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Rumor control: Did the Dept.
of Homeland Security recently
request to purchase 21,600,000
rounds of handgun ammo?

Daily Caller, by Mike Piccione

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Posted By:StormCnter, 2/27/2013 6:01:26 AM

On February 5, 2013 the Department of Homeland Security issued a “Solicitation/Contract/Order for Commercial Item” for ammunition to be purchased and delivered to the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico. The ammunition being purchased is “Commercial Lead Training Ammo” — or CLTA, in government speak. There are three components to the order: 1. .40 caliber, 165 grain jacketed hollow point rounds 2. 9mm, 115 grain jacketed hollow point rounds 3. 9mm, 124 grain ball ammunition

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Spidey, 2/27/2013 6:15:49 AM     (No. 9198364)

Obama´s latest action,banning ex service people from owning guns is a direct result of the idiots at the Southern Poverty Law center targeting returning vets as some sort of unorganized terror threat.

The far left phobics at the SPLC see every retuning vet as a possible Tim McVeigh.

Obama´s war on his imaginary enemies tramples on many tenant of the constitution which is losing the power of authority every day.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: steveW, 2/27/2013 6:17:05 AM     (No. 9198366)

One thing we can be sure of - Dear Leader has good intentions about this. Leftists always have the very, very, very best of intentions..

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Reply 3 - Posted by: miceal, 2/27/2013 6:23:05 AM     (No. 9198371)

Wonder what would happen if the ammo manufactures responded to the Fed´s like some of the gun manufactures? No thanks, we´ll sell to the civlian public.....

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Reply 4 - Posted by: mws50, 2/27/2013 6:31:18 AM     (No. 9198381)

If the federal government wanted to dry up the availability of common ammo for normal people, what would they do?

(Hint: see article)

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Rinktum, 2/27/2013 6:39:20 AM     (No. 9198394)

Who knows the truth anymore? We certainly can´t trust the media. They have lost all credibility. I do believe that Obama and his administration will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals whether it be a war on the Second Amendment or creating an atmosphere of fear. Americans believe it is better to be safe than sorry and that is why you are seeing them arm themselves. They fear their government.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: uno, 2/27/2013 6:48:15 AM     (No. 9198403)

#3 - they would just buy them from China. The fact that they don´t already lends credence to the explanation that they are simply trying to dry up the availability to the public while amassing a storehouse.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: mazeman, 2/27/2013 7:02:30 AM     (No. 9198420)

All I know is that *I* can´t find ammo. When even .22lr is nearly impossible to find, or going for 50 cents/round (yes, I´ve seen that price), something is amiss.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 2/27/2013 7:09:06 AM     (No. 9198430)

Sure, figures vary. And as another pioster said, no one knows the truth. But it cannot be denied that big government is engaged in an unprecedented ammunition stockpile. Platitudes cannot dismiss the truth.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: chumley, 2/27/2013 7:12:47 AM     (No. 9198436)

Assuming the article is correct, why is it the free people were so quick to believe the worst about this government? Maybe because the worst is what we usually get?
These communists have proven time and time again they will lie, cheat and destroy to meet their political ends. They even send trolls by the thousands to web sites to try and muddy the waters. They have no governing philosophy except that of power, and they have openly admitted power comes from the point of a gun. Is it any wonder only fools trust them?

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Reply 10 - Posted by: hagarmeister, 2/27/2013 7:18:07 AM     (No. 9198446)

Poster #8. Browse on over to www.cheaperthandirt.com
They seem to have most popular calibers available.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: antiquegolf, 2/27/2013 7:22:48 AM     (No. 9198453)

Sorry about reply 9. I cannot find my glasses.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: ole buzzard, 2/27/2013 7:33:32 AM     (No. 9198463)

Cheaperthandirt.com has ammo, but at wildly inflated prices. Six months ago, ammo for my .223 could be had for $400 for 1000 rounds. Today, it is $1,000 for the same amount. Same across the board for .40, .45, and 9mm. Don´t even think about getting .25, .32, .357 or .38. Its just not there. Even .30-30 rifle ammo is dried up.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Crosscut, 2/27/2013 7:34:19 AM     (No. 9198465)

DHS is up to something. Very fishy. They got the ammo, they got the assault weapons on order and are they now recruiting thugs for their internal military force who are willing to shoot down American citizens?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: 4freedom, 2/27/2013 7:57:58 AM     (No. 9198512)

So according to the article DHS having 240,000 employees and buying 240,000 of ammo gives them the equivalent of 1 round each for target practice. I can vision that, OK Jimmy brown shirt, here´s your 1 round for the range, make it count. Don´t forget to clean your piece afterwards.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Pros7767, 2/27/2013 8:01:52 AM     (No. 9198522)

Perhaps this should be part of the sequester budget cuts. The Feds have more than enough ammo already.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Blue-Z-Anna, 2/27/2013 8:06:25 AM     (No. 9198530)

240 THOUSAND employees ???

While this makes a fine and large denominator for the bullet equation, don´t we still have to demand to know what a quarter of a freakin´ million DHS goons DO all day.....every day ?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: ROLFnader, 2/27/2013 8:07:24 AM     (No. 9198533)

Is there not a rule governing spam on this site ? At the very least ,intermittent cut and paste. Yes, we know the definition of ´incompetent´.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Marcus Tullius, 2/27/2013 8:07:30 AM     (No. 9198534)

DHS employs 240,000 people?

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Reply 19 - Posted by: gaemerson, 2/27/2013 8:30:13 AM     (No. 9198563)

I just want to know if they ordered all the ammo before or after they decided to release all the illegal immagrants?

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Reply 20 - Posted by: pineledger, 2/27/2013 8:38:46 AM     (No. 9198579)

No wonder they will have to lay off TSA people. They´ve shot the budget elsewhere.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: LZK, 2/27/2013 8:41:19 AM     (No. 9198587)

Returning military personnel are well armed with knowledge and love of country....

These people -- as the "dear leader" has said -- are a threat to his regime....

Should a revolt happen -- armed military personnel with arms will be a major hurdle in the complete take over of the gooooooberment....

WE see what you are doing "dear leader".....

LZK

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Reply 22 - Posted by: pockets64, 2/27/2013 8:51:51 AM     (No. 9198604)

240,000 people, all needing to qualify with a weapon?

The Marine Corps, with active and reserve combined is about 240,000.

Is this BHO´s expressed desire for a civilian force equal to the military being realized?

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 2/27/2013 9:01:22 AM     (No. 9198619)

#22 - Returning veterans are not "well armed". The government doesn´t let you keep your firarms after you rotate back to the states or you leave the service. They have to buy their own guns like everyone else.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: William1, 2/27/2013 9:09:23 AM     (No. 9198631)

Ammo manufacturers would be wise to pass on the easy gov´t sales, and focus on their long-term and steady customers, who are we private gun owners. This won´t be forgotten.

I find it really amusing to think of DHS as being a threat. I´m sure that among the swollen payroll, there exist some people who could actually handle a firearm. But the vast bulk of these cretins are only proficient in pat-downs of the children or the elderly, with the abiding animus toward "The Man".

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Reply 25 - Posted by: MattMusson, 2/27/2013 9:22:53 AM     (No. 9198668)

Please remember that the COAST GUARD and Border Patrol are under the DOH. They have a legitimate need to purchase ammunition...

as do Citizens.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: Grambo, 2/27/2013 9:32:46 AM     (No. 9198684)

Will the massive purchase of handgun ammo be one of the programs suspended under sequestration? I don´t think so. The firefighters and policeman will be furloughed before the ammo grab stops. You´d have to be blind and dumb to not see what these people are up to.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 2/27/2013 9:33:31 AM     (No. 9198689)

Hollow-point ammunition is not right. It is outlawed under the Geneva Convention, so it can´t have military purpose, however, revision of the Posse Comitatus has been a game-changer there too. If they´re doing this it´s a liberal trick to drive a shortage and create an artificial price increase to discourage citizens from buying ammo. Unbeknownst to the Feds, a whole lot of ammo comes into this country from eastern Europe, and is cheap. Wait till they impose massive tariffs on that too. That´s when you´ll know the war on liberty is about to begin.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: F16 guy, 2/27/2013 9:52:33 AM     (No. 9198727)

What good is a gun if the gov´t deems it impossible to buy any, or too expensive to purchase?

This is gun control in sheep´s clothing.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Thos Weatherby, 2/27/2013 10:18:43 AM     (No. 9198775)

Hollow point shells are a great target bullet. Good for hunting squirrels too. They´ll get great use using those target sheets of pregnant women and regular looking folks wearing John Deere hats. As our Government assembles over 2.5 Billion pieces of ammunition, and it´s not a rumor, so groups like the Homeland Security, EPA, IRS and the Department of Education masses an arsenal larger than any other group. the ´why´ was eloquently spelled out at survivalbasictraining.com Does the Government know something they´re not telling us about?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: Liberal like Jefferson, 2/27/2013 10:38:58 AM     (No. 9198829)

I use hollow-points for defensive ammo. It´s a safety issue. They are not as likely to speed through the target and injure a bystander or family member.

They are designed to take care of the threat with less opportunity for collateral damage.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: mollyb0122, 2/27/2013 10:42:18 AM     (No. 9198837)

My brother-in-law is a part time cop in Columbus, Ohio and tried o by hollow point shells this weekend, and was told they have been bought up by the government. The Akron talk radio station near where I live, has they been busy all week with people calling in and saying they cannot find this ammo anywhere. Coincidence?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: sliver of truth, 2/27/2013 10:44:49 AM     (No. 9198846)

Can´t find a way to get rid of the guns? Next step-just get rid of the ammo, or make it nearly impossible to find or buy.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Persecutor2, 2/27/2013 11:04:11 AM     (No. 9198910)

I´m getting the feeling that a large number of posters didn´t read the article, just the headline (I know, I do it myself occasionally--and it´s a mistake).

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Reply 34 - Posted by: RancherJack, 2/27/2013 11:04:49 AM     (No. 9198913)

Longshanks - "We´ll bredd them out."

Obama - "We´ll buy them out of ammo."

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Reply 35 - Posted by: melanie, 2/27/2013 11:09:00 AM     (No. 9198926)

I still want to know why ammo for my .38 special is so hard to find. It hardly qualifies as an artillery piece.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: weejun, 2/27/2013 11:39:50 AM     (No. 9199018)

Roger that, #35. Come on, guys: read the article before posting. #37, the answer is simple: every time the feds start talking about gun control, us gun owners panic (and I am not necessarily condemning that) and start scarfing up every pistol, rifle and round of ammo in sight for fear that we will be banned from owning the stuff. As the econ 101 law of supply and demand says, "me got, you want." Thus, the price of an AR-15 has tripled; ammo of ALL types has dried up, and what is left (especially .223) is triple the price. I would like to say this is temporary, but I am afraid the assault on the 2nd amendment has more steam behind it this time than four years ago when Obammi and his minions raised the ugly specter of gun control. Hang tough, and keep your powder dry.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: tatterdemalion, 2/27/2013 12:27:59 PM     (No. 9199125)

Does anyone think that the Feds would be forthcoming on FOIA requests on ammo procurements?

In other words, will any ammo companies stand up and refuse to sell ammo to the Feds

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Reply 38 - Posted by: jackburton, 2/27/2013 1:05:44 PM     (No. 9199200)

Good article and good checking. This is the kind of fact checking that all the reportage should include and, sad to say, some of the sources I use (e.g. IBD) didn´t do their work.

With that said, I´ve only every used ´hardball´ for putting holes in targets. Hollow point is more expensive and for use stopping really bad people.

So, why the purchase of that?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: dvc, 2/27/2013 1:26:00 PM     (No. 9199234)

The DHS ammo buy has been known to be reported in error by a factor of 1000 for some time. I have posted this here, as have others, nobody wants to listen, they want to believe in conspiracy.

The REAL cause of the ammo shortage is US. 6.5 million Federal background checks for gun purchases have happened (IIRC) in the last 3 months. Guns are being bought in anticipation of some draconian gun control restrictions. The same folks are buying ammo for their new guns and not 50 rounds, they are buying many hundreds and even thousands of rounds.

Existing gun owners are joining in, fear is causing a "run" on ammo and people that used to keep two 50 rd boxes of pistol ammo, now want 10 or 15 boxes. They system cannot surge to that level. Modern production processes are very highly tuned to "just in time" delivery of everything, which saves costs but means there is nearly zero slack in the system. There is very little raw materials or finished guns or ammo kept in warehouses. It flows through the system and when the demand surges this much, they cannot keep up.

WE are the problem, not a mysterious ammo buy by DHS. Time to take off the tinfoil hats and understand what is REALLY happening.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: PI65, 2/27/2013 1:57:38 PM     (No. 9199287)

#41 Thank you for your voice of reason. The tinfoil hat crowd always makes our side look like a bunch of nuts.
These crazies are not helpful to our side. Semper Fi

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Reply 41 - Posted by: Caveman, 2/27/2013 2:28:20 PM     (No. 9199348)

Wait until people start hoarding food. Then you will see how just-in-time works for real.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: zazu, 2/27/2013 3:25:27 PM     (No. 9199439)

#5 Thanks for clarifying the veterans issue.

#8 Everything is sold out due to hoarding by private citizens. This started after the election and really took off after Sandy Hook.

Don´t think of the gun and ammunition manuractures as these huge corporations that can turn on and off hyper production at a moments notice. For the most part they are smaller operations. They can expand along with a normal demand curve. The current situation is anything but normal.

You can´t even find reloading components such as brass, primers and bullets of any common caliber right now. The companies are cranking it out as fast as they can.

Hold on until this settles down and you can find all the .22 you want.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: vesicant, 2/27/2013 4:50:50 PM     (No. 9199589)

Almost two weeks ago, I looked at the RFP, came to the same conclusion, and posted the correct math right here on Lucianne. It amazes me how posters here can still go on saying things like "well, OK, our numbers were all wrong, but you can´t deny the government is stockpiling tremendous amounts of ammo." Hello? Do reason and logic and math mean nothing to conservatives? Is this some kind of campaign to drive the few remaining sane conservatives into the liberal camp out of sheer disgust with the stampeding herd?

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Reply 44 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 2/27/2013 6:12:24 PM     (No. 9199678)

Prices always rise when supplies go down however how many rounds were bought and stored away ( hoarding)before general fears created an ammo rush equal to gold fever.
One way to beat the feds is for every able citizen to join his/her state National Guard. Too old -- volunteer as support.
Those units exist to protect citizens from an outlaw federal identity and comprise a major force within the US military on a borrowed basis. #30 GOP States = great defiance

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Reply 45 - Posted by: lana720, 2/27/2013 6:24:03 PM     (No. 9199693)

Delivery of the 240,000 rounds can have a l-o-n-g lead time, right behind commercial orders.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: lonecoolman, 2/27/2013 7:49:51 PM     (No. 9199799)

You don´t use hollow point ammo for target practice!

Enough said.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/27/2013 7:54:35 PM     (No. 9199806)

A Border Patrol buddy of mine told me that they do in fact train with JHP, and are required to by law.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Dodge Boy, 2/27/2013 9:45:05 PM     (No. 9199943)

Last I heard, the ammo purchase is not a rumor anymore. But, 21 million rounds, for what? Fight the well-armed citizenry for the ultimate prize of the new Amerika?

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Reply 49 - Posted by: foxfire, 2/27/2013 9:45:46 PM     (No. 9199947)

43, NOT hoarding food is the irrational thing. It is smart to keep at least a few weeks worth on hand, more if you have space. It can get you through the rough spots.


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Reply 50 - Posted by: mikkins2, 2/27/2013 10:08:09 PM     (No. 9199991)

From the Washington Post, February 14,2013:

"Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department’s umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department’s training center last year.
The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government’s second largest criminal investigative agency.

ICE’s ammunition requests in the last year included:

—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition

—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds

—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract

—25,000 blank rounds

The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government’s bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets."
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-14/world/37094284_1_ammunition-requests-hollow-point-bullets-law-enforcement

As you can see, the issue is deliberately being clouded to discredit Palin. The is no mention of the redacted purchasing order from 2012 either in the article.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: rsgonner, 2/27/2013 10:46:52 PM     (No. 9200069)

Harpers Ferry

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Reply 52 - Posted by: dvc, 2/27/2013 11:23:23 PM     (No. 9200103)

#52, those numbers are not accurate.

The Post wouldn´t know 1000 from 1,000,000 and never cares about facts.

Amazing how people refuse to use their brains and would rather run in circles and scream and shout.

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Ben Carson: White House wanted
apology for ‘offending’ Obama

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Daily Caller, by Alex Pappas    Original Article
Posted By: StormCnter- 4/15/2014 5:22:51 AM     Post Reply
Neurosurgeon Ben Carson says the White House wanted him to apologize for “offending” President Obama after he famously delivered a conservative message at the National Prayer Breakfast last year. Carson, the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, recalls the events surrounding his 2013 speech in his new book, One Nation: What We Can All Do To Save America’s Future. The Daily Caller obtained an advance copy of the book, which is set for release May 20. “He did not appear to be hostile or angry,” Carson writes of Obama, “but within a matter of minutes after the conclusion of

Obama Generation Losing
Interest in Obama

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Wall Street Journal, by James Freeman    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/14/2014 4:23:09 PM     Post Reply
President Obama inspired a generation of young people to support his historic election in 2008. And in 2012, despite the struggles of his first term, Mr. Obama still managed to win the support of a full 60% of voters age 18-29. But the man who once dreamed of being a transformative leader in the Reagan mold is inspiring few of those young people to follow his lead. "For all the talk about the movement that elected Mr. Obama, the more notable movement of Obama supporters has been away from politics. It appears that few of the young people who voted

Why You Should Be Sympathetic
Toward Cliven Bundy

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Powerline, by John Hinderaker    Original Article
Posted By: Toledo- 4/15/2014 8:40:58 AM     Post Reply
On Saturday, I wrote about the standoff at Bundy Ranch. That post drew a remarkable amount of traffic, even though, as I wrote then, I had not quite decided what to make of the story. Since then, I have continued to study the facts and have drawn some conclusions. Here they are. First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. The Bureau of Land Management has been charging him grazing fees since the early 1990s, which he has refused to pay. Further, BLM has issued orders limiting the area on which Bundy’s cows can

Megyn Kelly and the
Sandberg Head Shaker

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American Thinker, by Richard F. Miniter    Original Article
Posted By: magnante- 4/15/2014 9:16:05 AM     Post Reply
Megyn Kelly’s "Kelly File" is a great news show. She’s incisive, informed and customarily handles the toughest guest with aplomb. But her lengthy interview of Facebook C.O.O. Sheryl Sandberg about her second book in the Lean In series Lean In: For Graduates was a head shaker. Amazing that she of all people allowed Sandberg to restring the same old, same old, shamed, and shopworn feminist myths about women and girls and then jangle it in front of her viewing audience like something new out of the box. Indeed Kelly all but genuflected in front of this woman. Kept her on thru

Glaring limits of the Civil Rights
Act: We need to redistribute wealth

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Salon Magazine, by Matt Bruenig    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/14/2014 7:20:41 PM     Post Reply
Although the Civil Rights Act, the landmark legislation which just reached its 50th anniversary, made great strides in desegregating the economy, economic discrimination is still widespread, and anti-discrimination legislation alone can never rectify the economic damage inflicted upon blacks by slavery and our Jim Crow apartheid regime. The Civil Rights Act was a mild reform, all things considered, but one conservatives fought with vigor and one many conservatives are still bitter about to this day. When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, the primary purpose was to root out discrimination in public accommodations (like hotels and movie theaters)

White babies just 15 months old show racial
bias when picking playmates, study found

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Daily Mail (U.K.), by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/15/2014 10:23:35 PM     Post Reply
Toddlers show racial bias when picking playmates, a study reveals. They also take account of how fairly others behave. Researchers tested the reaction of white 15-month-olds as toys were distributed. Two white adults divided the toys, one equally and the other unequally. Seventy per cent of the toddlers chose to play with the researcher who distributed the toys fairly. But in a second test, when one researcher favoured a white recipient over an Asian one, they picked the ‘fair’ researcher less often, the journal Frontiers in Psychology reports. And the babies are more likely to help those who share the same ethnicity, which is known as

Biden Tells Boston Bombing
Survivors, ´It Was Worth It´ (Video)

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Breitbart´s Instablog, by Debra Heine    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/15/2014 9:28:18 PM     Post Reply
Less than a minute into his speech at the Boston marathon bombing memorial on Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden went tragically off script and told the crowd of Boston bombing survivors that "it was worth it." After expressing how impressed he was with the tribute, he said somberly, "let me say to those ´quote survivors,´ my God, you have survived and you have soared. It was worth it. I mean this sincerely - just to hear each of you speak. You´re truly, truly inspiring." The audience sat in stunned silence until Biden declared, "I´ve never heard anything so beautiful than


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