FOX news - doing reporting that the other "news" networks just won't do.

let me ask a question...Do these members of the 'state run media' NOT understand that they and their families will ALL be affected by this hideous 'healthcare' bill??Only Congress is exempt from this nightmare.
Are they REALLY this stupid???

Comrades, these 'demonstration projects are necessary and just 'sensible ways to test new policies before broadly implimenting them'. More like ramming them down our throats. What else do these subversives have waiting in the wings for the country we love and they don't.?

Yeah, "demonstration projects".

That ranks right up there on the BS-o-meter with "temporary tax increase" or "temporary new tax". See also: ObamaCzar.

It's not stupidity, it's a mental disorder.

111 new barackracies

I have a grandson who was definitely a Republican until he went to college. When he finished 4 years of college at the University of Illinois, he came out so brainwashed it was something else. I could hardly talk to him as he had changed so much. I just could not believe what they did to him in four years.

It is going to cost $1.2 Trillion just to fund these bureaucracies. The actual medical expenses will be on top of that, doncha know.

Of course I don't know, but the point is that nobody knows. We can't risk this.

and to think ...Those Are Only the Ones we Know About Today...by Tomorrow, the Number will Increase.

Dear Lord in Heaven, How I Miss 'Barney' and 'Ms Beasley' living in the White House.

It's Time for We The People to file a Class Action Lawsuit! Appeal it all the way to the SCOTUS !

We're not gonna take it anymore.
We want our country back !
You listening barry ?

111 is a good number but not good enough. See http://memeticsmarketing.blogspot.com

A little basic math is in order here. Each new agency needs at least a head and one staff member. Each agency needs a place to meet, preferably in Washington, where rent is not generally low. If you figure approximately $200,000 per year (a low estimate)for the basics of each agency, you are suddenly talking about some serious money. This plan was going to reduce the cost of health insurance, right? Yeah, right!

Sure. Obamites "fact check", while conservatives post "demonstration projects". More projection via redefinition. It's like Pelosi's "astroturf" comment.

It's about creating jobs.

#7...the same thing happened to both of my daughters in college. They're now 43 & 47 and still liberals. I can't even talk to them about politics. One works in the medical field and is all for obamacare.

If they are so convinced these ideas are so perfect that they have to ram them down our throats in such a rush, then why on earth do they need these ''proof of concept'' studies??
1) It's what liberals do. Create bureaucracies that are paid for by OPM.
2) Arguments about ''coverage'' are valid only in a rational world where ''coverage'' is the actual goal. That is not the goal. The real goal is to nationalize 1/6th of our GDP, or 18 percent of private wealth. They have already co-opted 30% of private wealth via stealing GM, Chrysler, Banks, Stock Brokerages, etc. Getting Health Care would take it to 48% and we are no longer a Free Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TAskp6q6h8

As I understand it, the medical malpractice portion of this says that they will give money to the states to study it, but if any state passes laws limiting malpractice awards, then that state will get no money. More extortion.

Correct. No limits on attorney's fees or caps on damages:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/148242

Remember: The issue isn't the issue. The issue is control

#7, I feel for you. My suggestion to parents of college bound young adults, don't send them to day time colleges. Send them to night schools. The faculties are made up mostly of working career oriented,more logical people. Not brainwashed liberal nuts. Better yet, if your child isn't destined for a very specific career, bypass college all together and get into a trade.

Remember this, the lying, cheating, disgusting people who are running this mess will add it to the bill AFTER it passes if they don't get what they want BEFORE it passes. This is really dirty politics that we are witnessing now. Nothing before has ever happened to this country...Our freedems are gone and if the people don't wake up, our whole country is gone....

No, they are not stupid. But they think we are. That's why they keep selling it by using terms like "saving money" and "choice and competition". But it's nothing more than an attempt to grow the federal government. It was NEVER about anything else. That's why they're not honest about it. They have to lie or they'd lose. They're counting on the average American buying into the rhetoric. Thankfully, the truth is becoming clear to more and more people what this is really all about.....

House Republicans claimed ...that the health care reform bill...would create a whopping 111 new "federal bureaucracies."

First of all House Republicans did NOT "find" bureaucracies in the health care bill. WE, those of us who READ the bill, then called our Depends wearing, pants wetters until they pulled their heads out is why they "discovered" that the bill is chocked full of Marxism that will put the final nail in the coffin of the buried Constitution (but they still won't admit that). Except for Bachman and one or two others, Republicans are worthless. Want proof?

Republicans are preparing an alternative health care reform plan. However, ...the House Republican Conference committee provided few details of that plan.
"Rather than a trillion dollar government takeover, it's going to be a step-by-step reform of the current system," said Michael Steel, adding only that there will be no so-called public option in the GOP plan.

How about NO PLAN you morons? How about TORT REFORM, INTERSTATE health plans and ending MediCare fraud instead of your new found "bravery?" While the Marxist takeover is in full swing the GOP wets its pants with "concern."

#7... Same thing happened to my husband and me. Worked hard to get them educated and they have profited by having good jobs in our captialist society. When one child asked if we voted for George W. Bush and we answered yes, that one stopped speaking to us. Another followered suit. Two others just shook their head and called us stupid. Nothing has ever hurt so much. The fifth calls once a year now to see if we're still here. All of them vote Democrat. They all support the health care reform bill. And four of them will be taxed through the roof to pay for it.

'I think there is a good reason why the propaganda system works that way. It recognizes that the public will not support the actual policies. Therefore it is important to prevent any knowledge or understanding of them.'

Avram Noam Chomsky, American Linguist

It's all part of gov't health CONTROL.

If you scan the list, you'll note obvious redundancies. No doubt the left will jump on the number '111', prove it is incorrect (eg. 'only 89'), and the 'stupid' Republicans will be wrong again. The idea that the bill will lead to an outrageous increase in the size of government will be lost. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that is the direction I see this story going.

When times are tough and liberals cheat, lie, steal, obfuscate, and ram their pork projects and Marxism down our throats, I turn to the words of that brilliant scholar Bugs Bunny for enlightenment, who said...'Of course , you know, this means WAR!'.......s/

It's all about the agencies and bureaucracies they can create, after all.

Was never about reforming health care, or insuring the un-insured.

Building gov't.

Which requires more taxes, of course.


Will the GOP get this and work with it in short, simple message?
I doubt it.

Obamination administration and the Dems only want to pass this thing then deal with the consequences.
After all, their timeline is decades instead of 2010 like many in the GOP.
(all those Dem chairman today didn't wait for 12 long years to get back into power to not have long-term timeline).

I have a suggestion for those of you with brainwashed children. Get somebody they look up to to slip them a copy of Atlas Shrugged. I got it from a friend in 1976 and it literally cured 4 years of high school and 4 more of undergrad leftist think (particularly virulent strain since it was Ivy League) in a single weekend.

The trick is to get it presented to them by someone they think is cool.

We already have a healthcare demonstration project in this country. It's called Massachusetts -- whose universal healthcare system has been an expensive flop. The state is going bankrupt, and the program hasn't even attracted those without health insurance throughout the country, who, we have been assured, are in such a state of misery we must overhaul our entire national healthcare system so they can be accommodated.

Where are those tired, those poor, those wretched masses yearning to receive free government-subsidized health insurance? Massachusetts' population has hardly increased since its program went into effect. Although, for all we know, hundreds of thousands of uninsured Americans have been beating down the doors to get into the state, but their numbers have been offset by equal droves of Massachusetts taxpayers beating down the doors to get out so they don't have to pay for the misguided fiasco.

In any case, Americans should not be used as guinea pigs in healthcare projects, especially by an African-American president whose people have been screaming for a hundred years about the Tuskeegee experiments.

#19 posts: ''Remember: The issue isn't the issue. The issue is control.''

Absolute control over 307 million of us who will ever need a future decision made regarding our health and physical welfare.

Today we depend on our personal physician; tomorrow under Obama/Pelosi/Reid Health Care we shall (that nasty word) be obligated to await the decision of a nameless, faceless bureaucrat in Washington. That is IF this boondoggle gets passed.

Suggestion: if you can, join Representative Michelle Bachman, R-MN, Thursday in front of the nation's capitol and visit your Congressman and Senator face-to-face. Telephone calls and letters have no effect any more.

jaq~

These people do not want to Govern...they have no interest in anything less than TO RULE.

The sooner the American electorate wakes up to that the sooner the work of saving the American Experiment from the Obamunist-Alinskyites can commence.

#24 and all others so afflicted. If your children think you are so stupid show them. Fix it so that when the time comes, and I hope it is a long time from now, that they will inherit NONE of your ill-gotten capitalist gains and leave it to a worthwhile charity or institution. Let them stew in their socialist manure.
When I was in my career and working round the clock and attending college I could not believe the difference between night classes and daytime classes. Diametrically opposed to each other in learning and interest. My night time class ( on the same subject) was well ahead of the daytime and was like repeating a class when I had to attend because of schedules.
Many professors HATED the daytime classes and preferred the evening. More relaxed and interested parties all around.

Be sure to go to the link within the article that takes you to the list of the 111 new agencies that will be set up if this monster of a bill gets passed. Click on the words "new boards, bureaucracies, commissions and programs" in the second paragraph -- Or you can see them at Powerline at: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024854.php?format=print

Just reading through that list scared me spitless.

I haven't read the bill yet, but does anyone know if the funding for these 111 new government entities is included in this bill? And, if they are, wanna bet they are grossly misunderestimated?

Pretty soon we'll all have our own govt caseworker. I plan to proselytize mine to the max.