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Sorry your mom is dead.
If only she’d been hit by a
bus, we’d pay your claim

Los Angeles Times, by David Lazarus

Original Article

Posted By:earlybird, 1/11/2019 12:58:03 PM

If Rebecca Anderson had died by falling down an elevator shaft, Citi Group would have made good on its promise to wipe clean all her credit card debt. The company also would have come through if she’d been hit by a bus. But Anderson died suddenly from a heart complication, and Citi ruled that because this was a “natural death” and not an accident, it wasn’t covered by the credit protection program Anderson had paid for in case of her untimely demise. “I could understand if they won’t cover you if it’s a suicide,” Anderson’s daughter, Kara Schmidt, told me.

“…you have to be the right kind of dead…"


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Reply 1 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/11/2019 1:07:40 PM     (No. 11889771)

Ok, what is it that is hard for the family to understand? Accidental death insurance has been around for at least my long life and I thought everyone knew it pays off in case of an accident. Heart failure is not an accidental death.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Highlander, 1/11/2019 1:20:54 PM     (No. 11889783)

After all that back-and-fourth, Citibank agreed to absolve the debt. Good for them. Apparently it was a lower-level employee that said “no” and a higher-up intervened to fix it. Happens all the time.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: plex, 1/11/2019 1:52:29 PM     (No. 11889806)

My guess is that no one read the policy and just thought "Credit Protection" meant any death. Perhaps Citi needs to change the name to "Accident Credit Protection".

So If you make enough noise, the actual terms don´t mean anything. Best beware of future claims for non-accidental deaths.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: danvillebill, 1/11/2019 1:56:07 PM     (No. 11889809)

What #1 said.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/11/2019 2:01:12 PM     (No. 11889813)

Either the contract does or doesn´t say:

"...must be the result of accidental injury that occurred within 90 days prior to the date of death,..."

I suspect that it indeed has that language in the T´s and C´s.

We have a reporter stating two opposing claims regarding what is and isn´t in the contract. Wouldn´t you want to read it and then decide if there is a reason to write and article or was it a slow new day and you needed to whip up a batch.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Udanja99, 1/11/2019 2:24:20 PM     (No. 11889823)

Why is it good, #2? Better would be if people actually paid there credit card bills, zeroing them out every month like I do. Bottom line - the company paying her claim will just cost you and me more of our own money.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: JediJerry, 1/11/2019 2:24:35 PM     (No. 11889824)

OK Team, someone start up a Go Fund Me account and lets fix this now. Let´s take care of Kara. And F Citi.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: John56, 1/11/2019 2:26:30 PM     (No. 11889827)

Just buy stinking term life insurance instead of all these "if you get hit by a truck with white wall tires" accident policies.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: MissMann, 1/11/2019 2:27:38 PM     (No. 11889828)

The same thing happened to my mom. She bought this type of insurance to provide for my sister to take care of death expenses. But the policy was for "accidents" and she died from natural causes, so no pay out.

I´m disappointed that Citi Group caved. The rest of their customers end up covering an error that was obviously the mother´s, not Citi´s. You simply HAVE to read the terms of these things.

Buyer Beware.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 1/11/2019 2:30:59 PM     (No. 11889831)

And while we´re on this subject of paying off credit cards, I hate hearing these ads that if you owe on credit cards you don´t have to pay it off, just call this number. That´s not fair to the card companies. No wonder their interest rate is skyrocketing. Thankful I don´t have to carry balances.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: AmericaYes, 1/11/2019 2:34:32 PM     (No. 11889834)

Credit card companies don´t pay credit card debt for this woman. They don´t pay credit card debit that gets written off.

Credit card users pay these costs.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 1/11/2019 2:45:52 PM     (No. 11889846)

If it is an ´accidental Death Benefit´ policy then Citigroup should stick to it´s rules; now, they have set a precedent. Many of these types of policies are sold and the insurers set the rules for payment. Of course it is sad that a person dies, but that has nothing at all to do with the type of insurance the cardholder paid for.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 1/11/2019 2:54:05 PM     (No. 11889854)

Dear Rely #10- What about the ads that ´lower your IRS debt if it exceeds $10G ?´, to paraphrase. Are they true or a scam ? If true, every taxpayer should just stop paying until you owe the IRS over $10G and then call for help. I have a gut feeling that ======= .

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Reply 14 - Posted by: stablemoney, 1/11/2019 3:35:09 PM     (No. 11889891)

The lady bought credit life insurance and was entitled to be paid, which is why Citibank decided to pay it. A good decision. Citibank, by the way, has gone bankrupt at least 3 times, each time emerging from bankruptcy, after sticking others with the liabilities to pay, primarily the taxpayers. I mention this because, quite frankly, Citibank has a history that should mark them as a very low quality bank, but people don´t follow, or remember history.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: judy, 1/11/2019 3:38:47 PM     (No. 11889898)

A contract is a contract unless you go to the media & complain... then they absolve the debt...well they started something, so they will have to deal with this again. It´s not fair to the ones they denied.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 1/11/2019 3:52:40 PM     (No. 11889916)

If it is an undiagnosed complication, that is to me the same as getting hit by nature´s bus, not man´s. What about THAT is so hard for some folks to understand?

If it was undiagnosed, that should be considered the same as any other accidental death.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: rubberneck, 1/11/2019 4:53:18 PM     (No. 11889969)

What #4 said.

It pays to read the "fine print" carefully, and ask questions if you don´t understand it. AD&D policies are rarely a good deal because the reality is, your chances of dying an "accidental death" are pretty remote unless you hang glide or skydive or such. (And that fine print might even have a disclaimer about hazardous activities. Read it!)

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Reply 18 - Posted by: hpmatt, 1/11/2019 4:58:43 PM     (No. 11889979)

Our maid had a Citibank bank credit card - never used it. Some hackers got a hold of it, ran up the bill. Citibank never contacted her, until she got an IRS 1099-C from them last year - forgiveness of debt.

This is the scam - if Citibank had contacted her, she would have told them it was fraud and she wasn´t liable. This way they get to deduct the ´credit loss´, the theives get to keep the loot, and our maid is paying off the IRS ´income for debt forgiveness´ in monthly instalments. Win-Win-Win!!!

Citibank is as crooked as the day is long.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: lazlototh, 1/11/2019 4:59:32 PM     (No. 11889982)

If it was for accidental death then it very likely was for less than an ordinary life insurance policy would have cost or there wouldn´t have been a reason to buy it since an ordinary life insurance policy would cover a heart attack and an accidental death policy wouldn´t. The woman may have been sufficiently unhealthy that she took the Citicard policy because she couldn´t get a regular life policy. Obviously that´s speculation but the point is that to get coverage for a broader range of death causes she should have had to pay more than for the one where you die because of an accident. A heart attack is NOT an accident. I agree with those who say it´s a shame Citi caved because it will only get paid by everyone else.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: JWatts, 1/11/2019 5:26:39 PM     (No. 11890012)

"Ok, what is it that is hard for the family to understand? Accidental death insurance has been around for at least my long life and I thought everyone knew it pays off in case of an accident."

You clearly didn´t read the article. Essentially Citi Group was advertising a full death policy but then denying the claims for people.

Citi described the policy as:
"“in the event of Death and after 24 months of Job Loss or Disability.”"

And there was no link to the Terms and Conditions.

You can´t legally sale an "Accidental death" policy as a "death" policy. Those are two different things.

So, Citi Group was using false advertising.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: mountain oyster, 1/11/2019 6:20:00 PM     (No. 11890062)

Sorry, but that´s why it´s call accident insurance and why it is so much cheaper than normal (term, universal, whole life) insurance which would have paid in full. Loss of heart plumbing or degradation of same is not an accident. It is known about or should be know about with routine exams. Certainly not always discovered, but it´s not an accident. An electric shock is an accident. Very sorry for her lost life but it´s not the deep pockets´ problem. Read the well written Policy given up front at application time.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: dvc, 1/11/2019 6:29:08 PM     (No. 11890079)

Insurance has rules.

Get over it.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Lawsy0, 1/11/2019 6:31:24 PM     (No. 11890082)

Glad the debt was covered, however, it started to read like the history of Obama´s medical advice to take a pill.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: lakerman1, 1/11/2019 6:55:43 PM     (No. 11890121)

True story.
I worked, first job out of college, for an insurance company, as a personal lines underwriter.
We received a note from an elderly lady who requested that we cancel her auto insurance. She could no longer afford it after the death of her husband in the car accident.
There was no record of a car accident, but we sent a claims adjustor to investigate.
It turned out that she and her husband were stopped at as traffic light, and the car behind them tapped their bumper, causing her husband to bump his chest on the steering wheel. (pre-dated air bags and seat belts)
Several weeks later, the husband died of a heart attack. There was no connection between the accident and the heart attack, and they never reported the claim to us.
They had 2000 dollars medical payments coverage. We wrote the elderly lady a check in that amount.
It made me feel good to see that.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Ribald1, 1/12/2019 12:05:04 AM     (No. 11890269)

Anyone carrying more than 1% of their annual income in credit card debt is financially irresponsible and likely to think buying this kind of insurance is, like buying lottery tickets, a good investment.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/12/2019 12:41:10 AM     (No. 11890293)

Not a fan of Citi but the rules lie in "limitations and exclusions" It is your job to read it. However, if an actual agent met with you and twisted the facts, the agent better have liability insurance.

People keep saying insurance won´t pay for suicide. After two years, it pays.

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Attorney General nominee William Barr said he told President Trump that Robert Mueller is a “straight shooter” when the president once quizzed him about the special counsel’s integrity. Barr, testifying at a Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing on Tuesday, said he talked to Trump about joining the president’s defense team last summer. “He said, ‘Oh you know Bob Mueller, how well do you know Bob Mueller?´” Barr told the panel. He replied that the Barrs and the Muellers were good friends and would remain so even after the investigation was completed. “And he was interested in that, wanted to know

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