And if the Socialist Health Care Reform becomes law, how long do you think we'll have to wait for any prescription drugs?

Here, just take this pain pill and die already...

This is like anything goofy that happens around us - crackpot fringe groups get their way. Let us count the ways: wasteful bottle deposit laws and recycling; banning Zycam nasal swabs; banning cold remedies with pseudoephedrine; nuclear power development; automobile CAFE standards; CO2 emissions and absolutely idiotic green nonsense; banning incandescent lightbulbs; now add your own - the list goes on and on.
These groups comprised of cedar oil infused, tattooed and body pierced rejects get their way all of the time and I for one am sick, sick, sick of it. It's time for these fringe, cause du jour stink bombs to go away and for our stupid politicians to stop listening to them or better still send them packing.

Another Obama bungle you won't hear about in the msm.Deaths are piling up in the meantime.

Scare tactics journalism without much regard for the facts. Thimerosol contains mercury. Even while it has been removed from the DPT vaccine, it is still used in close to 100% of the flu vaccine - including the H1N1 vaccine. So there is no lack of multi-vial doses, as the article portends, because of avoiding thimerosol. Read the vaccine insert; thimerosol is present. And yes, there are published studies that show negative effects of thimerosol in animal populations - which is why the government removed thimerosol from many of the infant shots. The folks that question putting large amounts of mercury in small infants aren't crackpots; they have read the research articles on both sides of the question. Have you?

Oh, do you believe this ridiculous claptrap? All those complaining people are to blame? The story a few weeks ago was that other nations (who were producing most of the vaccines) were providing it to their own countrymen first. Then the story was that people didn't want to take two shots, plus the seasonal flu shot. Gee, is that unreasonable? So, now the propagandists have twisted it so that it's all those anti-vaccine whackos out there (who have no real power to stop anyone from getting the vaccine and have been vilified for years). Kinda like the tea party whackos and anyone-who-disagrees-with-Obama whackos. Come on, get real. This is propaganda from a government that didn't plan well. Again.

Yes, #4. I am well acquainted with the arguments and concerns with thimerosol.
Have to agree that, although not quite as far out as the Warmers and ant-fluoride nuts, the opponents of the H1N1 multi-dose are overhyping the issue and not at all concerned with the research data.
Same people, no doubt, still oppose DDT.

Wow. What an irresponsible article. Completely glosses over the fact that the way DPT used to be made DID cause brain damage in a small percentage of children. The manufacturers consequently changed the way they make it as a result of the outcry. How dare those parents not keep their mouths shut.... And how dare today's parents of autistic children ask why kids are coming up with this condition in record numbers. It may not be the vaccines, but don't blame the swine flu crisis on them wanting answers.

If the Socialist Health Care Reform becomes law, I predict that it will be about 5-minutes until we can't get an over-the-counter bottle of aspirin, nor a Quarter Pounder with cheese.

Forget any kind of a flu vaccine.

Following the article: ''Robert Goldberg is vice president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest." Any group with ''Public Interest'' in the title is likely to be a leftist front group.

Not to mention the fact that single-dose syringes greatly increase the cost of manufacture, and that cost will be born by taxpayers.
I recall all the hue-and-cry during the equine flu and the avian flu. The latter was a daily screed against Dubya for being unprepared; unprepared at all, much less for the ''horrible pandemic'' that was getting ready to decimate the world. Never happened. Neither will this non-pandemic.
Little boy crying wolf. Papmered nobodies screaming against the sky saying ''pay attention to me!!!!,'' while millions are dying every day from starvation, and thousands are dying every hour from abortion.

Yeah sure nuts! That kind of thinking going to keep you and the party you support in minority forever! IMO if you think that ingesting a poison(chemical) and vaccinating yourself doesn't create a havoc in your body,you're the one nut should apply to. How so? Would eat soap? Or fluoride? Or mercury? No? By putting them in your skin body absorbs them. That's a basic common sense. Most of this garbage that they put in our food and our soil are byproducts of aluminum and other refining industries. They're poisons and since it was to expensive to dump them as a such,they came up with a brilliant idea to sell them to general population(since they're sheep anyway). This is not what bothers me. What is,is the fact that if you really believe in individual freedoms,why force them to me? Once you get your shot,you're safe,right? What do you care what I do or don't do?

Thanks #6. My daughter is in the early stages of pregnancy and the stress involved in making the decision to vaccinate or not is a health risk in and of itself. Common sense tells her to listen to her doctor and vaccinate but the persistent anti-vaccine hype has her reluctant. In any event, it may be a moot point considering the lack of available vaccine.

Mmmm, mercury, sweetest of the transition metals.

and you can't get it if you are over 65.

This is one of those cases where you can't lump everyone who raises a concern into the category of nut cases. There are legitimate concerns surrounding the swine flu vaccine, and I, for one, have been glad I have not been "forced" to take it. That's what I fear with the increasing government intervention in health care is that they will further remove our freedoms to choose anything for ourselves and will force us to take certain treatments, while refusing to allow us to have other treatments.

The swine flu (and regular flu) for that matter has been over hyped. The information and numbers presented by the news media are misleading. I encourage everyone to dig deeper to learn the truth. If you don't trust the MSM to give you truth on politics, why on earth would you trust them to give you accurate health information??

The case for mercury, and by extension, thimerosal, being dangerous in picomole concentrations is, in my (PhD in Biomedical Science) opinion greatly overhyped and merely one more handle employed by the EPA, not to mention tort lawyers, to extend their control over our lives and wallets. Thimerosal is nothing more than the active ingredient in the Mercurochrome that our mothers used to put on our cuts and abrasions when we were kids.

Thalidomide. All the rage at one time, remember? That took away another slice of innocence and trust.

Watching my mother and father be medicated quite literally to death through conflicting meds eroded more faith.

Another is mercury that was used as an adjuvant in vaccines, now it's squalene. The ingredients list is frightening. Like this ... when I discovered the new paradigm in feedlot produced cattle was to harvest the last possible value of dead cattle by turning the carcass into proteins to be added back into feed, that killed any remaining faith and innocence.

My question to you is Do You Really Know What's Being Injected Into You?

Answer - no you don't. You take it on faith.

The concerns about the vaccine go well beyond the use of mercury.

Try to keep some perspective, people. If evil corporations and government are trying to poison us, why are we living longer than ever. It is the nature of humankind to get sick and die (as well as other animals.) We have good medical care, the safest, most abundant food supply the world has ever known. And still people are worrying about nebulus conspiracies to do away with us.
You are not required to take the flu vaccine or any other. Make up your own mind, but make it up on the facts, not some vague fear. The same people who a month ago were railing against the government because they were 'forcing' people to get the vaccine are now railing against the government because they can't get the vaccine. Geez, people, get a grip.

The fact that we are living so long is why they are aggressively promoting ways to kill us. Health Rationing and soon to be forced vaccine will be a big part of the picture.

I have no problem with people researching medicines and vaccinations and making informed decisions regarding whether or not they and their families are to be medicated or vaccinated with particular drugs or compounds. Where I have a problem is when these same people refuse to allow me the right to make that same informed decision for me and my family, as if they are so much more intelligent than the rest of us, and no one could possibly be smarter than they are and reach a different conclusion.

If congress can pass legislation that requires you to purchase health insurance, they can pass legislation that requires you to get the N1N1 flu shot and show proof of receiving it with your tax return as the only way to avoid monstrous penalties.

Think I'm nuts? Cap and trade, stimulus bill, GM takeover, bank takeovers, health care takeover, self-declared marxists in the white house, presidential advisors who revere Mao and advocate involuntary birth control in water supplies, curtailing medical advancement, eliminating meat eating, and full civil rights for animals.

People aren't getting the shot because they have proof that they have been lied to from the start and simply no longer trust anything these people tell them. It's the basic human instinct for self-preservation, and it has kicked in big time.

Apparently, the vaccine is not safe enough for the Obama Family or anyone in the House and Senate. When all of the above mentioned subjects themselves to the exalted miracle vaccine....Then my family and I will also. As it stands now....never had a flu shot and never will.

From a public heath standpoint, I believe that a lot of the “hype” related to H1N1 is due, in part, to a desire to have a “practice run” for a potential avian flu epidemic. Yes, H1N1 is a mild disease (usually, though the daughter of a student of mine was hospitalized for 10 days due to complications). So, review the evidence and decide. Avian flu, if it ever mutated into a readily communicable disease, is another matter. This virus is capable of triggering an autoinflammatory cytokine cascade which leads to severe lung congestion (ARDS) and respiratory failure. Mortality exceeds 80% and healthy adults with normal immune systems are the most severely affected.

Now, I’m not trying to “scare monger”, I frankly believe the likelihood of such a mutation ever occuring is quite low. But, looking at it from a “what if” point of view, I can understand why health officials want to “test” the response system – and H1N1 immunization is one such test.

One of the other major reasons in favor of single dose vials, is so that the many amatuers giving out flu shots, the school nurses, the pharmacy, and so on have one less possibility of contaminating your shot by improper proceedure, and giving you something to really worry about like hepatitis C or D or AIDS, and so on.

There are people who are damaged by vaccines. When I had my kids vaccinated, I had to sign a release which read that I received the information about potential complications that could occur....though rare.

Further, if so few people are damaged by vaccines, then why is there a seperate court to hear vaccine damage cases? Like the Bankruptcy court or the Water court? Seems to me if the numbers were so miniscule, then our government wouldn't bother to set up such a judicial exception. Or maybe they want to keep those cases contained and under seal so the information isn't as easily obtained. Tin foil hat time? I personally don't think so.

Of course we can still buy mercurochrome. Where in the world did the idea come from that we can't get it? It's still a staple in my medicine cabinet, as is Camphophenique.

FWIW, I work at a hospital. We had a Q/A session with a well-regarded doc here, and I brought up the mercury issue. He said it was less than feeding your kids a tuna sandwich. I never get flu shots myself, but I do trust this doctor.

The deceptively named, grassroots sounding "Center for Medicine in the Public Interest" is in actuality a Big Pharma funded industry group.

So unsurprisingly, Goldberg omits mention of what "Thimeresol" in the vaccine really is. It's the poisonous neurotoxin, mercury.

We've completely eradicated the flu, apparently. Everyone I know, who has been sick, has had swine flu. Nobody has had ''the flu.''

Yet another indication that old media still have way too much influence in this country.

The well regarded doctor that told you there was less mercury in the Swine flu shot had less truth in him than the president. Lies. Do your own research. Unless he was talking about the "special" vaccine given to the German politicians, mercury,squalene, adjuvant free. I also know a reliable doctor, he said it is poison.

Arrggh, not enough coffee yet, for spell check button pushing.
My dilemma about the shot is that I can’t figure out if they are vaccinating the hysterical sheeple in order to do away with them, thus leaving behind a troublesome, but calmer functioning prole class, or if they are cleverly vaccinating the easily led against a future virus aimed at killing off the troublesome doubters.
Once you put on your tinfoil cowboy hat with the pop-top can chain hatband it can get pretty interesting out
in conspiracy land. For instance Bing Ukraine, WSJ, and swine flu.

My niece has a learning disability called something like ADDNOS, Not Otherwise Specified. Not sure the acronym is completely correct. My sister is certain a vaccine caused it, because she was developing normally until she got it. My niece was small for her age. I don't know if it caused it, but I'm not sure it didn't either. I wouldn't be too anxious to get vaccinated against something short of a plage with a truly high death rate.

The top neurologist in Britian recommended NOT getting the H1N1 vaccine due to the high number of people (higher than the seasonal flu shot) getting guillain barre disease from it. Wasn't that a problem with the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's too? I personally think this vaccine was rushed and, at this point, no longer trusts anything the govt does. the Pinkpanther family will get the seasonal flu vaccine but we're sitting out of the H1N1 one.

The simple truth is that you cannot trust any new drug, be it a vaccine, antibiotic, or any other kind of drug.

The FDA does not safety test drugs or vaccines. That is left up to the drug companies. They fund the universities where a lot of safety testing is done--and you can bet those universities don't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Add that to the fact that it is nearly impossible to sue a drug company unless it pulls a drug off the market--an extreme rarity because the FDA is comprised of former drug company officials with financial ties to the industry. People trust the FDA, yet the FDA can't even keep our spinach supply safe, much less our drug supply.

If you want to see just one example of how the FDA allows unsafe drugs to remain on the market, ignoring all the evidence of crippling adverse drug reactions--even in children--I highly encourage you to check out the documentary Certain Adverse Events. It's on Youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWns15Y5TdI and it shows how children and adults, including a drug rep, had their lives destroyed by an antibiotic that is still on the market today.

Concern over vaccines should be treated the same as concerns over side effects of other medications. The problem is making the vaccine mandatory. That is absurd. Especially when it has already been proven to be a very mild form of flu. Have there been deaths? Yes, just as with the flu. But it has always been a person's choice whether they want to take the flu shot or not. I guarantee you if you make a shot mandatory to all people, there are going to be more problems with the shot than the disease itself.

Just because people are reluctant to take it especially with the hype that has been attached, does not make them nut jobs. It makes them very suspicious of the agenda of the administration.

And Sibelius is going around lying that the reason for vaccine shortage is that the manufacturers promised far greater production capabilities than they actually had. With the rest of this Socialist administration she hates privately owned and operated companies.

When Obama's administration starts talking in panic terms and saying the flu shot will be mandatory, that is what caused people to start questioning the flu shot and his motives. It is not safe for some people. Getting the shot is a crap shoot. I have read of many life long conditions that happened as a direct result of the swine flu.

But the government trying to force the citizens to do anything like this is a testing of the water of how much we will tolerate. Just what kind of obedient sheep we are. It should be up to each individual.

Sorry, I meant life long conditions resulting from vaccines. Got distracted.

People need to chill out about 'swine flu'.

Here is some perspective for you that a doctor buddy of mine sent me:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelpaukner/4052849920/sizes/o/

SoCal

In 2005, the Congress removed drug manufacturers liability for vaccines used during an Emergency Use Authorization. There is no federal plan for compensating those who are injured or killed by the vaccines used during an EUA.

And #7 is correct. Thank God for the NVIC and those parents who got DTP removed and DTaP in its place.

What #36 said.

Another example: Vioxx

It was Hillary who forced the drug companies to sell below cost and eventually put many out of business. Thus the current shortages.

Could you imagine the outcry from the mainstream media if Bush were in office and this vaccine were not widely available!!!

We would hear of nothing else.

#25's scenario is tempting to believe, but the problem is that test runs erode people's faith in govt. Next time they say National Emergency, everyone is going to roll their eyes and say: Oh, sure, just like that swine flu emergency...So I can't see how it would serve them to be doing test runs.

So the Thimerosal in a vaccine is less than that in a tuna sandwich given to your kid.

However, if given a tuna sandwich, your digestive system can cope with a certain amount of toxin, your body and it's digestive system are set up for that and various other insults.

Injecting a tuna sandwiches' amount of mercury directly into an organism is a different kettle of tunafish.

Too many humans trying to play God who is the one and only One I trust.

My husband said he and his buddies used to play with mercury when they were kids...oh wait...

The need for 100% guaranteed outcomes in 100% of the population is one of the most unreasonable positions I've ever witnessed. I've witnessed firsthand in my lifetime the great good that was done by vaccines and medications. Sure, some had bad outcomes. There are no one-size-fits-all medications. None.

Hysteria is probably responsible for more deaths and disabilities than anything else in our world.

#23, Amen!

I'll probably get the 'regular' flu shot, which I've been getting for years, but I wouldn't touch the H1N1 vaccine with a stick, or any other magic health-giving elixir they come up with, for that matter.

Practise good DEFENCE. Avoid sick people as much as possible and for Pete's sake, wash your hands!
I've become a bit of a germaphobe I guess, but my caution is based on science, not paranoia. If you could see 'public surfaces' under a microscope, you'd freak. Door handles, washroom faucets, and shopping carts are the worst!
Keep sanitizer in your car or purse and USE it!

Hogwash. At least where I live, the T-free H1NI is nearly impossible to get. I've spent the last six weeks looking.

My son has a mild neurologial disorder of an unknow origin. Because in the words of his neurologist "It's perhaps simply the way his brain is wired" I am reluctant to have a neurotoxin shot into his tiny body because we simply don't know if or how his brain will react.

I wouldn't feed him a tuna sandwich and I'm ready to essentially quarantine him until this thing blows over, rather than give him a vaccine with Thimerosal in it.

Get the FACTS and then make you own informed decision. Having had mercury poisoning, it is not something I will knowingly give to my children! the poster who said if you believe in freedom , you do what you want, but don't deny me my right to do what I want, is right on! Check out this website for true infornmation, not gov't spin: http://products.mercola.com/swine-flu/20091103.htm

The grandbaby had a fever last week, & went to the pediatrician on Wednesday. The nurse took a cheek swab and came back in a few minutes to say, 'Its the swine flu.' Mom got tamiflu and her fever went down.

Yesterday, at the followup visit Dad asked about swine flu. The doctor said the test to differentiate flu types is $350, and the regular flu season hasn't started yet, so we just assume it is swine flu.

#49 My husband said the same and he is 82

#56 cont. But he didn't ingest, I hope.

I'm with #50.

I've researched this quite a bit as a mother of small children and the best quote I came across was : "The plural of anecdotes is not evidence".

So many conspiracy theories, so little time. The absence of childhood diseases that KILL large number of children is due to vaccines. Now people see no need to use vaccines because they do not remember the diseases.

My pharmacist told me they were short on the regular vaccine because they were low on eggs due to the demand for the swine.

I just returned from my niece's showing. She died from swine flu a week ago this coming Thursday. If you do not wish to receive a vaccination then don't but do not prevent me and mine from getting our shots if that is what we choose to do. While many will become sick and statistically deaths from the swine flu will not be overwhelming. However, behind each statistic a real person with real family and friends will be affected for life.

I haven't gotten either of the flu shots, not because I have any serious qualms about them, but because their availability and my opportunity haven't meshed yet.

I won't call those who object to being vaccinated nuts. That would be rude. But I'll think what I'll think.

Not getting a vaccination does not protect you, because the disease is still out there. Tin foil is no protection against it. Yes, I think that H1N1 is generally overblown; but the visceral reaction against vaccination is...sigh...peculiar.

In very recent history, within the memory of those with whom I have spoken, measles was one of the leading causes of death in our country. (I am old enough that I was out of school for 4 weeks when I was young because of a case of red measles.)

I don't think that the doctors and research scientists are out to get us, and I am thankful for the various vaccines that are available.

My condolences, #61.

I urge you "vacciners" to look a little closer at the data and consider that hygiene, nutrition and sanitation services could...maybe...play a role in why we are living longer and childhood diseases are minimal.

I urge you christians to consider what defect God gave his creation which requires man to come in and save the day through vaccinations.

Tell me why newborn infants are loaded with booster shots to include Hep B.

Google 'Baxter' and Avian Flu. See this article from the Toronto Sun: http://tinyurl.com/9f5v5y

Don't you get it...this article is intended to demonize those who question the almighty government's wisdom in order to marginalize the very reasonable and coherent arguments against bombarding your immune system with viruses, chemicals, toxins and bacterias that were never intended to enter your system.

I urge you christians to consider what defect God gave his creation which requires man to come in and save the day through vaccinations.

When God created the world, he created it perfectly. It was ''very good''.

Then man sinned.

Now we die.

Don't blame it on God.

True what #64 said. God created Adam and Eve and the whole world perfect. Adam's original sin _infected_ the world, and every human being in it, with sin, resulting in all the ills we suffer today. Man is helpless in his present state of ruination and faces only judgment and eternal punishment. That's the bad news. BUT God in His mercy offers a way out! God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross, to take our judgment and pay the penalty for our sin, our guilt laid on Him, his suffering in our place, so that every one who repents of his sin and believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. That's the Gospel -- the Good News.

Adam and Eve were not created perfect - that's a lie if you believe the Words in Bible:

"For the creature [and/or creation itself] was MADE subject to VANITY NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him [that’s God] Who HATH SUBJECTED the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the WHOLE CREATION groans and travails IN PAIN until NOW" (Rom. 8:20-22)!

"And when the woman saw [in her heart] that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eye [in her heart], and a tree to be desired [in her heart] to make one wise [an idol of the heart], she took [’For out of the heart proceed ... thefts...’] of the fruit thereof, and did eat" (Gen. 3:6).

Notice "...and did eat"? It was not the "eating" of the fruit that made Eve a sinner -- she had ALREADY sinned by looking, lusting, and fantasizing about her potential wisdom. It was AFTER she already sinned that she "did eat."

Last post on the myth of perfect Adam (sorry lcom - I think this is important)

It was not possible for Adam and Eve not to sin - they were created for the express purpose of being molded into the "image of God," and so of course, they had to eat of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil or they would have never reached this first spiritual step in becoming LIKE GOD (in His IMAGE Gen. 3:22).

The Lucifer/fallen angel myth is addressed here: You are of your FATHER the DEVIL [the GREAT DRAGON, OLD SERPENT, the DEVIL, and SATAN {Hebrew for Adversary -- I Pet. 5:8} Rev. 12:9], and the lusts of your father ye will do... He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the truth [from the beginning], because there is no truth in him [from the beginning]. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar [from the beginning], and the father [the beginner] of it" (John 8:44) and here: "Now the SERPENT was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had MADE..."