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National Review Online, by Michael Walsh

Original Article

Posted By:Dreadnought, 10/10/2012 10:40:02 PM

I’ll likely have more to say on this down the road, but it seems to me that the Obama administration has made a huge unforced error in trying to lay off blame for the Benghazi fiasco on the intelligence community. Because, wherever the buck stops when we get to end of this debacle, it’s not going to be in Langley, Va. (the CIA), Fort Meade, Md, (the National Security Agency), or any of the other centers of the American IC. It’s not even going to be shouldered by the State Department’s intel service, the Bureau

  

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Reply 1 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 10/10/2012 10:46:10 PM     (No. 8924497)

And these are the people who are formulating our strategic policy ???

They can't even think two moves ahead.

Or do they know something we don't know ?


Reply 2 - Posted by: montanabound, 10/10/2012 11:04:58 PM     (No. 8924517)

Where is Gen Petraeus?


   

 

  


 
Reply 3 - Posted by: NY Betsy Rose, 10/10/2012 11:16:02 PM     (No. 8924543)

The CIA etc not going to take this lying down. They're better at what they do than The Occupant. Tsk tsk O.. that's one bus that backs up.


Reply 4 - Posted by: Davids918, 10/10/2012 11:18:25 PM     (No. 8924547)

OBAMINATION


Reply 5 - Posted by: Robinsolana, 10/10/2012 11:44:06 PM     (No. 8924573)

The Obama regime admits Obama has lied for 4 weeks to coverup the deadly security failures in Benghazi and all the while the little con-man in California, who Obama blamed initially, is still in jail.


Reply 6 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 10/11/2012 2:20:14 AM     (No. 8924747)

How deep over their heads are Obama, Alexrod and Jarrett? (The idea of blaming spontaneous demonstrators is vintage "Astroturf" Axelrod.) First, Stevens was a career diplomat, which makes him one of the Intelligence communities own people. The State Department grapevine has to be full of employee concerns about where else the security may be too lax.

Second, this isn't Chicago where the government belongs in Democrat hands in perpetuity. No career DC bureaucrat is going to lie under oath to a Republican control committee, especially not when it's possible they all may be reporting to a Republican boss in 100 days.


Reply 7 - Posted by: Butch, 10/11/2012 2:52:44 AM     (No. 8924756)

#6 Right you are.

This bunch is too clever by half, they're crooks, and they're burning all their bridges. A big smackdown is coming, and soon. That Mitt Romney is surging makes it all the worse for Obama & Co.; as the likelihood of a new Republican president increases, support for Obama evaporates.


   

 

  


 
Reply 8 - Posted by: FenwayFrank, 10/11/2012 7:20:34 AM     (No. 8924932)

My money is on General Petraeus hosting the mother of all October surprises.


Reply 9 - Posted by: planetgeo, 10/11/2012 7:25:15 AM     (No. 8924940)

There are still plenty of competent, patriotic Americans laboring among the apparatchiks and political appointees in our intelligence agencies. It was only a matter of time before they managed to find a way to dribble the truth out.

My concern is about what the incredibly inept and seemingly unconcerned Republicans in Congress are going to do about it. They can't seem to ever do any investigation right. It's like watching a kitten attempt to kill its first mouse. A lot of mewing and batting around, but no blood.


Reply 10 - Posted by: walcb, 10/11/2012 7:40:54 AM     (No. 8924978)

I heard a new pass the buck yesterday--Congress aka the House (controlled by the Republicans) cut spending on embassy security, so it is the House Republican's fault. This is an excuse the MSM can wrap their brains around and run with.


Reply 11 - Posted by: FlatCityGirl, 10/11/2012 7:45:49 AM     (No. 8924994)

Administrations come and go. Life-long, entrenched civil service agency employees are forever, and if you've got two brain cells firing at the same time, you don't cross them.


Reply 12 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 10/11/2012 7:49:30 AM     (No. 8925002)

Wow! just Wow. This will be on someone's stack of stuff today.


   

 



 
Reply 13 - Posted by: Douglas DC, 10/11/2012 8:08:02 AM     (No. 8925050)

If anyone has dealt with the Spooks, as the
article said; "They play hard and dirty"..
This is going to be done by the 15th..


Reply 14 - Posted by: enuf8, 10/11/2012 8:12:53 AM     (No. 8925062)

#10-- Cummings TRIED to pout the blame for not funding enough on the Pubs, but that was debunked rapidly by finally gettinh answers from the Under Secty Kennedy and his underling. They both said funding was not the problem-----just their decisions.


Reply 15 - Posted by: LZK, 10/11/2012 8:13:06 AM     (No. 8925063)

Brings to mind the wonderful saying coined by the military man during the Katrina rescue. "You can't fix stupid".

LZK


Reply 16 - Posted by: Bubbasuncle, 10/11/2012 8:14:40 AM     (No. 8925065)

Ain't going to work#10, Piglosi tried to get that meme going last week and it really never caught on. As Dr. K said last night, the extra security requested cost less than a GAO conference. Secondly, the State Dept. is doubling down on 'there was the proper security in place' and besides nobody believes that the Republicans are at fault because they are not in control. Three or four more days and the Regime will be crippled by this.


Reply 17 - Posted by: nevernaught, 10/11/2012 8:26:39 AM     (No. 8925096)

My theory is that TSA, the Social Security Administration and possibly Public Television bought all the bullets in the land and the intelligence agencies are now using Bows and arrows and BB guns. I wonder how many shells Holder has sent to the Drug Cartels. Now I know what the slogan 'An Army of One' means.


   

 

  


 
Reply 18 - Posted by: Quaestio, 10/11/2012 8:32:48 AM     (No. 8925112)

I told my family this three weeks ago. I was more hoping I'd be correct, especially after that unbelievable statement about how Obama is the 'most sophisticated consumer of intelligence. Ick, I feel sick all over again. I've been wondering about Petraeus as well, and when the administration will ask him to cover for them. I hope he's waiting like a coiled serpent.

Oh, and watch the speech by Lara Logan. She basically calls the administration a bunch of liars and calls them out for not responding to an attack on our soil!


Reply 19 - Posted by: Phil_hk, 10/11/2012 8:32:49 AM     (No. 8925113)

I think the Obamanation of Desolation panicked when this happened. I also think they thought it would go away If they could pin the blame on something else.

As has been said many times before. It isn't the crime it is the coverup. If Jelly-jar had simply come on TV and said "We misread the situation, it got a diplomat killed. I cannot undo what has been done but this is how we will try to keep it from happening again" He would have looked like a leader and come out of this stronger. I am so glad he didn't do that


Reply 20 - Posted by: pineledger, 10/11/2012 9:03:22 AM     (No. 8925204)

For me the most telling quote in the article:

Alienating spookdom, however, is a new order of magnitude stupid. Because spooks fight back — hard and dirty. Bob Woodward and Jake Tapper are only phone calls away. And CIA Director David Petraeus is just one press conference shy of bringing down the whole house of cards.

Yes, The Wun is stoopid, and we're just finding out how stupid he is. It boggles the mind.


Reply 21 - Posted by: chicodon, 10/11/2012 9:06:54 AM     (No. 8925209)

You don't actually expect a politician to accept blame do you? Of course it was the intelligence community. It always is. Maybe this time they won't fall on their swords. I think their dislike of Obama is visceral.


Reply 22 - Posted by: Maybeth, 10/11/2012 9:07:23 AM     (No. 8925211)

There's that word 'spook' again.
Oh my.


   

 



 
Reply 23 - Posted by: veritas, 10/11/2012 9:08:56 AM     (No. 8925212)

So, the Obama insider cabal is hanging-out-to-dry a bunch of people who do what for a living [at least in part]? Things involving disappearances, suppressed firearms, certain chemistries that "don't enhance quality of life," shall we say, and similar advanced skills of "limited transferablility to legal private employment"?

Oh -- and the delicious Schadenfreude of the timing! Barack Hussein Obama. Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm.

Popcorn!


Reply 24 - Posted by: Elvira, 10/11/2012 9:38:19 AM     (No. 8925286)

Yes, it's all falling apart. No, you don't screw the people sworn to uphold the constitution - and take that oath seriously - and to protect this nation.

There may be some new stars on the wall at Langely, but by God it sickens me to my soul how these men died!

A blunder? Really?


Reply 25 - Posted by: Mobyclik, 10/11/2012 9:41:24 AM     (No. 8925292)

How come I envision a room the size of the Superdome filled with the leftwing obama butt-kissing so-called 'journalists,' all gathered together to piece together a monumental lie to cover for this most inept gang of ignorant, lying, anti-Americans to ever stink up Washington D.C.?

Bidens comments on these murders should be eye-bulging tonight.


Reply 26 - Posted by: 6angels, 10/11/2012 9:42:41 AM     (No. 8925295)

spooks: it's a good thing
Obama is going to need more than dim-witted lesbians & Chicago thugs to hold up against spooks.


Reply 27 - Posted by: Felixcat, 10/11/2012 10:06:25 AM     (No. 8925364)

Re: #6 - "Stevens was a career diplomat, which makes him one of the Intelligence communities own people."

I wouldn't go so far as to say Stevens was one of their own. The career FSOs at State owerwhelmingly tend to be very liberal; view their role in the world-at-large as being the benign, intelligent face of America as opposed to those ignorant American tourists who don't know how to use a bidet*. These same FSOs tend to view the intel types as focusing on details like threats that take away from the big picture of sipping mint tea with the locals.

* It use to be that in the older sections of the main State Dept Building, the bathrooms still had bidets in them.


Reply 28 - Posted by: Poliskeptic, 10/11/2012 10:17:50 AM     (No. 8925421)

I'm with #12...just "wow"! That was candid, curt and blunt, and Mr. Walsh speaks the truth.

Just like the original September 11th when our guts said Osama bin Laden, our guts knew organized terrorism was to blame despite the trumped up demonizing of the maker of an obscure video.


Reply 29 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 10/11/2012 10:33:20 AM     (No. 8925477)

Romney needs to clean house in January. That includes Patreaus and FBI Director Robert Mueller. Fire the Joint Chief`s of Staff and bring in new blood while he`s at it.


Reply 30 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/11/2012 10:34:28 AM     (No. 8925485)

Am I the only one who thinks the liar in chief isnt even smart enough to come up with the video lie? This has Axelrod and Jarret's slimy fingerprints all over it. And of course the best response would have been to say.. "we cant comment until all the facts are known". We are used to that crap. Would have saved him, but of course, he is the smartest person in the world, so his ego wouldnt let him admit it. Why say "I dont know", when a lie usually works with the free phone masses.


Reply 31 - Posted by: RancherJack, 10/11/2012 10:43:35 AM     (No. 8925511)

Ya'll are wrong.

They're not crooks and incompetents.

You need to start thinking bone-deep evil


Reply 32 - Posted by: PChristopher, 10/11/2012 11:01:19 AM     (No. 8925577)

Because spooks fight back — hard and dirty.

I've know one or two in my life and I wouldn't want them mad at me. They have a level of nasty that most Chicago politicians can't really grasp and should be very afraid of. They also know where every birth certificate is buried.


Reply 33 - Posted by: preciosodrogas, 10/11/2012 11:01:38 AM     (No. 8925578)

Gen. Pray-tell-us, we are waiting to hear from you. Your people have been charged by the regime how do you plead? Say ye soul or soulless? The silence is deafening.


Reply 34 - Posted by: Hobbiest, 10/11/2012 11:15:36 AM     (No. 8925631)

#28 First, Stevens was the specific target of the attack. Why? Consider that after Khaddafi supposed swore off terror during the Bush administration Stevens' job had been to meet regularly with him and his family. Then when the policy changed he is said to have used all that information to help remove Khaddafi. That all suggests to me lots and lots of contact with the intelligence side.

Also, who do you think first taught spookdom how to play death by 10,000 leaks? The State Department has long been the most rogue agency in the federal government.


Reply 35 - Posted by: earlybird, 10/11/2012 11:19:39 AM     (No. 8925648)

Petraeus has been strangely silent throughout all of this. Yesterday in Issa's terrific House Oversight Committee hearing, "intelligence' was blamed over and over again by the State Department's Kennedy (who reports directly to Hillary) for what Susan Rice said on television on September 16 - the video did it. And went on to say that with the intelligence he had, he'd have had to say the same thing. Five days AFTER the Benghazi massacre.

I have never been as impressed with Petraeus as everyone else has. So now we'll have a chance to see what he is really made of.


Reply 36 - Posted by: fed-up, 10/11/2012 11:20:26 AM     (No. 8925652)

For those asking about Gen Petraeus, dont be too sure he will not defend the One. As hard as that might be to imagine, Rep Peter King has been on FNC this morning revealing that Petreus was standing by the video comment in a hearing. There are too many defying logic here.


Reply 37 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 10/11/2012 11:25:25 AM     (No. 8925669)

Re #10. one of the Dems at the House Oversight Committee tried to float that funding thing at the hearing yesterday. It was thoroughly hammered, and finally cleared away by the report on the $$$$ spent last spring on the "greening" of the U. S. Embassy in Vienna, described by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) here:

Libya security cut while Vienna
embassy gained Chevy Volts
http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=706222


Reply 38 - Posted by: RightShoe, 10/11/2012 11:25:43 AM     (No. 8925672)

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Mr. Walsh.

I suspect that the specter of a Romney Presidency will be enough to keep them quite for just enough weeks to let this subside.

I do hope that I'm wrong.


Reply 39 - Posted by: Udanja99, 10/11/2012 11:40:15 AM     (No. 8925717)

I'm betting that Patraeus and his family have been threatened into silence. It's the Chicago way.


Reply 40 - Posted by: Grambo, 10/11/2012 11:55:31 AM     (No. 8925765)

Petraeus can put his career on the line going mano a mano with his boss, or he can wait 30 days and let the people fire their employee. He’s wisely choosing the latter.


Reply 41 - Posted by: leviteprez, 10/11/2012 11:57:07 AM     (No. 8925774)

the reason they are all lying and dancing... is.. that this compound was a spook house.... **like the muslims didnt know that***


Reply 42 - Posted by: Marzon, 10/11/2012 1:27:47 PM     (No. 8925985)

We should not forget that by sticking to the "its all the fault of the video" excuse for so long, dozens of our outposts, from embassies to burger joints, and those of are allies around the world suffered mob attacks which resulted in the deaths of several dozen people. Although some were muslims rioters, many were not. Obama and his lying minions have the blood of these people on their hands as well.


Reply 43 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 10/11/2012 1:46:01 PM     (No. 8926044)

This scene could have been taken entact from several books written by Helen mcInnes. We can hope the solution also follows the plots to the finish.
The intelligence real players have to craft a very careful step by step take down without exposing tneir hand.Helen was well versed in such manovers then wrote them as fiction starting about 1942.
General P is military not inteligence so don't expect the coup if it happens to be his instrument.


Reply 44 - Posted by: GO3, 10/11/2012 2:26:06 PM     (No. 8926135)

I hope Walsh is correct, but I'm skeptical. The IC is Beltway centric, and like State, the liberal bent runs deep. My observations are that the services intell folks mainly lean liberal. This is nothing new; it's just the way it is. So, it's always interesting to read articles like this, which predict people who largely support Obama will now miraculously turn on him. Not likely.


Reply 45 - Posted by: dman, 10/11/2012 2:54:49 PM     (No. 8926208)

I'm guessing there are more than a few unhappy folks in the IC added to those in the military. In the long run, this could work out to be good for "our" side. www.oathkeepers.org


Reply 46 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 10/11/2012 3:45:41 PM     (No. 8926372)

#8, why do you trust Petraeus? He easily went to work for BO at the CIA. Have seen nothing that would make me think he is protecting our Republic through that agency. I want to believe he is still faithful to the Constitution. I really do.

Very few patriots in the true sense in the Dem/Left party.


Reply 47 - Posted by: DebiAnn, 10/11/2012 4:33:38 PM     (No. 8926525)

You lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.


Reply 48 - Posted by: Lonestar Jack, 10/11/2012 4:38:41 PM     (No. 8926530)

This is the same intelligence department that told George Bush that Iraq had WMD's?
Two months ago I asked where was the good general David P. ? He will surface again and I would say that BHO and HC should run for cover.


Reply 49 - Posted by: TruthandJustice, 10/11/2012 4:46:04 PM     (No. 8926547)

Megan Kelly outted Petraeus as a LIAr today...he would not head Obama's CIA if not a globalist or a Communist.


Back story which ran in the UK was Steven was part of a wag the dog kidnapping that went very wrong. He wasn't to be killed...just kidnapped and Big Boy Barry was to negotiate him back before his debate.

Bad rumor? Truth? Who knows ...I do know most Americans think with Obama that is possible because theu DO NOT TRUST OBAMA ...a Muslim who wear a ring with the inscription " there is no god but Allah"


Reply 50 - Posted by: Mother of AL, 10/11/2012 4:55:08 PM     (No. 8926560)

At the risk of bringing down the whole force of the govt on my head (but I am only pointing out fact, and I am just a cog in the wheel of citizenship)---0 should do some studying about the end of Camelot, and just who had a hand it that event. Hopefully the very astute Ldotters here will read between my lines.


Reply 51 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 10/11/2012 8:48:14 PM     (No. 8926962)

All Obie had to do was come clean after the killings and say his team screwed up and is responsible for the deaths of these fine people. Two weeks later, the news cycle would have long since ended, and we would be talking about something else. But, no, he had to take the Marxist way and cover up. Why? Receiving a pass from the msm for four years now emboldened the Obie Won.



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Posted By: JoniTx- 4/11/2013 12:23:49 PM     Post Reply
The Senate voted to move forward on gun control Thursday, clearing the first of what is expected to be many 60-vote hurdles for the legislation. (Snip) Sixteen Republicans voted in favor of the motion, while two Democrats — both from states President Obama lost in the 2012 election — voted against it. The two Democrats were Sens. Mark Begich (Alaska) and Mark Pryor (Ark.), both of whom face reelection next year.The 16 Republicans who voted to proceed were

Boehner: I Don´t Need
GOP to Pass Gun Law...

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by Ben Shapiro    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/12/2013 11:51:37 AM     Post Reply
On Thursday, in the midst of ongoing national debate over prospective gun control and comprehensive immigration legislation, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said that he didn’t need the approval of a majority of his own party to move forward with legislation. Referring to the so-called Hastert Rule, named after former House Speaker Denny Hastert (R-IL), which dictated that House leadership not bring up any bill for a vote without the support of a majority of the majority party, Boehner said, “Listen: It was never a rule to begin with.” Then, realizing the gravity of admitting

Jonathan Winters, groundbreaking
comic who influenced
generations, dead at 87

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/12/2013 1:16:37 PM     Post Reply
LOS ANGELES — Jonathan Winters, the cherub-faced comedian whose breakneck improvisations and misfit characters inspired the likes of Robin Williams and Jim Carrey, has died. He was 87. The Ohio native died Thursday evening at his Montecito, Calif., home of natural causes, said Joe Petro III, a longtime family friend. Petro said Winters died of natural causes and was surrounded by family and friends. Winters was a pioneer of improvisational standup comedy, with an exceptional gift for mimicry, a grab bag of eccentric personalities and a bottomless reservoir of creative energy.

WPost reporter explains her
personal Gosnell blackout

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Patheos.com, by "Mollie"    Original Article
Posted By: LComStaff- 4/12/2013 9:42:16 AM     Post Reply
I’ve been writing about media coverage of abortion for many years. And so have many others. If you haven’t read David Shaw’s “Abortion Bias Seeps Into The News,” published in the Los Angeles Times back in 1990, you should. That report also explains why we cover the topic here at GetReligion.But the thing is that I’m getting kind of sick of pointing out egregious bias only to see things not just remain bad but get worse. Just think, in the last year, we saw the media drop any pretense of objectivity and bully the Susan G. Komen Foundation

Republicans Fear Clinton in 2016
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Time Magazine, by Zeke J Miller    Original Article
Posted By: Scottyboy- 4/12/2013 9:57:16 AM     Post Reply
HOLLYWOOD — Republican leaders plotted their party’s political comeback on Thursday with plans to court minority voters and modernize their political operations. But some wondered if one person could make it all for naught: Hillary Clinton. As attendees of the Republican National Committee’s spring meeting debated party rules and a refurbished GOP brand capable of winning back the White House, more than two dozen operatives and officials expressed worry that none of their party’s potential 2016 candidates can take her down. One early-state RNC member put it simply

Biden criticizes gun owners
who are not hunters: ´They
like the way it feels...
it´s like driving a Ferrari´

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Washington Examiner [DC], by Charlie Spiering    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/11/2013 10:41:58 AM     Post Reply
During a conversation about gun violence on MSNBC this morning, Vice President Joe Biden explained that there was a growing group of gun owners that might not understand guns as well as hunters. “There is a whole new sort of group of individuals now who – I don’t know what the numbers are – that never hunt at all,” Biden said. “But they own guns for one of two reasons, self-protection or they just like the feel of that AR-15 at the range. They like the way it feels.” Biden imitated holding a weapon and added, “You know,

Windows 8 blamed for biggest
PC shipment plunge ever

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Fox News, by Lisa Eadicicco    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/11/2013 1:17:23 PM     Post Reply
Global PC shipments fell by 13.9 percent in the first quarter of 2013, and according to analyst firm IDC , Windows 8 could very well be the reason. On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that 76.3 million PC units shipped during the most recent financial period, marking the biggest decline since the IDC began publishing quarterly numbers 19 years ago. “The reaction to Windows 8 is real,” Jay Chou, an IDC analyst, said to The Wall Street Journal. Increased demand for mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets have also played a role in this decline,

Newtown victim´s mom to
give Obama weekly address

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Associated Press, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/12/2013 3:53:50 PM     Post Reply
WASHINGTON — The White House says the mother of a Newtown shooting victim will deliver the weekly presidential radio and Internet address. President Barack Obama typically gives the talk, focusing on a topic that´s in the news or a policy the White House is pushing. This week, Obama has asked Francine Wheeler to deliver the address instead. Wheeler and her husband, David, lost their 6-year-old son Ben in the December schoolhouse shooting in Newtown, Conn. White House spokesman Jay Carney says Obama believes the voices of Newtown families have been critical to progress on gun control.

MSNBC’s Touré: Obama
too busy helping America
to practice shooting hoops

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Washington Examiner, by Charlie Spiering    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/12/2013 10:53:47 AM     Post Reply
During a discussion about the new RNCC website yesterday afternoon, MSNBC’s Touré used the opportunity to defend President Obama’s poor performance on the basketball court at the White House Easter Egg roll. “He’s not out there shooting all the time. He’s not working on his J,” Touré insisted. “He is working on his problems of the nation.” As the rest of the panel laughed at his analysis, Touré continued to defend his position. “He’s also a man of the people, out there like you know, opening the people’s house and having a good time with some American citizens,”


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