speech on gun control in Hartford, he is flying with relatives of seven children and one staffer killed during December´s massacre at the school. The White House says Obama is going to argue that lawmakers have an
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Updated: White House, McCain blast Cruz for threatening filibuster over guns
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Houston Chronicle, by Joanna Raines
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Posted By: JoniTx- 4/8/2013 4:55:05 PM
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There was growing buzz over the weekend that a bipartisan agreement on gun control — a deal that would expand background checks — could hit the floor as early as this week. However, any deal could be derailed by the looming threat of a Republican filibuster involving Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. With Cruz standing proudly in the way of any gun legislation, Democrats are trying to make him pay a political price — and even a couple of high-profile Republicans are questioning his tactics.
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North Korea´s Army Is Full of Jumping, Leaping, High-Kicking Martial Artists
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Atlantic, by Connor Simpson
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Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/8/2013 5:48:23 AM
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Amid all of the very real threats of war and stuff from North Korea, you´d think American intelligence officers want as much video footage of the enemy as possible. Well, here is one video featuring North Korean exercises and Kim Jong-Un holding a gun, and we´ll say this: they certainly get points for presentation. Remember the clap-happy report from Dennis Rodman´s diplomatic basketball vacation? This video comes courtesy of the same Youtube channel that gave us that Rodman video. It appears to be the same state news channel.(Snip for video)This latest dispatch from North Korea´s state television
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Gay Connecticut couple accused of raping adopted children will face trial
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New York Daily News, by Erik Ortiz
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Posted By: Drive- 4/8/2013 8:52:23 AM
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The case of a same-sex Connecticut couple accused of repeatedly raping and abusing two of their nine adopted boys is headed for trial. Married couple George Harasz and Douglas Wirth of Glastonbury were supposed to be sentenced Friday in Hartford Superior Court under a plea deal, but instead withdrew from their agreement with prosecutors. The men had already pleaded no contest in January to one felony count each of risk of injury to a minor — a reduction from even more serious charges related to sexual assault....
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