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California mandates solar panels
for homes built in 2020 and later

Fox News, by Bradford Betz

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 12/6/2018 9:29:25 AM

California lawmakers on Wednesday officially approved a measure that mandates all homes built in the Golden State in 2020 and beyond be solar-powered. The new standards were approved earlier this year and voted on unanimously by the California Building Standards Commission, the Orange County Register reported. Officials heralded the move as a “historical undertaking” that “will be a beacon of light for the rest of the country.” The provisions add an estimated $10,000 to the cost of building a single-family home – including more than $8,400 for installing solar and roughly $1,500 for energy efficiency. Proponents of these requirements, however

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Reply 1 - Posted by: qwerty, 12/6/2018 9:37:50 AM     (No. 11854528)

Pass the pop corn. This "FEEL GOOD" garbage is nothing more than a money grab from contractors. Can you see house sales nose dive?
Only the emaciated vegan tree huggers will be the buyers.
SAVE YOURSELF ... DON´T MOVE to the LEFT SIDE.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: plex, 12/6/2018 9:44:26 AM     (No. 11854536)

Will increase the value of older homes without solar.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: jeffkinnh, 12/6/2018 9:52:01 AM     (No. 11854545)

This will add to the costs of already overpriced real estate and continue to drive people out of the state.

As long as the federal government doesn´t bail out California for their insane ideas and the cost of them, they can dig themselves deeper into the pit as they wish.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: fayebeck, 12/6/2018 9:54:48 AM     (No. 11854549)

#2 No problem. The older homes will be required to "upgrade" with solar before owner is allowed to sell. Count on it.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Axeman, 12/6/2018 9:56:18 AM     (No. 11854551)

Good. This will require cutting down every tall tree within shading distance. Thereby reducing the fire danger.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: pchristopher, 12/6/2018 9:58:36 AM     (No. 11854555)

Let´s see what happens when "teenagers" start going through neighborhoods and throw rocks and bullets at them.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/6/2018 10:04:14 AM     (No. 11854561)

There must be some sort of concerted effort being made on this, because just yesterday I heard about some wacko group trying to get something like that introduced into the upcoming session of the Texas Legislature.

They have an agenda and they are going to ram it through and keep working until people relent or the get some weak legislator to wimp out due to bad media press attacking them.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Hotrod, 12/6/2018 10:04:37 AM     (No. 11854562)

Like it´s not expensive enough to build a house in California now! I wonder if the insurance companies will pay for this when the houses that recently burned up in the fires are rebuilt? They better hurry up and build before 2020- if they can get through all the permitting process in the next year! One thing for sure, insurance rates will go up, regardless.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Ribald1, 12/6/2018 10:14:13 AM     (No. 11854573)

Elon Musk´s solar company, along with his car company and his rocket company are facing a very real threat of Trump cutting off access to your wallet.
The Chinese, who make most of the solar panels, are likewise facing losing a place at the trough.
So look for this kind of thing happening all over the country.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Highlander, 12/6/2018 10:15:10 AM     (No. 11854575)

Well, my home value just tanked! Who’s going to buy a house in California, knowing this law is going to affect every homeowner in the state?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: enemyofthestate, 12/6/2018 10:20:50 AM     (No. 11854582)

Stand by for the unintended consequences.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: skacmar, 12/6/2018 10:23:53 AM     (No. 11854589)

California is the real life version of Atlas Shrugged. They keep making so many regulations "for the good of the people" that they are destroying any incentive to build, relocate, or open or operate a business there. The only reason to live there is if you want to live in a nanny state where all of your decisions are made for you by the government.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Words have Meaning, 12/6/2018 10:30:06 AM     (No. 11854597)

A message to all residents of CA...Just because your state is in the toilet and quickly going down the drain, do not think for one second you can just move out of state and spread your poison to neighboring states.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 10:32:22 AM     (No. 11854600)

Years ago (in the 1970s) a very large multi-state development company that I worked for, that build entire communities of many hundreds of homes, discarded the idea of installing solar because it was ineffective. For many reasons it could not support a home’s entire power needs. The best it could do would be to act as backup. To heat a swimming pool. Not much else.

Another screwball Jerry Brown idea.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 10:33:12 AM     (No. 11854602)

Re #14, that company built its huge developments in California, Arizona and Texas.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 12/6/2018 10:33:41 AM     (No. 11854605)

No matter which state you live in, I wouldn´t by buying anything solar at this time. See what happens in California. The price of solar should drastically come down. So it won´t hurt to wait it out for a few years.
The demise of this law will be the people won´t maintain their systems. They´re only good for 20 to 30 years anyway so what happens then.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Starboard_side, 12/6/2018 10:34:35 AM     (No. 11854607)

Of course they could have mandated that every government building, school, university, hospital, warehouse building, and mall parking lots could have been pushed to install solar panels instead, and they would cover FAR more acreage than a bunch of homes, particularly new built homes.

It would reduce the carbon footprint, lower the energy use(costs) for every gov´t department, which would also mean they would needn´t need as much $$ in future budgets.



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Reply 18 - Posted by: LC Chihuahua, 12/6/2018 10:35:43 AM     (No. 11854609)

I would say there goes the housing industry, but California has likely already destroyed it with sky high prices. No wonder people are leaving the state. Nothing will be fixed either. The corrupt left has a chokehold on California at the federal level, and the state level. It will get worse.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: seamusm, 12/6/2018 10:36:39 AM     (No. 11854611)

Oh PLEASE Dear Lord! Don´t let Californians move to Texas and spread their voting habits.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Clinger, 12/6/2018 10:39:48 AM     (No. 11854613)

That pesky middle class refused to completely disappear, they had to do something. This should finish them off so they can enjoy the land of filthy rich elites and droves of poor unwashed masses. Way to go Cali can´t wait for Illinois to catch up.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: peebster, 12/6/2018 10:42:39 AM     (No. 11854615)

$10K per home? Yeah, right. And the bullet train will only cost $3B. If its mandated, the cost will easily go to $50K or higher. We reduced our San Jose water use by half, killed most of our yard and what happened? They doubled our water rates. We now live in Michigan and love it. Escaped just in time apparently...

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 12/6/2018 10:42:46 AM     (No. 11854616)

And these Einsteins will be surprised that the higher costs of housing in the state will further aggravate the lack of "affordable" housing. Of course their solution will be to mandate that the builders lower their prices for a certain portion of the population, forcing them the raise their prices on everyone else to offset the lost revenue.

It´s the leftist way.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 12/6/2018 10:45:22 AM     (No. 11854622)

Fantastic! Californians will be swarming into Nevada buying homes- My home here is already worth nearly a half million. The only downside is- They are Californians!

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Reply 24 - Posted by: coldoc, 12/6/2018 10:49:27 AM     (No. 11854626)

Here in AZ, an initiative to californicate the state mandating "renewable" energy sources failed 70-30%. Like almost having the hairball hag for president, we dodged a bullet.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: M2, 12/6/2018 11:08:43 AM     (No. 11854663)

CA, please secede so the rest of us can live in peace.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: snowoutlaw, 12/6/2018 11:11:13 AM     (No. 11854668)

Hopefully the future housing shortage will keep some of the liberals from moving in from back east and distroying a once great state.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: scottj, 12/6/2018 11:15:03 AM     (No. 11854672)

Beacon of light for the rest of the country? I think we heard the same thing about that high speed train. Thats some beacon.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: mc squared, 12/6/2018 11:59:22 AM     (No. 11854720)

Assuming it worked and a percentage of homes go off the grid. Do you think power companies aren´t going to distribute their costs over the remaining customers?

Most solar homes are never fully off the grid: they retain commercial power for emergencies, panel failures, and long gray weather conditions (wildfires?).
Power plants can´t be shut down and started ´at will´. They will run all the time, anyway.




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Reply 29 - Posted by: dynomitethings, 12/6/2018 12:21:19 PM     (No. 11854741)

Absolutely ridiculous. Solyndra, anyone?

I´ve been to California, from San Diego to San Francisco and while it is a very pretty state, I don´t see the appeal of living there. With stunts like this, the outrageous taxation as well as high housing costs, etc. I don´t understand why anyone would want to live there.

It´s worse than Europe in some aspects(!) and I´ve lived in Europe, as a citizen, for many years...so I know.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: JediJerry, 12/6/2018 12:25:04 PM     (No. 11854743)

Don’t forget it costs a lot of money per year to clean these panels because the more dust and dirt that accumulates on them the less efficient they are. These panels will add additional costs to construction for structural engineering the new loads on the roof framing, walls and foundations as well as additional costs for all of the supporting structures. Next we will see the all wise and knowing state mandate guacamole be served at every meal. Thus giving the avocado farmers in Mexico a real boost in sales.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: dvc, 12/6/2018 12:40:36 PM     (No. 11854762)

Another nail in the coffin of California.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: jacksin5, 12/6/2018 12:57:31 PM     (No. 11854794)

Like Electric cars, the main drawback is storage capacity of the energy created.

And like others have already stated, an installation cost of 10K is a pipedream.

The only person who will be happy with this is Elon Musk, darling of the Leftist Dreamers.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Timber Queen, 12/6/2018 1:02:06 PM     (No. 11854797)

California is not the only state infected by communists, nor are we the epicenter sending voter-agents across the country to spread the virus. Every state, whether blue, red, or purple, already have the pathogens in their systems.

California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts and so many others are the laboratories where new strategies and tactics are tried, and then farmed out to the purple and red states. If the Republicans were truly anti-communists, we could have a fighting chance but that is just not reality. It is the legislatures and governors that pass these oppressive laws, not the voters of a state. The Dims picked up control of more legislatures and governor offices this mid-term.

California is my birthright and I’m staying. Why move when there is no “safe” state that will not be taken over slowly and stealthily in the same way that tarnished the Golden State. Each of us has to fight for our state, for our country, and right now for our President. Donald Trump is our only hope to save our Constitution.

Moving out of socialist states is not the answer, it’s just moving pieces around on the game board. Did we all abandon America when Obola was in charge? Stay, fight, win.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: rubberneck, 12/6/2018 1:20:36 PM     (No. 11854820)

If you live in Palm Springs, sunshine probably hits your rooftop 320 days a year.

If you live in Eureka, 40+ inches of rain hits your rooftop every year - 10 times as much as in Palm Springs. (23+ inches falls on Nancy´s house in San Francisco every year.)

If there´s any one state that´s an unlikely candidate for mandatory solar panels across-the-state, it would be California.

(But that´s just the common sense in me... and what do I know, compared with the California Building Standards Commission?)

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Reply 35 - Posted by: judy, 12/6/2018 1:21:17 PM     (No. 11854821)

With 75% of Californians on welfare I don´t think they have to worry about solar panels on new homes.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: schnapps, 12/6/2018 3:23:42 PM     (No. 11854908)

Other CA beacons of light:

- High speed train. Budget $30 billion - looking more like $200 billion. Can´t find any tracks yet.

- Embryonic Stem Cell research. Spent $6 - $9 billion to date. Only break-throughs have been in adult stem cell researchers outside CA.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: dvc, 12/6/2018 3:27:49 PM     (No. 11854911)

#7, understand that the business folks who will benefit greatly from ENFORCED PURCHASING of their (probably overpriced, since the buyer MUST BUY) solar systems will be very, very interested in all state legislatures pushing this kind of law.

Businesses LOVE customers being required to purchase their wares. And they will send money back to the legislators as bribes and campaign contributions in great numbers.

Look at ethanol. Bad idea, costs more, lowers gas mileage, harms all small engines that are not run with great regularity, yet can the 200 million people that hate it get it stopped? Of course not, the corn farmers and the ethanol distillers have the legislatures all bribed and paid up, can´t stop it.

Solar panels on homes will be the same if we let it get a foothold. Kill this in the beginning or have it forever.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: anonymous, 12/6/2018 3:31:28 PM     (No. 11854913)

Yet more Communist-style intrusion by those in the California government who are hell-bent on doing "good for the world". I can´t see the US Supreme Court allowing it.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 5:35:37 PM     (No. 11854992)

Re #33, yes. And yes and yes…

Have you ever noticed we never hear where the California bashers live? What Utopia they have chosen to reside and spend their days in while stoning California, all of its residents, including the California LDotters.

Better not get a hurricane or a tornado. I won’t be able to find my violin.

This is not the friendly supportive LCom of old. Too sad.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: strike3, 12/6/2018 5:43:51 PM     (No. 11855000)

Too late, #13. The liberal virus has already spread from Commiefornia to Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona and to a certain extent back east. If you meet new neighbors moving in and they say they are from California, sell your home quickly and move to the Midwest.

Residents may brag that California has a lot of industry and opportunities but you have to live in misery, crawl on freeways, pay outrageous taxes and suffer fools for politicians to take advantage of them. It may be worth it for some but not if you want to stay sane. Just look at Pelosi, Moonbeam, Feinstein, Maxine, Schiff and Harris, those wild buggy eyes and insane rhetoric say it all.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: earlybird, 12/6/2018 7:01:09 PM     (No. 11855058)

Re #35, link for that percentage on welfare, please.

The story I saw within the last day or so gave a percentage near that for illegal families, not all Californians.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: gone2pot, 12/6/2018 7:14:58 PM     (No. 11855064)

33, there are Venezuelans who feel the same way. Wait until Newsom and the CalMarxists give the entire world free health care, free income, free college and probably subsidized solar panels for their tent cities near Angel Stadium. I left in ´94 and hang a picture of the Welcome To California sign framed by my rear view mirror in the barndominium. However, I do pray for you and TK regularly.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: doctorfixit, 12/6/2018 9:09:03 PM     (No. 11855115)

Just in case there are any young people left in the state who could possibly afford to buy a home, Democrats are here to protect their property investments by adding more cost to get into the game.

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Federal prosecutors in New York are investigating President Donald Trump’s inaugural committee amid suspicion that a portion of the $107 million it raised was misspent, according to a report. The Wall Street Journal states the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office is in the beginning stages of probing whether the committee’s most prominent donors made sizable contributions “in exchange for access to the incoming Trump administration, policy concessions or to influence official administration positions.”The Journal reports: The investigation partly arises out of materials seized in the federal probe of former Trump

Incoming Muslim Congresswomen
Mock Pence’s Christian Faith

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Cybercast News Service, by Patrick Goodenough    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 12/13/2018 5:43:10 PM     Post Reply
One of the first two Muslim women elected to the U.S. Congress took a snide dig on Twitter at Vice President Pence for sitting with eyes closed during a heated Oval Office meeting, posting a photo with the caption, “Jesus take the wheel!” – and the other incoming Muslim congresswoman applauded the insult. Ihlan Omar’s (D-Minn.) tweet ended with the hashtag #BorderWall, a reference to the contentious issue discussed during President Trump’s meeting Tuesday with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) The second Muslim woman elected to the House,

Elizabeth Warren Admits She Is Not
A Person Of Color

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Daily Caller, by Amber Athey    Original Article
Posted By: ladydawgfan- 12/14/2018 2:26:20 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren admitted on Friday that she is not a person of color, despite recently seeking to prove that she has Native American ancestry. In October, Warren released a DNA test in an attempt to combat President Donald Trump’s many attacks on her alleged Native American ancestry. The test results showed that she has a Native American ancestor “in the range of 6–10 generations ago.” But during a commencement address at Morgan State University in Baltimore, Maryland, on Friday, Warren made clear that she does not consider herself a person of color. “I’m not a person of

The Weekly Standard, a conservative magazine
critical of Trump, to shutter after 23 years

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CNN Business, by Oliver Darcy    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 12/14/2018 12:50:39 PM     Post Reply
New York -The Weekly Standard, the magazine that espouses traditional conservatism and which has remained deeply critical of President Donald Trump, will shutter after 23 years, Clarity Media Group, the owner of its publisher announced Friday morning. It will publish its final issue on December 17. The announcement came after the magazine´s editor-in-chief, Stephen Hayes, met privately with Ryan McKibben, the chairman of The Weekly Standard´s publisher, MediaDC. "For more than twenty years The Weekly Standard has provided a valued and important perspective on political, literary and cultural issues of the day," McKibben said in a press release. "The magazine

Tough times for many federal
employees, new report finds

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CNN, by Gregory Wallace, Aaron Kessler    Original Article
Posted By: LittleHoodedMonk- 12/13/2018 12:37:17 PM     Post Reply
Washington - The Environmental Protection Agency´s employees do not appear thrilled with the direction of their department. (Snip) All of the separate offices within the EPA also reported decreases in worker engagement. Their former leader, Scott Pruitt, was forced to resign after series of ethical scandals. The agency´s new director, former coal lobbyist Andrew Wheeler, has continued the dismantling of numerous environmental regulations. Elsewhere around Washington´s federal workforce, there were also signs of discontent. The decline at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau was among the most notable examples

The DOJ Inspector General Found 19,000
´Lost´ Strzok and Page Texts

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Townhall, by Katie Pavlich    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 12/13/2018 3:04:37 PM     Post Reply
The Department of Justice Inspector a General released a report Thursday showing thousands of text messages sent by fired FBI agent Peter Strzok and former FBI attorney Lisa Page were not properly preserved and presented a “gap” in investigating their misconduct at the Bureau. "The Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General initiated this investigation upon being notified of a gap in text message data collection during the period December 15, 2016 through May 17, 2017, from Federal Bureau of Investigati

We Might Not Have Enough
Materials for All the Solar Panels
and Wind Turbines We Need

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Popular Mechanics, by Avery Thompson    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 12/14/2018 2:25:55 PM     Post Reply
If we want to stop climate change, we’ll have to stop pumping out carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. In order to do that, we’ll need to replace all the sources of carbon pollution—like fossil fuel plants and combustion vehicles—with clean, renewable alternatives. But there’s a problem: According to a new study, we might not have enough materials to make that happen. Plenty of high-tech electronic components, like solar panels, rechargeable batteries, and complex circuits, require specific rare metals. (Snip) mined in large quantities in countries around the world, and they make their way into the supply chains of

Hating The President Is Not a Strategy,
As Bill Kristol Just Learned

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Townhall, by Jeff Ballabon    Original Article
Posted By: MissMolly- 12/15/2018 5:13:13 AM     Post Reply
Going all in on attacking President Trump isn’t proving to be a particularly effective business strategy for media outlets. The Weekly Standard, a 28-year old neoconservative institution, is reportedly headed towards dissolution after its founder, Bill Kristol, devoted almost three years of work to attacking the President and his supporters. It’s not just Kristol. The entire world of clickbait Trump-hate seems to be in jeopardy, including sites that cater to the liberal base. The same week that The Weekly Standard’s troubles broke, Vanity Fair dropped a bombshell report about the struggles faced by those hip, millennial-targeted left-wing rags

Curt Schilling ripped for his attack
on Ocasio-Cortez’s intelligence

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New York Post, by Yaron Steinbuch    Original Article
Posted By: Ribicon- 12/13/2018 11:39:19 PM     Post Reply
Former Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling took a swing at Bronx Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, slamming her intelligence after she complained that her ideas are being scrutinized because of her young age. The 29-year-old Democratic Socialist responded this week to what she considered a double standard she has observed in press coverage of herself compared to House Speaker Paul Ryan, the Boston Globe reported. “Double standards are Paul Ryan being elected at 28 and immediately being given the benefit of his ill-considered policies considered genius; and me winning a primary at 28 to immediately be

Chief Justice of California Supreme Court
leaves GOP over Kavanaugh confirmation

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The Hill [DC], by Morgan Gstalter    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 12/14/2018 4:38:28 AM     Post Reply
The Chief Justice of California’s Supreme Court announced on Thursday that she had left the Republican Party following the confirmation of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. California Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye told CALmatters that she had been deliberating her decision for a while but made up her mind after watching the backlash following multiple sexual assault allegations leveled against Kavanaugh. Christine Blasey Ford, a professor from Palo Alto, testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September, alleging that Kavanaugh assaulted her in the 1980s when they were both high school students.

Judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional,
endangering coverage for 20 million

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Politico, by Paul Demko and Adam Cancryn    Original Article
Posted By: earlybird- 12/14/2018 9:21:01 PM     Post Reply
A federal judge in Texas late Friday threw the health coverage of some 20 million Americans in limbo by ruling Obamacare must be scrapped because Congress struck the penalty for failing to obtain insurance coverage. The invalidation of the landmark 2010 law is certain to send shock waves through the U.S. health system and Washington after a midterm election seen in part as a rebuke to Republican efforts to tear down Obamacare.


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