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Rob Portman’s gay marriage epiphany
Daily Caller, by Matt K. Lewis

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Posted By:StormCnter, 3/16/2013 6:26:02 AM

You’ve probably heard that Sen. Rob Portman reversed his position on gay marriage, citing the fact that he recently found out his son was gay. Not everyone on the left is celebrating Portman’s epiphany. In fact, some observers are calling it selfish. For example, Jonathan Chait wrote, “By Portman’s own account … he opposed gay marriage until he realized that opposition to gay marriage stands in the way of his own son’s happiness.” It might surprise you to learn that I agree. This has nothing to do with whether or not gay marriage is good or bad policy,

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I´m with Lewis. I´m not sure why Portman´s gay son requires a marriage instead of a legally recognized civil union. It´s the marriage part that upsets most of us, not the gay part.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: mws50, 3/16/2013 6:36:49 AM     (No. 9227699)

hey, Portman... How many grandkids will your son´s "marriage" produce for you?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: provide, 3/16/2013 6:45:34 AM     (No. 9227702)

If being married is happiness for gays, then it should be a requirement.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: WhamDBambam, 3/16/2013 6:46:30 AM     (No. 9227704)

Soooo, your oft-spouted ethics were OK until you had to change them because of someone in your family.

How Pharonic.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: artman1746, 3/16/2013 7:11:40 AM     (No. 9227721)

Thank goodness he didn´t discover his son was a pedophile. Portman might have gone on a nationwide tour supporting sex with children.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth, 3/16/2013 7:12:21 AM     (No. 9227723)

"Yale?"

Way to stack the deck, pops.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: altoona, 3/16/2013 7:26:59 AM     (No. 9227734)

Or does someone have photos/videos? Pardon my cynicism, but maybe this isn´t just about his son.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: cheese, 3/16/2013 7:27:09 AM     (No. 9227735)

His son is 21 years old and Portman only found out "recently" that the kid is gay? HOGWASH, the kid didn´t "turn" gay, he´s been gay all of his life and daddy is too stupid or too much of a liar to admit he´s known this since his son was a little boy.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: gerty, 3/16/2013 7:30:31 AM     (No. 9227740)

This is really off topic--but, remotely related.

Maybe that´s one of the reasons priests in the Roman Catholic Church are not allowed to get married. Sometimes emotions and family fidelity can get in the way of clear thinking.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: planetgeo, 3/16/2013 7:50:12 AM     (No. 9227768)

Apparently, becoming a Senator requires one to turn in one´s logic gene.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 3/16/2013 8:09:12 AM     (No. 9227789)

#7 hit it squarely on the head. I am so sick of being played for a fool by these fools.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 3/16/2013 8:29:55 AM     (No. 9227825)

Shouldn´t that be an epoophany?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: snapper451, 3/16/2013 8:37:31 AM     (No. 9227835)

This has to be the reason he was not picked for VP - they knew this would come out. A close family member of ours is gay but that does not change how we feel about him but it also does not change our view on gay marriage. Civil unions for the purposes of benefits, hospital visitation, etc. fine but marriage is between a man and woman, as God defined.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 3/16/2013 8:46:35 AM     (No. 9227851)

Get the government out of rewarding or punishing various relationships, and this issue goes away the very next day.

I have a gay child and their union with their partner has brought about THREE wonderful grandchildren for us. Not in the usual way, of course, but they carry my name, just not my DNA.

Oh, by the way, she´s conservative to the core.

If the government wasn´t involved in playing favorites with people or companies, many other problems like political corruption would go away as well.

If you want "traditional" marriage, read the history books. For much of history, traditional marriage involved polygamy.

Throughout history, gays have made up around 3% of every society, except for Islamic ones where they will likely be beheaded for admitting it.

As my daughter once told me: "Do you think I would have chosen this for my life with all we have to endure? It´s far easier to be straight."

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Reply 14 - Posted by: BeatleJeff, 3/16/2013 8:54:06 AM     (No. 9227861)

Spineless

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 3/16/2013 9:14:23 AM     (No. 9227897)

I´m sick of being told that I´m a hater because I don´t agree with gay marriage. It was bad enough when liberals did it. Just because I don´t want gay marriage doesn´t mean I hate gay people. The Republican party is going to lose a lot of social conservative votes over this. Why wouldn´t a social conservative believe that Republicans will cave on abortion next?

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Reply 16 - Posted by: fobo, 3/16/2013 9:17:25 AM     (No. 9227902)

I think OP nails it. Nobody really cares what consenting adults do with each other in private, but I chafe at calling these relationships a marriage and I´m surely not alone. As, I think, Hillary Clinton, of all folks, once said, "words mean things."

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Reply 17 - Posted by: tennisbum, 3/16/2013 9:21:08 AM     (No. 9227906)

Portman´s moral foundation is built firmly with sand! Just amazing. What could be the next revelation from Portman....just wait.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Boneshaker, 3/16/2013 9:22:33 AM     (No. 9227908)

So, it turns out that not only is Portman a smarmy, self righteous prig.

He´s a gullible, smarmy, self righteous prig.
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Reply 19 - Posted by: JAN, 3/16/2013 9:26:24 AM     (No. 9227912)

Glad he wasn´t the veep choice. He creeped me out every time I saw him on TV.

That said, we cannot be intellectually honest in condemning him without remembering Vice President Cheney´s stand that the states have the right to choose whether gays should marry.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Dallasobg, 3/16/2013 9:36:58 AM     (No. 9227928)

Thank you, #13, for your post. I have so many wonderful gay friends and it hurts me to see such hateful comments here.

Several of them are conservative and are harshly criticized for belonging to a party which turns its´ back on gays (see CPAC).

Bless you, #13, and Rob Portman, Dick Chaney, Newt Gingrich, and all the others who have gay family members who deserve their love and support.



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Reply 21 - Posted by: noproblems, 3/16/2013 9:38:02 AM     (No. 9227930)

#13, there is a relationship between morality and the laws passed by our reprentatives.


Libertarians beleive in nothing other than self-interest.

by your logic polygamy should be legal, as well as marrying your horse.



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Reply 22 - Posted by: coldborezero, 3/16/2013 9:47:57 AM     (No. 9227946)

Re#13: So, you believe that your daughter and her "partner" are joined in Holy Matrimony in the eyes of God? I suppose that would be true if your god is the State.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Belle, 3/16/2013 9:50:57 AM     (No. 9227954)

I think the GOP should think long and hard about assuming all conservatives oppose gay marriage. I think there are many fiscal conservatives who think personal actions - as long as not illegal are not our business. Many know gay people and want them treated kindly. I think the GOP should come up with a platform supporting civil unions or marriage but stating religious organizations who don´t want them don´t have to perform them. Hard core opposition and vitriolic views alienate a big segment. We should be a big tent. This issue plays in the hands of liberals. We need to get pas it and recognize there are many different views on this issue.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: msjena, 3/16/2013 10:09:58 AM     (No. 9227989)

After the civil union law passed in Illinois, adoption agencies that declined to evaluate prospective gay foster parents on religious grounds had their contracts terminated by the state. There is also a push for gay marriage in Illinois, despite the civil union law.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 3/16/2013 10:16:37 AM     (No. 9228007)

One can love a child without agreeing with their life-style. Not an equivalent, but mothers visit their children in jail, no matter what reason they are in there for.
They don´t condone the crime, but still love the child.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: shurnuff, 3/16/2013 10:38:30 AM     (No. 9228042)

I certainly agree with #13 about this:

Get the government out of rewarding or punishing various relationships, and this issue goes away the very next day.


This is the stance our conservatives should take going into elections. It was solely because democrats purposefully inserted the then-non-issue of birth control at the first debate that cost us the election.
Dems played their game well... it was a pure briar patch moment; and those conservatives running for office just kept fumbling the ball, answering questions that were not relevant to that election and should not have been asked.

If our side took that position and stood by it firmly, it would be a totally different ballgame.


#13´s statement is so simple that it could be a game changer.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 3/16/2013 10:44:03 AM     (No. 9228051)

#22 you are reading WAY too much into my post. I said nothing of the sort. What the heck is Holy Matrimony in the eyes of God? That´s not how they define their relationship.

If someone wants to "marry" their horse, I´m fine with that. It´s simply not the government´s role to play favorites with our tax monies. She believes the same thing.

I don´t care if it´s with banks, car companies, "green" energy, or "marriage".

She and her parner are great, tax-paying citizens raising great kids. They pay their bills, and live quiet, respectful lives. They are loved by their coworkers, neighbors and friends.

If you don´t want to "recognize" their relationship in the eyes of your church, fine, but don´t presume to speak for God. Wife and I are Christian, and we always see a red flag when someone loves to speak for God.





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Reply 28 - Posted by: St. Pitbull, 3/16/2013 10:51:18 AM     (No. 9228064)

I know of few conservatives who have problems with gay people. I know of lots of liberals that do, though. Ask a black person on the street. But marriage - no. There are tons of practical reasons to oppose, just read Ann Coulter´s column from a couple of years ago. And contrary to what lots of people say - there are a large percentage of gays who are gay by choice (they are not really gay - they just subscribe to the gay life style). Just ask any gay person.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: kono, 3/16/2013 10:55:11 AM     (No. 9228073)

Discovering that a relative of yours (even an immediate relative) doesn´t have the power to make real something that´s not. Relationships between same-sex couples are NOT just like man-woman relationships. So legislating that the two be affirmed as the same is legislating a lie.

Reality doesn´t conform to our desire or our will. Relativism is a form of dementia.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: J F Ackerman, 3/16/2013 10:59:09 AM     (No. 9228082)

Rob Portman´s son´s "happiness" comes before... ? Yet another politician for whom there are no limits.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: kono, 3/16/2013 11:00:23 AM     (No. 9228085)

(sorry -- premature end of remark)

If we´re going to pass a law that says gay marriage is the same as traditional marriage, let´s legislate, too, that from now on, oranges are apples. (And let´s dismiss every disagreement as ´bigoted´ and every person opposing it as ´hateful´.)

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Reply 32 - Posted by: msjena, 3/16/2013 11:09:56 AM     (No. 9228103)

#27--shouldn´t the government want to encourage traditional marriages? We are already in a crisis state as to traditional marriage, with the high divorce rate and having children out of wedlock. The social costs are enormous. Taking away the marital deduction or other benefits would drive the nail in the coffin. The government should to more to encourage (note: I said encourage, not mandate) traditional marriage, not less.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: DocH, 3/16/2013 11:10:27 AM     (No. 9228106)

No. 28 says he and his wife are Christians who always see red when someone purports to speak for God.

Guess that doesn´t include them, though, because they seem pretty certain what the Bible says doesn´t count, and who could have told them that except God? (Unless it was some other spirit.)

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 3/16/2013 11:31:57 AM     (No. 9228134)

Persnally, #28, we use Scripture to measure ourselves, and not measure others.

I don´t know what God thinks of my child´s relationship. That between her and Him. He made her. She talks to Him.

I don´t presume to quote Scriptures and then use that to control or demean the lives of others.

Please point out where I say I am determining what "counts" acording to God. Pro tip: Don´t bother. I never stated that.



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Reply 35 - Posted by: fritzilou, 3/16/2013 11:51:03 AM     (No. 9228158)

First princiiples are the same under all circumstances. One member of one family who deviates from first principles should not be cause to change what is. We should tolerate differences, while adhering to what is.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: fritzilou, 3/16/2013 11:53:41 AM     (No. 9228164)

First principles should not be adjusted for individual members of society. Stability is based upon adherence to a moral order; outside of that order we exhibit tolerance and love.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: coldborezero, 3/16/2013 11:59:41 AM     (No. 9228173)

Re#28: I certainly would not presume to speak for God. He has spoken for himself quite eloquently on the subject of homosexuality through the Scriptures. If one does not believe in the Christian Bible or believes and does not choose to adhere to what is there, it is no concern of mine. My position on homosexual "marriage" is the same as my position on most issues: the government should not be involved AT ALL. If two(or more) people want to live together and call it being married, I care not a whit. That is between them and God. They will stand before Him by and by. But by insisting that the government establish homosexual "marriage" by statute, it becomes a public issue and like any other public issue I will exercise my first amendment right to voice my opposition.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Harlowe, 3/16/2013 12:34:39 PM     (No. 9228216)

It is an American tragedy that so many people are being deceived by political correctness into disobeying God’s laws and readily accepting man’s laws that violate God’s laws. Abortion violates the Commandment of “Thou shalt not murder.” Government approval of gay marriage violates the very clear admonitions cited in Old and New Testaments about that lifestyle; Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were full of sin. Like nations throughout history that have lost their moral compass, America will reap what it has sown. God’s laws must, and should, prevail over man’s laws.

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Aubreyesque, 3/16/2013 1:02:45 PM     (No. 9228245)

#13 your daughter and her fellow stealer of other women´s babies can play whatever name games they want, they will. never. be. married.

You know why?

Because they aren´t STRAIGHT.

MARRIAGE is between a MAN and WOMAN...it is a BRIDGE, something that spans the gap between two genders, that creates a connection that no homosexual will EVER comprehend. EVER. What can they build if they are on the same side of the river?! Homosexuals will NEVER ´get´ the bond between a man and woman that is created in marriage because there will NEVER be that bridge.

But you know if it makes them and others FEEL GOOD to play word games, go ahead. Create lies. Everyone knows and thinks it anyway: gays will NEVER be MARRIED.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: bighambone, 3/16/2013 2:15:31 PM     (No. 9228361)

Clearly this supposed change of heart regarding same sex marriage came along because of a personal conflict of interest involving a family member. No more need be said about this particular wimpy Republican.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Belle, 3/16/2013 2:39:10 PM     (No. 9228396)

I like the idea of coming up with a simple statement to neutralize this issue - like what # 27 said. We can agree to disagree but as long as gays are law abiding and pay their taxes - if marriage is important to them then why not? I think they just want acceptance to live their lives and not be thought of as perverts when they didn´t choose it. Maybe once they discover the marriage penalty in the tax code they´ll help get rid of it. - Or pay more taxes with the rest of us. We have bigger issues and the media will use this issue to distract from them.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: Dallasobg, 3/16/2013 4:21:54 PM     (No. 9228499)

#13: Again, thank you for your post. I am a conservative and read and participate in this site every day. Sometimes I cringe at some of the things that are said. Many of the participants here really are racist, and homophobic ( I hate both of those terms) and reinforce the stereotype we get stuck with.

I wish some of you could just hear yourselves.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: PI65, 3/16/2013 5:45:08 PM     (No. 9228560)

I think we will never win another National election. There are just too many nutty people on our side.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: kono, 3/18/2013 9:10:50 AM     (No. 9230660)

Regarding hated terms, #43 -- Why are we not allowed by our elitist re-creators to disagree with the norming of homosexuality or to dislike the efforts to prioritize their feelings over reality and truth in the law, without being dismissed as simply being AFRAID of them or HATING them?

Nobody has the right or authority to tell me what I believe or what I´ve said. And those who presume to do that are essentially trying to provoke a physical altercation.

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It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?


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