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Senate Republicans Develop The Most Credible
Plan Yet To ´Repeal And Replace´ Obamacare

Forbes, by Avik Roy

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Posted By:StormCnter, 1/28/2014 4:45:07 AM

“Repealing and replacing” Obamacare with market-oriented reforms has been the Republican mantra for years now. If you’re a long-time follower of this space, you know that we’re skeptical that Obamacare will ever be repealed, GOP slogans to the contrary. Today, however, a trio of experienced Senate Republicans—Tom Coburn (Okla.), Richard Burr (N.C.), and Orrin Hatch (Utah)—have put forth the most thoughtful and constructive plan yet developed to repeal and replace Obamacare. The plan seeks to ensure that as many Americans have health coverage as Obamacare does. It’s a proposal grounded in the real-world tradeoffs that all serious reformers must make.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: planetgeo, 1/28/2014 6:25:07 AM     (No. 9708465)

What´s wrong with simply "repeal"? Get government out of healthcare and the market will reorganize on its own to come up with options to "replace." The one and only good thing I can think of that government could do to lower health care costs would be tort reform. Talk to any doctor about what percentage of his fees are driven by legal costs and malpractice insurance and you´ll quickly see where much of the real problem lies.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: StormCnter, 1/28/2014 6:38:43 AM     (No. 9708477)

#1, there will have to be something to fill the gap between repeal and the market recovery you mentioned. What about those who have lost their insurance and for whom the insurance industry no longer has a plan to offer? Yes, the industry can replace those plans, but not quickly enough to help those in the midst of some kind of expensive treatment or hospitalization.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Arby, 1/28/2014 7:29:50 AM     (No. 9708512)

Sounds a lot better than Fauxbamacare. I´d prefer to just tweak our original system--tort reform; buy insurance across state lines, etc.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 1/28/2014 7:30:41 AM     (No. 9708513)

We have just two problems with this repeal schtick. Reid in the Senate and Obie in the WH.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Periwinkel, 1/28/2014 7:31:00 AM     (No. 9708515)

Very often we hear of wonderful plans from the Senate and the House, but after the announcement everyone just melts into the woodwork. I know the media won´t help, but how did Newt Gingrich get people to understand the Contract with America?

Contract with America was the last time, Republicans gave full-throated explanation to their plans. We certainly need more of that. It is part of the campaign for the election this year and AGAIN in the run-up to 2016.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Kerryman, 1/28/2014 7:31:02 AM     (No. 9708516)

More government centric garbage from the elites. I´m sorry Tom Coburn put his name on it. Where are the Health Savings Accounts(HSA´s)? Mine certainly influenced my consumer choices on Healthcare as it would affect others. It´s a control issue not a Healthcare issue and why it´s being framed this way.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: raspberry, 1/28/2014 7:37:30 AM     (No. 9708523)

Surely American Free Enterprise can again come up with a workable system like what most of us had and liked. For many of us the premiums were manageable and the plans were good. Oh, I know. Like with the British Insurance Companies Ovomit "stuffed their mouths with gold."

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Reply 8 - Posted by: reformationmama, 1/28/2014 7:42:29 AM     (No. 9708533)

Burr is a second-term senator in my state. His votes have been seductively trending more and more progressive. Get the government out of health care altogether. Lower or do away with federal income/inheritance taxes. Torte reform. Portability. But not "I´ve got another one just like the other one."

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Reply 9 - Posted by: sorosisbehindit, 1/28/2014 8:07:02 AM     (No. 9708565)

Translation:

"a trio of experienced Senate Republicans"
means
not that damnable upstart Cruz from Texas, who embarrassed us by pointing out how worthless we are when we don´t control all three branches of government in any given year

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Reply 10 - Posted by: suedotsue, 1/28/2014 8:22:23 AM     (No. 9708593)

There doesn´t ´have to´ be anything about anything. Every day there´s a new group who´s in a ´gap.´ No one has the faintest idea who´s in or out of a gap anymore. On the other hand, the massive bureaucracy created for this fraud is sitting pretty. The GOP had every chance to stop this and chose not to by failing to hold a standalone up or down vote to defund O´Care or even approve it as a tax. Before O´Care even came out it was admitted 30 million wouldn´t be covered. This author Avik Roy has a hugely inflated view of himself. He doesn´t get to lecture me on how to be serious. I know what´s serious.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: bugboy, 1/28/2014 8:31:55 AM     (No. 9708618)

Repeal it! Nothing needs to fill the gap!

Before everyone fell for the great lie that we needed government funded health care every thing was moving along smoothly. Now the lie has been sold and people believe it.

I quoted Saul Alinsky in another discussion here it is again from Saul Alinsky´s 12 rules.

Rule #10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

In other words tell a lie long enough you change the conversation so that the lie now becomes the truth.

People, Obama uses Saul Alinsky´s Rules for Radicals all the time. If you read them and familiarize yourself with them you will begin to see how Obama and the liberal left works. With that understanding you can see right through their entire sham and look back and see how we have been dooped.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Felixcat, 1/28/2014 8:49:39 AM     (No. 9708648)

I may have posed this question during the Obamacare debate a couple of years ago, but what did Americans do before there was "health insurance." Did everyone who got sick just die because they couldn´t pay for health care?

As for gaps, well, life is a series of gaps. What´s next - the income gap? The automobile gap? The housing gap (well, we saw how well that turned out). Government cannot make life perfect or 100% safe.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: stablemoney, 1/28/2014 9:02:49 AM     (No. 9708671)

Why are insurance premiums increasing so much every year? Not for the reason most given: That healthcare costs are rising. My thought is a lot of it is the government and the insurance companies have recognized that when they work together the government can have more and the insurance companies can have more, and the people are too weak to do anything about it. So let´s deconstruct the government/insurance company cartel.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Clinger, 1/28/2014 9:21:34 AM     (No. 9708700)

Replacing a socialist takeover with a better socialist takeover doesn´t cut it. Let the free market work, identify where the government impeded the free market and that will lead you to the needed reform. Such as allowing competition across state lines. Then take a step back and look at the anticipated consequences. If the little piggy who built the straw house and partied his tush off while others toiled building the brick house falls on hard times and we decide to assist him, it´s welfare not insurance. The free market isn´t the mechanism for welfare.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: dvc, 1/28/2014 10:58:34 AM     (No. 9708885)

You are entitled to exactly as much health care as YOU can pay for. This idea the "health care for the poor" is a government responsibility is SOCIALISM. The poor should be handled by charities. If the feds would take their siphon out of my purse, much more of my money would go to charities - especially those that distinguish between the lazy druggie and the family with a temporary problem and real need.

I understand the need for a transition period, but whatever is put in place needs to taper off of the government controls and government money over a period of years. Health Savings Account could be as big a success as IRAs, money you invest in your self and you keep whatever isn´t necessary.

A tax exempt HSA for ordinary medical expenses combined with a catastrophic coverage option, which by itself is typically very cheap, is all you really need.

The Blue Cross Zerocare cost for two early 60s adults is $16,800 per year, with a $4,750 deductible PER PERSON. So, a couple will pay $26,000 per year for health care before getting anything covered. The same money invested in an HSA would probably build more than $50,000 excess in 3 years. Backed with a catastrophic plan that ONLY covers costs above $20,000-$30,000 per year (for a very low premium) this would be far better than this hideous Zerocare.


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Reply 16 - Posted by: Bpl40, 1/28/2014 11:17:07 AM     (No. 9708922)

Let´s face it. Social engineering and coerced income transfer are the true central goals of 0bamacare. If it does not do that Reid and Zippy will dig their heels in. So other than election year grandstanding this is unlikely to go anywhere.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: pickle1, 1/28/2014 11:18:59 AM     (No. 9708928)

Repeal it. Whatever it takes to drive a stake through it to get rid of it. No compromise. It´s not about healthcare or health insurance. It´s about corruption.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Skeptical1, 1/28/2014 11:33:24 AM     (No. 9708964)

This plan seems too wonky to work.

One of the things I don´t like is the proposal to cap the employer´s tax exclusion at 65% of the cost of today´s plans, and use the (imagined) revenue increase to subsidize other people´s plans. It´s just another hidden tax, built on the already illogical tax treatment of employer sponsored vs. individually purchased plans.



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Reply 19 - Posted by: OdinsAcolyte, 1/28/2014 11:53:47 AM     (No. 9709009)

Say out of private enterprise. FOOLS

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Reply 20 - Posted by: GreatPlains, 1/28/2014 12:52:39 PM     (No. 9709133)

Repealing Obamacare is not going to happen, because it can´t.
Democrats control the Senate by 10 seats 45-55.
Obama will never , ever , ever sign anything repealing Obamacare.
So..in order to override his veto-it would require a 2/3 vote of the Senate-66 votes.
21 Senate Democrats would have to join Republicans to override Obama´s veto.
Repealing it sounds so simple, but, the reality is that repeal will cause as much chaos and be as big of a logistical mess as Obamacare.
Trying to make our health are system whole again will take years, assuming we ever get the numbers to repeal.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Penney, 1/28/2014 1:17:16 PM     (No. 9709179)

If the GOP votes to grant amnesty to the ILLEGAL aliens, they might as well forget any other policy ideas. mmm mmm mmm

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Reply 22 - Posted by: jglas, 1/28/2014 1:48:32 PM     (No. 9709235)

To accept that the Republicans have to come up with a comprehensive (read universal) federal healthcare plan to replace the Democrat´s comprehensive federal healthcare plan is to accept that the federal government is responsible for securing/providing healthcare for each and every person within the United States. But the federal government is not responsible for people´s healthcare anymore than it´s responsible for providing them food, housing, education or a job. This can be confirmed with a cursory reading of the constitution. In fact it is denied the federal government to provide such goods and services since the constitution does not empower them to provide such things and the tenth amendment to the constitution forbids the federal government to do the things they have not been specifically empowered to do by the constitution. Nowhere does it empower them to provided, food, education, housing, healthcare or any other necessity of life (saving defense) that you can name. The tenth amendment further empowers the states and the people to do for themselves the things not specified by the constitution for the federal government to do. This is the embodiment of the principle that people should be free to pursue their own happiness not the happiness that the government decides they should have. That is the source of our liberty. Any effort by the federal government to do those things for us that we can do for ourselves, however nice they might seem to some, represents a diminution of our freedom.

In effect the Republicans effort to provide their own comprehensive healthcare plan indicates they accept Obama´s assertion that we need to fundamentally change our form of government to something less freedom oriented and more socialistic only it should have their stamp of approval on it.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: jdf, 1/28/2014 2:22:18 PM     (No. 9709276)

The system has not worked well. Reform is necessary; just not the reform the President proposed. This proposal sounds a lot better.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: Kerryman, 1/28/2014 2:24:58 PM     (No. 9709279)

I always ask this question when dealing with the other side. “Why do you have to touch the Healthcare of 285 Million Americans to solve the problems of 45,000,000 Americans?”. They have no answer because there is no answer. It’s a device to hide the taxes.

Dump Obamacare. Have a good program for pre-existing conditions. Implement universal HSA’s, cross-state and Tort Reform.

You have Medicaid for the poor. If you want to have a tax credit in lieu of the EITC (you can’t get both) fine. This is all nuts and only about power and control.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: HisHandmaiden, 1/28/2014 2:40:37 PM     (No. 9709310)

Ditto #26. And concentrate on getting 66+ senators!

There, that´s solved.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: gone2pot, 1/28/2014 5:03:17 PM     (No. 9709505)

Once upon a time we had two years worth of GOP House, Senate and Oval Office. We got campaign finance reform. Figure the odds that even with 66 GOP Depends Wearers in the Senate AND a GOP in the Oval Office with GOP House in 2016, this plan is anything other than a training manual for treading water for those stuck in the Titanic at the bottom of the Atlantic. (For those in Rio Linda, it´s too late and useless now). Again, give me your address and I´ll send you my pom-poms.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: freffy16, 1/28/2014 5:16:55 PM     (No. 9709524)

But he doesn´t want to repeal and replace - and he "owns" the guvmint.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: lc hoghead, 1/28/2014 5:49:52 PM     (No. 9709553)

Believe it when you see it.. The RINOs are COWARDS

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Reply 29 - Posted by: O.G.´s Mom, 1/28/2014 10:32:35 PM     (No. 9709782)

Just repeal. The government, I don´t care who is running it DemoRATS or Republicans, has no place in anyone´s health care. Government tampering and involvement has brought this mess of a system to where it is now. Just get out and let the free market run this just like life insurance and car insurance. Period.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: nevernaught, 1/29/2014 11:07:03 AM     (No. 9710213)

Is this sort of like their other new plan to replace American citizens with illegal criminals at the voting booth. Sounds the same.



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Reply 31 - Posted by: pickle1, 1/29/2014 3:06:18 PM     (No. 9710571)

How abut government getting out of our lives. There is nothing remotely near healthcare or health insurance when government and sometimes greedy big business get involved.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 1/29/2014 10:33:26 PM     (No. 9710992)

One major insurance problem #14 is our companies that have been sold to foreign identities who have taken all the working cash out of the USA.
This follows the electrical power companies as well.A second problem is/was AARP who sold us out on the promise that their co. United Health would be the single source. Notice now that company is puling out of many locations and causing dropped plans . Perhaps former Senator Santoromn could explain just how much pork was thrown their way via his efforts.

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