The left is going to be really, really surprised tomorrow when they wake up and realize that biden is not and can not help barack h. obama get re-elected. Also, they will freak when they see that the American public does not and will not like biden's behavior tonight.
I just got into Lucianne too. Thanks for the update. I watched bits and pieces, but couldn't take the smarmy, smug, rude, infantile behavior of Biden. He came across as a total ass. But, of course, Libs probably think that's cool. I want to know how the Independents viewed the debate.
I quit watching the debate about 1/3 of the way into it because of Biden and the moderator. This was a farce. I've read that Ryan's closing statement was good, so I'll have to watch at least that. It's good to see that even a CNN poll has Ryan winning, if only by a small margin. I really hope Biden's behavior backfires on him and Obama.
I was so lost not being able to access L.com for the entire time of the debate. I ended up screaming at the TV every time Biden interrupted Ryan. I really needed to see that I was not going it alone. Biden was making me absolutely nuts with his grinning behavior. I wouldn't vote for Biden for dog catcher!
Ryan was way too wonky & timid. He really didn't impress me at all. Ryan may have the facts but by posing and sneering Joe wins with his base and the press will take care of the rest of the story. This is just a taste of what Obama's game plan will probably be in the next debate.
My gosh. I had to wait so long to get into Lucianne. I guess I'm an addict. Biden may have won on points (according to many in the media) but lost on behavior. Like Gore's ridiculous sighing episodes with GWB, Biden lost it. We will now call him Chicklets. How many teeth whitening treatments did he undergo before tonight??
Biden was an ugly, bullying old man. He was working hard - too hard - at mocking Ryan. In the theater he'd have been said to be chewing the scenery. Exaggerating. He looked like a braying fool, to quote someone up the line.
Ryan was substance; Biden was wrong. He said the state department people in Benghazi had not asked for additional security when the news today was full of the report on yesterday's House Oversight Committee hearing in which the security people from Benghazi said they asked repeatedly and were not granted what they needed.
We don't need jokers in the White House. Especially uninformed, bullying jokers.
This is the 2012 version of Al Gore's infamous debate performance in 2000--smirks, sighs, eyerolls, and interruptions.
That's all anyone's going to remember two days from now.
Ryan did okay. He would have had to be as big a jerkoff as Biden in order to overcome the interruptions and that horrible moderator, and he wisely decided to be the bigger man. He did what he needed to.
Laughed my butt off when Biden referred to something as an Obamanation. It was on a policy question I think. His smirk and grin when Ryan was talking are an old trick applied by fools. That is being twittered to death by both sides of the media. It didn't work.
I could only watch about ten minutes of the debate. I couldn't take anymore of Biden's stupid grins and smiles, shaking his head and showing his teeth like a braying mule.
Pundits said that if you listened to the Kennedy/Nixondebate on the radio, you thought Nixon had won, But if you watched the debate on television you thought Kennedy won because of the way Nixon looked.
I'm not saying that's what happened tonight, but I would hope that Paul Ryan came out the better.
I couldn't stand those interruptions. The moderator was an utter failure, whoever she is.
Joe's Chiclet teeth and ape grins, anytime something serious like Iran sanctions came up gave me the willies - this jerkoff is in charge, remember.
I regret Ryan did not have a chance to rebut the embassy security charge with the latest scandal about the Vienna ambassador's volts while the Benghazi consulate went ignored for security, or the 47% and the damning legacy of dependency, starting with what it has done to Venezuela. But he got interrupted, what could he do?
Joe's lies about contraception and the size of Syria and a whole bunch of other stuff were just disgusting.
The closing speeches had Ryan in all his classy dominance and I was proud of him.
Overall, it wasn't as big a victory as Romney's over Obama but it was a victory nevertheless and Ryan clearly bested Biden.
Congressman - Vice President - Ryan wins by a mile; he was very respectful to a rude, obnoxious, braying jackass -- who just happens to be the soon-to-be-former Vice President of the United States! What WERE we thinking in 2007?
I think it's amazing that Ryan pulled off a win going away, even though it was two against one, Biden and the idiot moderator versus a respectful, polite, knowledgeable, unflappable Congressman Ryan.
Worst. Debate. Ever. Biden was a stupid jerk. The moderator was horrible. Ryan was not allowed to complete a thought. It was awful. Then, Luntz's focus group was also stupid. Those people didn't know what they wanted except to have everything sunshine and roses, I guess. What a waste of an evening. The good news is this should put the nail in Obama's coffin.
I couldn't get in until now...lost access right at the beginning of the debate. Same thing happened last week :-( Really hope this is fixed before the next debate, because I need my Lucianne friends to help me through these debates. Biden came across as a jerk, and even more nasty and out of line than usual. I really think he needs to be evaluated for dementia. That isn't a laughing matter, and I don't say it lightly. He's always been a mean jerk, but something is different...he has no business being in any public office, much less as VP. The fact that he is one heartbeat away from the presidency is frightening...sigh. Ryan did very well, but the pundits are falling all over themselves to say Biden won the debate..they must have watched a different debate than I did!
I, too, got Denial of Service errors for about two hours as I tried to read everyone's else's reaction. Biden might be the most obnoxious and disrespectful person in politics with his constant interruptions, mugging, smirking, tittering, audible heavy breathing, and outright laughter. He deserved to have his hairplugs smacked right out of his scalp.
John Hinderaker at Powerline thinks that Ryan lost the debate by being too respectful and unforceful as nearly all of his answers were chopped off either by Biden or the lousy moderator. No doubt the Democrat activists loved Joe's performance, since the lot of them employ rudeness on a daily basis.
I don't agree with Hindrocket, though. Having some personal familiarity with proper debating techniques, I know that Biden would be put in his place in a real forensic contest--a decent moderator would not have allowed him to get away with what he did throughout the debate tonight. And let's not even get into his personal "facts." This guy lies his ass off every day. For a living.
I didn't see the substance in Biden's debate. His answers were simplistic, and for emphasis he repeated himself. Really? Are we hard of hearing or stupid? Ryan was substantive and his closing was EXCELLENT! Biden's closing? More of the same...simplistic & repetitive.
How 'bout all of us out here who love Lucianne and count on our fellow L-dotters to maintain our sanity pitch in $25 a piece to feed the bandwidth beast so L-dot can get a new server before the next debate?
Ra-ditz was so biased in her so-call moderating the debate that it was sickening. The discussion of Syria, for example. Biden goes on and on with BS, Ryan gives his answer and she says Okay what happens if Bashhad (or whatever the frig his name is) doesn't leave AND TURNS TO RYAN. She's got the Vice President whose administration is in charge of this mess and she turns to Ryan for an answer? Couple her cutting off Ryan, challenging Ryan's answers, letting that moron Biden go on and on. And BTW, where are the women's groups? Biden was so disrespectful of the little woman ditz that she should have been wearing an apron. He orally smacked her in the face a couple of times. But being a MSM ditz and Obama friend, she took it and went after Ryan. Total bias.
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M Stuart, 10/12/2012 12:08:14 AM (No. 8927272)
Who made the stupid decision to have the candidates looking at the moderator instead of into the camera and the eyes of the American people? One of Paul Ryan's best features is his direct truthful look.
Who thought that not looking at us was a good idea? I hope I hear about that!
Now we know ...the Leering Maniacal Grin, arching brows, and mad giggling prove it: Clueless Joe IS the JOKER!!
They threw likability out the window and went for teh crazy. Nevertheless, Luntz has women panelists saying: he's impressive; he could be president. Well, he ain't. Jokin' Joe has lost every Presidential race he's ever run, and hasn't said one useful thing in 4 years. He's on stage lying, baring his teeth, cackling, and rolling his eyes like a vampire in the moonlight on Halloween.
Well after over 30 years inside the DC beltway Joe Biden showed that he has all the liberal Democrat talking points down pat. But it looked like he partook in too much of that famous Kentucky bourbon before he arrived at the debate and came off as the most disrespectful politician who has ever appeared in such a debate.
Biden stated that he voted against the middle east wars when history shows that he actually voted in favor of them.
Also throwing the intelligence services under the bus was not a good idea, as Obama and Biden may well find out at the most inopportune time later this month.
The moderator lost control and was biased against Paul Ryan.
Biden was disrespectful and rude to the moderator as well. I hope those of you who post elsewhere and who are more eloquent than I keep up this meme. A poster noted that he may have cost Obama the women's vote. He was a bully both to Ryan and to Radditz.
If I were a Democrat I would be ashamede to have Biden be representing me--but then, I guess that is why I am a republican.
Smirking and rude he looked more old and addled than masterful IMO. The dems will love it because it is so Jerry Springer but the independents? I don't think so.
Biden looked ignorant and arrogant and I am biased but to me he was so not believable. It will be interesting to read about the focus groups.
I loved Ryans closing statement looking into the camera with direct speech and double loved that he wouldn't let rude old Joe rattle him.
The moderator was okay but let Biden overtalk Ryan. Next time they negotiate terms, they should add time for talkovers of the other guy. Moderator cut Ryan off twice after Biden had talked over him.
I liked her questions. Question for the independents--which VP looked the most presidential--which represents what you would want as second in line? Snarky olf blustering, bloviating Biden or a vital and clear eyed Ryan?
I missed the debate (long story). I was struck in this thread though by how little anyone mentioned Ryan - it was all Plugs Plugs Plugs and his crass behavior & clown grin. But someone in another thread just said they weren't impressed by Ryan either and that he didn't strike them as ready to be prez! Yikes. While I realize the virtues of Ryan, I was never that happy with him as the pick though there was no perfect choice, but this worries me a bit.
I was locked out all night..., bummer. Ryan did alright. I think he could have done better, but then it is always easier to think of things to say when you are on the sidelines. Laughing boy was not only interrupting constantly, but he was rude, nasty, and kept complaining about time even though he actually spoke about 2 minutes longer than Ryan did--not including the interruptions and speaking over Ryan. And while he looked like a creepy insane clown, the good thing is that Laughing Boy could never be confused with a statesman.
Good afternoon fellow L-Dotters. Watched the debate last night. Joe "BFD" Biden came across as a smug, smirking buffoon. His constant disrespect of Ryan was beyond the pale and his bright white teeth and fake tan made him look like the Joker from Batman. It reminded my of Al Goron's goofy performance back in 2000. Mr Ryan some say was a bit nervous and timid. I say that he showed grace under fire and got a few zingers in on old Obamanation Joe. Ms Raddatz as a moderator was absolutely horrible. This putz with her grating voice and shifty look let BFD interrupt Ryan and she keep cutting him off while he was trying to make his points. She also asked Ryan pointed questions like asking for specifics on the budget. And they say Jim Leher did a bad job. He's got nothing on this hag. It looks like the polling showing that the Congressman won anyway so what's the O (dummer) Team going to do now. If I had to grade this it would be BFD-F+, Ryan A, Raddish-F.
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