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Combatting military suicides:
limit access to private weapons

New York Times *, by James Dao

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Posted By:Photoonist, 10/7/2012 5:03:31 PM

With nearly half of all suicides in the military having been committed with privately owned firearms, the Pentagon and Congress are moving to establish policies intended to separate at-risk service members from their personal weapons. The issue is a thorny one for the Pentagon, with gun-rights advocates and many service members fiercely opposing any policies that could be construed as limiting the private ownership of firearms. (Snip) “This is not about authoritarian regulation,” Dr. Jonathan Woodson, the assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, said in an interview. “It is about the spouse understanding warning signs and, if there are

[* at MSNBC, no reg required] Like a determined suicide can't kill himself by one hundred other means? This IS about attacking the 2nd Amendment on another front. Are they talking about detecting and removing all drugs on which someone can overdose from homes of military homes? Of course not. And that this nonsense, instead of improved counseling suggestions, comes out of the Defense Dept. tells you how many turncoats we now have within our own government. Finding out what firearms someone owns is NOT explicitly a way of preventing suicide.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: SoCalGal, 10/7/2012 5:13:03 PM     (No. 8916435)

Patently absurd. That's the NYT.

Men are said to prefer firearms because they are assured of the result. Quick and over.

The likelihood that a spouse can prevent a suicide is slim to none. The depression that drives one to suicide is deep. Shell shock (now called PTSD) is a living nightmare to the afflicted.

Reply 2 - Posted by: voxpopuli, 10/7/2012 5:20:31 PM     (No. 8916446)

here's a better way..
get rid of the commie feather merchants who are running our country and de-moralizing and KILLING our military..




Reply 3 - Posted by: Rael, 10/7/2012 5:20:47 PM     (No. 8916447)

Maye if they didn't have a leader who hated them and put rules in place that gets them killed, they wouldn't be killing themselves?

Reply 4 - Posted by: Coy860, 10/7/2012 5:29:46 PM     (No. 8916454)

Start getting the VA to provide help that Vets are entitled to.
Our returning heroes are getting the shaft from the VA.
Why do you think we have the "Wounded Warriors" organization? We pay taxes for services that are our first obligation but that money is going to the VA to sit on their lazy asses or partee.
Complete overhaul necessary.

Reply 5 - Posted by: TunnelRat, 10/7/2012 5:32:23 PM     (No. 8916458)

Aggressively promoting gun safety and passing out trigger locks have nothing to do with suicides. It's not the gun safety that's at issue; it's the mental health of 'at risk' troops.

Reply 6 - Posted by: GOPJihad, 10/7/2012 5:36:02 PM     (No. 8916465)

Nidal Malik Hasan approves.

Reply 7 - Posted by: Robinsolana, 10/7/2012 5:41:39 PM     (No. 8916478)

Obama has stressed, dissed, slashed and demoralized the military and the NYT comes up with this.
Obama hides his failures behind the SEALs and the rest of the military. Talk about a user.
Obama's lies about Benghazi continue after weeks of relentless stonewalling and coverup.

If I were in the military I would be asking why I was putting my life in danger under the leadership of 'lead from behind' Obama.




Reply 8 - Posted by: Keekng, 10/7/2012 5:44:52 PM     (No. 8916488)

True to form thr kids at NYT's need to learn how to spell, it is combating, with one T, not "combatting".

Reply 9 - Posted by: Theeo, 10/7/2012 5:45:46 PM     (No. 8916490)

Let the suicidal have his way; those left behind, simply pray and take no blame.

Reply 10 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 10/7/2012 5:53:37 PM     (No. 8916509)

Sad to say, but:

If you are FREE, you are free to kill yourself.

This is liberal think, it is the gun's fault.(and this is another heart-tugging gun grab)

Anyone intent on killing himself will find a way.

Reply 11 - Posted by: veritas, 10/7/2012 5:54:58 PM     (No. 8916513)

Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?

Reply 12 - Posted by: montanabound, 10/7/2012 5:56:29 PM     (No. 8916515)

What are the reasons for all of these suicides? I know morale is low, deployments are way too long, etc., but I have many family members who served in the past, and I don't remember suicides among servicemen. My uncle had severe shell shock from the Battle of the Bulge, for example, but he was never suicidal. What is going on?




Reply 13 - Posted by: WimeTarmerFable, 10/7/2012 6:01:23 PM     (No. 8916519)

Another Socialist reason to disarm those who would keep Liberty as the basic principle of America.

Reply 14 - Posted by: killerbee, 10/7/2012 6:17:24 PM     (No. 8916533)

Wow. If that's not the dumbest thing ever.

When I was in high school there was a rash of suicides. At least one a year. Two guys killed themselves in cars in garages (ban garages!), two hung themselves (ban rope or anything that can be used as a rope!), one used a plastic bag to kill himself (well, I guess this is where the plastic bag ban comes in) and only one used a gun to kill himself.

How about we limit stupid rules of engagement so our guys know that their government isn't trying to kill them in the first place? How about not forcing them to look the other way while Muslims torture men, women, children and dogs?

Reply 15 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 10/7/2012 6:22:44 PM     (No. 8916542)

The greatest tragedy of war is that we train our sweet children to become killers.

Killers tend to solve problems by killing.

Liberals get it wrong on every issue, every time, in great detail.

Reply 16 - Posted by: kanphil, 10/7/2012 6:39:16 PM     (No. 8916558)

Take the money given to lazy no-goods for cell phones, food stamps and the like and give it to agencies who can be trusted to spend it on addressing the mental health of our returning heroes.

Reply 17 - Posted by: earlybird, 10/7/2012 6:42:34 PM     (No. 8916562)

This can't be helping. They need more than Mooch's smothering hugs:

Backlog of Veterans' Disability Claims Increases 179% Under Obama

And whose photo accompanies the article? Good old VA Secretary Eric (Feckless) Shinseki.




Reply 18 - Posted by: earlybird, 10/7/2012 6:45:05 PM     (No. 8916566)

Re the article linked in #17,

When Obama took office, there were approximately 390,000 outstanding claims, of which only 22 percent had been pending for more than 180 days.

That number had been falling during the second George W. Bush administration, despite the military being heavily engaged in two wars. At the beginning of Bush’s second term, the VA had about 480,000 outstanding claims, with only 21 percent backlogged for more than 180 days.

That number fell by almost 100,000 claims by the time Obama took office.

The claims are for dependents as well as for the service members themselves.

Reply 19 - Posted by: chance_232, 10/7/2012 7:13:15 PM     (No. 8916595)

As a first step......

The Reserves should only be called up in the event of a national emergency.

If we need to boost our forces, take reserve VOLUNTEERS first.

Our reserve forces face financial ruin when they get called to active duty. Their income gets slashed, but the bills remain.

Increase active duty pay and benefits substantially! Active duty personnel should NEVER have to go on food stamps and should never have to worry about their families at home.

Bring religion back to the troops.

None of the above will fix the problem, but may help to alleviate some of the reasons. Taking away weapons certainly wont "FIX" anything.

Reply 20 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 10/7/2012 7:51:06 PM     (No. 8916662)

Journalistic malpractive should be combatted: limit access to printing presses by leftists.

Reply 21 - Posted by: Bonbon, 10/7/2012 7:57:21 PM     (No. 8916676)

I have a theory and it's only that. When children are reared with no purpose to their lives apparent to them it's little wonder. When I was young we played outside all day everyday unless in school or inclement weather (Barbados, California heh!) When a little older we had chores that had to be done the... way my parents wanted them done. When I did wrong I was punished. I had two parents who worked hard, loved each other and us and were committed to the bitter end. No psychology there. Commitment, love, mercy and understanding. I had every complaint other kids had but so what!?!. That was life! I'm married to the same man 47 years. Neither of us got what we deserved (We both could have been better and/or worse!) One has MS the other recovered from brain tumor surgery. God loves us, We love God. He carries our burdens and we let Him. Gets you through a lot of things. Suicide prevention should start early. So should understanding the purpose of ones life.

Reply 22 - Posted by: KimoSaavy, 10/7/2012 9:14:40 PM     (No. 8916813)

Take away the guns, but don't forget the knives and other sharp objects. That should lower suicide rates. Maybe have them wear handcuffs so they can't reach for anything that can be weaponized. How about putting all returning service men in padded rooms because they are a potential danger.



Reply 23 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 10/7/2012 11:05:37 PM     (No. 8917053)

I understand the issue, but it's wrong to tell a person how or not to kill themselves.

The gov should butt out of our personal lives and leave the Constitution alone.

Reply 24 - Posted by: god of irony, 10/7/2012 11:20:15 PM     (No. 8917077)

It is not the guns, it is the complete lack of faith in our civilian and military leadership that has us being killed for a political agenda that has nothing to with protecting America.

Reply 25 - Posted by: rmsimms, 10/7/2012 11:36:33 PM     (No. 8917104)

It's all about permanently disbarring veterans of the Armed Forces...whom the DHS has deemed to be potential domestic terrorists...from owning firearms. What you tell military doctors goes in your medical records, which under Obamacare are entered into a national database, which State and Federal Governments can and do access for FTIP background checks. Go to the shrink, get branded as mentally ill and lose your 2nd amendment rights forever. Oh, and the military will probably boot you with a Admin discharge too.

Reply 26 - Posted by: Trigger2, 10/8/2012 8:11:38 AM     (No. 8917444)

The original poster is absolutely correct. This is nothing more than an incremental approach to limiting gun rights. That's how demonrats work - take a bite, then another bite, and before you know it, your rights are completely gone.

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