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The myth of '08, demolished
Washington Post, by Charles Krauthammer

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Posted By:StormCnter, 11/6/2009 4:23:36 AM

Sure, Election Day 2009 will scare moderate Democrats and make passage of Obamacare more difficult. Sure, it makes it easier for resurgent Republicans to raise money and recruit candidates for 2010. But the most important effect of Tuesday's elections is historical. It demolishes the great realignment myth of 2008. In the aftermath of last year's Obama sweep, we heard endlessly about its fundamental, revolutionary, transformational nature.


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Reply 1 - Posted by: MindMadeUp, 11/6/2009 4:46:43 AM     (No. 6004115)

The left creates caricatures of reality and treats them as the truth. Bush was a big-eared monkey in their minds, America is an evil empire, and Obama's election was a massive, popular mandate to destroy free-market capitalism and recreate the country as a socialist paradise. All lies.


Reply 2 - Posted by: Little Peep, 11/6/2009 4:55:13 AM     (No. 6004124)

Krauthammer is one guy that I always listen to for the truth.


Reply 3 - Posted by: janjan, 11/6/2009 6:10:51 AM     (No. 6004175)

I enjoy Krauthammer, but he, along with Bill Kristol and a few other eminent conservatives, assured us all right after the election that Obama would be forced to 'govern from the middle' (whatever that means). It appears that their vision has been corrected.


 
 


Reply 4 - Posted by: lynn 11, 11/6/2009 6:18:39 AM     (No. 6004185)

I fear that the so-called "Blue Dogs" will decide to vote with their party because they know they're going to lose anyway in 2010. I sure want to be wrong about this assumption, so I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

I think Pelosi is so satiated with her own power she won't entertain any notions of this monstrosity not passing. She'll do whatever it takes to win, as we've been seeing for the past months. She's radical, committed, and delusional. A deadly combination.


Reply 5 - Posted by: cake crumb, 11/6/2009 6:24:14 AM     (No. 6004191)

Good piece wich I mostly agree with.

However, the shut out in NJ shows voter anger and frustration is anything but "the norm". It's WAY too strong for that.


Reply 6 - Posted by: saleboter, 11/6/2009 6:26:01 AM     (No. 6004193)

this is Obami's Bill Clinton moment. He can move to the center as the politically astute Clinton did or stay the course to irrelevancy. My prediction is he will stay the course since he is in the same left wing bubble that many in the WH and congress live.


Reply 7 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/6/2009 6:31:16 AM     (No. 6004202)

Guess that was a dinner invitation wasted on the good doctor.


Reply 8 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 11/6/2009 6:49:02 AM     (No. 6004237)

It was a return to the norm. Dr. K, from your lips!


 

 
 


 
Reply 9 - Posted by: Maybeth, 11/6/2009 6:59:07 AM     (No. 6004253)

As Blue Dog Democrats and others continue bowing down to *the won* and his crop of thugs, they deride and spit upon the *One* who gave them life. Continuing to ALLOW the systematic destruction of America, kicking Christians aside and ignoring the laws of the Constitution they *vowed* to protect, these people are anything but leaders. They promote and applaud the acquisition of money and power for only a few, while POMPOUSLY shoving tax-paying American citizens aside.

I believe that their boiling hatred and unprecedented seizure of our freedom will not go unpunished. The Higher Power is not amused.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Gerty, 11/6/2009 7:01:15 AM     (No. 6004261)

Excellent article. I can almost forgive the good Dr. K for the stand he took against Mrs. Palin.


Reply 11 - Posted by: La Dotta, 11/6/2009 7:11:28 AM     (No. 6004284)

FTA: "The '08 election was a historical anomaly. A uniquely charismatic candidate was running at a time of deep war weariness, with an intensely unpopular Republican president, against a politically incompetent opponent, amid the greatest financial collapse since the Great Depression.

Dr. K forgot to mention the electorate behaved as if the '08 election was a very special "American Idol" episode. I hope we've learned a lesson about charismatic no-talents on the campaign trail and in the Oval Office.


Reply 12 - Posted by: vanman, 11/6/2009 7:16:29 AM     (No. 6004301)

And I hope we've found out what arogant liars they are!


Reply 13 - Posted by: garami, 11/6/2009 7:24:14 AM     (No. 6004319)

6. He'll stay the course. And Bill Clinton's moment AFTER he lost the House and Senate. Barry has lost neither yet and is unlikely to lose the Senate, but may well lose the House. If he does not lose both chambers, GOP cannot really stop him, and I don't think O gives a rat's behind about being re-elected.


Reply 14 - Posted by: Technobot, 11/6/2009 7:26:31 AM     (No. 6004325)

I don't think that the Obama radical could give a rats butt about a mandate in 2008. It is a useful talking point for them, but that is all. It has not changed they way they are governing. They were going to push this crap on the US people because they have the power to do so, mandate or not. Just look at Pelosi: she knows the people do not want her terrible healthcare power-grab, but she does not care.


Reply 15 - Posted by: kahunavol, 11/6/2009 7:26:38 AM     (No. 6004326)

Ann Coulter nailed the 2008 anomaly better - "Except the problem is that voting for Obama a year ago was a fashion statement, much like it was once a fad to buy Beanie Babies, pet rocks and Cabbage Patch Kids."


 



 
Reply 16 - Posted by: lostinmassachusetts, 11/6/2009 7:38:21 AM     (No. 6004351)

I agree with #14. The one vote margin (even if obtained illegally) is all these people needed to try to seize total power. This is the way of all people of a totalitarian bent. It is also why fair and honest elections are so important in a republic and why it is suicidal to decide to sit out an election or vote for spite for the Democrat because you're displeased with the Republican choice. I am afraid that it will be more difficult than people think to dislodge these vermin now that they have control of the government.


Reply 17 - Posted by: RedLegLeader68, 11/6/2009 7:41:12 AM     (No. 6004361)

What #3 and #14 said.

Be careful with the good Dr. and remember where he lives.

He does have to get along with "them," ya know.


Reply 18 - Posted by: Judith, 11/6/2009 7:59:41 AM     (No. 6004420)

Unfortunately, the people of the USA, in the 2008 election, put in place a RULING body of people who will pay no regard to the people's desires, they will just rule us and gather power and wealth to themselves. And they seem pretty positive that we can't unseat them!


Reply 19 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 11/6/2009 8:04:08 AM     (No. 6004438)

A stoppped watch is right once in awhile too.


Reply 20 - Posted by: nobamaplease, 11/6/2009 8:05:46 AM     (No. 6004444)

Pelosi will get her bill passed because the New Yorkers cannot stand conservatives, they prefer GOP RINOS and/or Democrats; that is why they gave Pelosi the one vote margin she needs.


Reply 21 - Posted by: saucy, 11/6/2009 8:23:17 AM     (No. 6004497)

The Obambi-bumpo machine is not worried.
They have ACORN (4.2 BILLION!), SEIU, AFLCIO, Teachers Union, NEA and the NEA, MoveOn, Organizing for America, the Lamestream media, Universities, dead people, felones, illegal aliens and falsified voters to vote for The One and his agenda.
Hey, don't worry, be happy, Nancy.


Reply 22 - Posted by: DSchneider, 11/6/2009 8:34:55 AM     (No. 6004524)

#3, I think that Dr. K meant that if Obema were to be remembered as a successful President, and if he intended to have his legislation passed, he would have to move from his far-left position to the center. I don't recall anywhere that Dr. K said that Obama *would* make this move. The difference is clear and distinctive.

So where does Obama go from here? If he listnes to Krauthammer, he'd be going against his deepest political beliefs. If he decides that he is too prideful to learn, it will be as #14 wrote.


Reply 23 - Posted by: gone2pot, 11/6/2009 9:05:13 AM     (No. 6004610)

In the aftermath of last year's Obama sweep, we heard endlessly about its fundamental, revolutionary, transformational nature.

Yeah, that's really weird Dr K. When mountains of evidence was available to prove Obama was a Marxist radical whose desire it was to employ Cloward-Piven strategies as well as Rules for Radicals on our nation like so many of us bitter Bible clutching, gun clinging road kill eaters screamed about beginning in Fall, '07 (you know, those of us without huge staffs to actually DO the research and, what's that called? Oh yeah JOURNALISM), you and your WS gang of nuanced Harvard geniuses were picking out which chalice from which to sip wine. And now, when it's too late and useless information and Howard Kurtz-like firm-grasps-of-the-obvious opinion, we're supposed to be impressed, right? Personally, I wish you'd go back into medicine to do people some real good. You failed before November, '08 when you were desperately needed. You've now become the Weekly Standard's, et al's very own Howie.


Reply 24 - Posted by: RepublicanGopher, 11/6/2009 9:25:03 AM     (No. 6004681)

"Moderate" voters (the ones that swing both ways) were just listening to Obama's words in 2008--not examining the trajectory of his life. That was the disconnect--believing that Obama's promises meant something. Obama's leftist base knew he didn't mean one "moderate" thing he said. They knew he was still a radical in "good standing," but moderate independent voters got snookered...and now lots of those moderate independents finally realize it.


Reply 25 - Posted by: planta gens, 11/6/2009 9:25:09 AM     (No. 6004685)

The Magnificent Generation, who learned to "feel good" and then "do it", are now our Overlords, and they are demanding that docility which they then resolutely withheld. These 1960s hairy Prophets, who told us to "do your own thing" are now the very sinews of the Governing Bureaucracy, and Bureaucrats must classify and insert their human charges into the proper taxonomic slots. Luckily for them, a Major Prophet, to be found, during the latter 19th Century, lurking among the literary stacks in the British Museum, provided them with a rationale for their decisions, and a Russian School-Master's son an Operational Method. All suitably simplified, of course.

So now ,these United States are to be ruled by the vulgarized, inept attempts of the outliers of 19th Century Thought to apply the Methods of the Physical Sciences to Human Action and Interaction. The profound insights of Jefferson and Madison are to be jettisoned, and the serene sense of Responsibility exhibited by General George Washington is to be disowned. The New Class is in charge, and the Revolutionary Spirit must be slaked with rivers of blood. So they demand! It's NON-NEGOTIABLE!


Reply 26 - Posted by: Red Jeep, 11/6/2009 9:40:29 AM     (No. 6004771)

Reply 23 nails the issue with Krauthammer. I agree he should go back to medical practice.


Reply 27 - Posted by: Barbarian Heretic, 11/6/2009 9:43:03 AM     (No. 6004779)

Okay- I know Dr. K made a few enemies when he was critical of Gov Palin... I was mad, too. And he attended the infamous "getting to know you" din-din with some other smarty-pants pundits...a sin my BFF G2P will never forgive (love ya- Potter)

But on balance- Dr K's a brilliant, incisive and fascinating writer- and a damn good analyst.

Glad he's on our side, and when he's right- his column is like dropping a MOAB on Leftie ideology...


Reply 28 - Posted by: ebuilder, 11/6/2009 9:45:10 AM     (No. 6004787)

Peggy Noonan couldn't have said it better, Charles. She would have taken a little longer to say it, but she would have been up to this conclusion. Now Charles, we have a devious and dangerous man in the White House. He is committing everything from destroying us through weakness and incompetence to treason. Define treason, and ponder how to get rid of him and other Marxists -- and stop playing around.


Reply 29 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 11/6/2009 9:56:39 AM     (No. 6004836)

Gotta disagre with #21. I believe Odumbdumb, Piglousy, and crew are scared. Very scared. Scared to death. Corzine's ousting was the writing on the wall. But they're not pragmatists like Clinton was in '94. They are extreme leftists. And rather than moderate their behaivior and move to the right like Clinton did to save his sorry butt, they are gonna try to cram as much down our throats as they can over the next twelve months, to try and have as much of their radical agenda in place when they get unseated by the angry majority. Look for a scorched earth campaign to be launched from Capitol Hill in the coming weeks.


Reply 30 - Posted by: mass minority, 11/6/2009 9:58:52 AM     (No. 6004849)

Posters, the house need 50% to pass legislation, that is 218 votes. The dems currently hold 258 seats, the loss of the NY-23 seat is largely meaningless.

The Blue dogs remain the wild card. Pelosi has publicly stated that she is more than willing to sacrifice all of their seats to satisfy her power grab, it remains to be seen if the Blue Dogs share her altruistic spirit.

Krauthammer is my favorite pundit, I think he is right more often than he is wrong but like any pol watcher, I do'nt toe his line all the time. He is just much better than most.


Reply 31 - Posted by: GOP_U_BET, 11/6/2009 10:08:32 AM     (No. 6004884)

Dr. K is a brilliant man and I enjoy reading him even though I am aware of the slant his veiwpoint takes as a result of his beltway biases. As to BOBO, PNazi, and dingy harry, they can do untold damage even though their coalition is tenuous and of a limited timespan.


Reply 32 - Posted by: trapper, 11/6/2009 10:21:11 AM     (No. 6004925)

Dr. K nails it. However, he can take the myth of '08 back even earlier. He cites a deeply unpopular George W Bush but doesn't elaborate on the cause of that unpopularity and the universal misinterpretation of it.

Bush's unpopularity did not result from the invasion of Iraq, or the failure to find WMD's or the antiwar movement. W's popularity began to decline when he didn't surge Iraq earlier. And domestically he either hunkered down or gave up entirely by failing to swing back at the liars in congress. He refused to fight. He also refused to defend our southern border against illegals, then joined the dems and RINO's to push for amnesty. Then he "abandons free market principles" during the credit crunch. Much of the middle class wandered away shaking our heads in disgust. He let us down, and many of us began to wonder if we were being played for suckers all along. That's when the conservative middle class anger started.


Reply 33 - Posted by: lonestarm3, 11/6/2009 10:24:49 AM     (No. 6004940)

Krauthammer is always worth reading or listening to when on TV. He is not, however a conservative in any meaningful sense. Underlying all his analysis is the need for Republicans to be crypto-socialists - to talk conservative and if elected govern as a "liberal conservative" or "moderate."

Talk about cogitative dissonance! That's like saying, "My sister is, on average, a pure virgin - she only works in the brothel on Monday, Wednesday and Friday."

The demographics of 2008 tell a lot. No voter under 29 was alive during the Carter years. None under 40 or so was old enough during that period of democratic job creation and economy enhancement, to appreciate what happened.

Clinton was neutered, liberally speaking, in 1994. In his entire presidency he didn't do as much damage to our prospects for a future than Obama in his first year.


Reply 34 - Posted by: f quintus, 11/6/2009 10:42:35 AM     (No. 6004999)

Yes, #15, Ann Coulter is generally sharper than Dr Strangelove and here is no exception.

As for his ludicrous assertion that "The misreading of [the 2008] election...is the fundamental cause of the
Democratic debacle of 2009" -- well, give me strength.

The big misreading is that Barry is simply not up to the job -- and Strangelove's too haughty and insecure to retract any of his half-baked views.

If you think that's brilliant, you live in a world where the bar is set real low.


Reply 35 - Posted by: Arby, 11/6/2009 10:49:49 AM     (No. 6005021)

The dims forget that the young grow up. The 'youth vote' disappears. In this case it disappeared quickly. They either stayed away out of frustration or showed up and reached for the "R" lever.

'08 was an anomaly. Thank God.


Reply 36 - Posted by: fiscon, 11/6/2009 10:56:17 AM     (No. 6005048)

I remain somewhat distrustful of Dr. K after his refusal to see the truth during the elections. He could have done so much better, and his analysis now feels a bit late to me. At the same time, he is largely right here, and I give him credit for that.

What strikes me, though, is the same point #32 made. That Bush wasn't popular with the left is a given. He wasn't all that popular with many on the right because for all he was a good, decent man, he was not a fiscal conservative and did nothing to defend fiscally conservative beliefs. The combination of his presidency and the Republican-led Congress during his tenure convinced me that the GOP really is no different than the Dems.

#18 said we put a ruling body in place in 2008. No, we did that long before, when we elected people--Dems and GOP--who were not committed to small government. We are enslaved to the government now, but that is not just the fault of the Democrats.

Every Republican who is mad now but wasn't angry during Bush's time is complicit in the financial mess we're in right now. That's harsh but it's the truth.


Reply 37 - Posted by: Aria, 11/6/2009 11:04:42 AM     (No. 6005071)

Yes, BO is not up to the job and to make up for it he's a raving Marxist with more power than he should have ever been given. He fooled lots of voters and he knew it. So we end up with a guy who believes HIS agenda needs to be rammed through while he still has the power to make it happen.

I'll agree with Dick Morris, BO does not care what we think. I also think his ego probably has an agenda beyond simply being POTUS.


Reply 38 - Posted by: MamaLo, 11/6/2009 11:09:38 AM     (No. 6005090)

A thread of hope (no pun intended) I cling to came from a guest I saw on GB's program last week. His name was Laffer, and he was, I believe, one of Ronaldus Magnus' finance guys. In a nutshell, he told Glenn that any of this evil & vile legislation that passes can be undone in a weekend. We just need the right people with stiff backbones. I'm praying for mercy for my children & grandchildren. Too many don't realize how close we are to losing our way of life; it looks like many are now waking up and acting!


Reply 39 - Posted by: Aria, 11/6/2009 11:11:56 AM     (No. 6005099)

BTW, I was at a bistro last night at a table with some women who were complaining loudly about the BO agenda - especially health care. One woman, regretting her vote, complained about how bad Bush was.

Geez, how can otherwise intelligent people be so dumb? Bush wasn't running.....but a Marxist was.


Reply 40 - Posted by: Eileen Tudor-Wright, 11/6/2009 11:45:48 AM     (No. 6005195)

0bama was elected in much the same way that a mentally challenged boy gets elected to be Prom King. A lot of voters needed to prove to themselves or others that they were "nice" and not prejudiced or bigoted.

This is fine with a high school prom king. It's nice to give a kid a thrill. Everyone is happy. It's a win for everyone. No one is hurt.

Electing a President of the US is NOT the same. The kid got a thrill. Even those who were happy then are becoming increasingly unhappy now. It's a loss for everyone except our enemies. Nearly everyone is hurt, especially the beleaguered middle class.


Reply 41 - Posted by: buckeye1, 11/6/2009 11:55:04 AM     (No. 6005222)

It is said that politics is a swinging pendulum. If that is so, the returning swing will be a doozy!

I agree that last year was a vote against the eight years of Bush that was fomented by the Rats desire for power. Now, we are seeing the results of a blinded by rage voting public, who invested more hope in this shell of a man that should have been given, and they have one more year to wait to cut his term in half.


Reply 42 - Posted by: gandolphxx, 11/6/2009 12:09:42 PM     (No. 6005267)

FTA: November '08 was one shot, one time, never to be replicated. Nor was November '09 a realignment. It was a return to the norm -- and definitive confirmation that 2008 was one of the great flukes in American political history.

Let us hope it truly is an event NEVER to be replicated.


Reply 43 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 11/6/2009 12:44:16 PM     (No. 6005356)

I think that once one of the prominant libs raised the possibility of race riots if BO wasn't elected played into a lot of white guilt and fear. So people reacted by electing the thinskinned crybaby-in-chief. Since then they have played the race card so much that most people just shrug it off. I know I do.


Reply 44 - Posted by: cheeflo, 11/6/2009 1:06:42 PM     (No. 6005415)

If they think they're going to lose anyway, #4, why wouldn't they vote on principle? It's what got them elected, and probably their best shot at re-election. And clearly Pelosi doesn't care if they lose, so what's their incentive to accommodate her powerlust?

Good point, #30 -- same for the Senate. The Democrats already have decisive majorities in both houses -- how come it's not a cakewalk?


Reply 45 - Posted by: tomusa, 11/6/2009 2:18:35 PM     (No. 6005645)

The assessment of #32 and #36 about Bush is on target. Hopefully w/the emergence of conservative ire and vigor; the GOP will never again be able to 'sell' moderate incompetents like Bush, McCain, Dole etc. to the rank and file. Otherwise watch the conservatives walk.


Reply 46 - Posted by: Marjo2020, 11/6/2009 3:02:18 PM     (No. 6005802)

How can anyone expect a mandate from a purchased election?


Reply 47 - Posted by: AllowMeToRetort, 11/6/2009 4:44:24 PM     (No. 6006089)

ahhhhh, The Elegance. The savoir-faire, as it were.


Reply 48 - Posted by: larryp, 11/6/2009 4:59:38 PM     (No. 6006134)

So here is the Plan.
It will happen so fast. Like everything else these white house folks do
1.Obama does not wear well.
2.He has a short attention-span (Can't imagine why).
3.Ban-Ki-Moon will be moved out of Sec Gen of U.N.job
4.Obama asked, accepts.
5.Biden leaves to 'spend time with family"
6.Nancy Pelosi becomes PResident.
Fast,Fast,Fast
Look at all the articles about Pelosi,the coverage.


Reply 49 - Posted by: Phil_hk, 11/6/2009 6:45:26 PM     (No. 6006421)

I think the far-left like pig-of-a-lousey and Jelly-Jar know that if they push their agenda through it will be very difficult or impossible to repeal.

That is why they don't care. In a sense it makes them principled. They just adhere to evil principles


Reply 50 - Posted by: macoozie, 11/6/2009 7:31:40 PM     (No. 6006554)

The thing that gets me the most is, How on earth did America get to the point where "our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor" can be controlled by Double DD's Nancy and Bawney the Gobbler?

About 650K per congressional district on average means that 1.2M of the most radical, left fringe freakazoids are running America.

Just doesn't make any sense to me.



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