On February 5, 2013 the Department of Homeland Security issued a “Solicitation/Contract/Order for Commercial Item” for ammunition to be purchased and delivered to the DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico. The ammunition being purchased is “Commercial Lead Training Ammo” — or CLTA, in government speak. There are three components to the order: 1. .40 caliber, 165 grain jacketed hollow point rounds 2. 9mm, 115 grain jacketed hollow point rounds 3. 9mm, 124 grain ball ammunition
This is what happens when people believe the wildest things they read instead of taking it with a grain of salt and going back to the source. Someone miscalculated the DHS RFP, then one person after another took up just the erroneous headline and ran with it.
Similarly, the administration did not ban returning veterans from owning guns! Rather, the VA pointed out that those deemed incompetent (meaning having a guardian appointed) could not purchase weapons. Well, hello! Persons who go through the judicial system to have a guardian appointed lost the legal right to contract. Thus, they cannot enter into any contracts, including those to purchase weapons. No surprise there.
Why would someone need a guardian appointed? Those with certain brain dysfunctions or injuries may require a guardian to handle their affairs. But standard information concerning guardianship has been picked up as an attack on veterans. Not so.
Who knows the truth anymore? We certainly can´t trust the media. They have lost all credibility. I do believe that Obama and his administration will do whatever it takes to achieve their goals whether it be a war on the Second Amendment or creating an atmosphere of fear. Americans believe it is better to be safe than sorry and that is why you are seeing them arm themselves. They fear their government.
#3 - they would just buy them from China. The fact that they don´t already lends credence to the explanation that they are simply trying to dry up the availability to the public while amassing a storehouse.
Sure, figures vary. And as another pioster said, no one knows the truth. But it cannot be denied that big government is engaged in an unprecedented ammunition stockpile. Platitudes cannot dismiss the truth.
Assuming the article is correct, why is it the free people were so quick to believe the worst about this government? Maybe because the worst is what we usually get? These communists have proven time and time again they will lie, cheat and destroy to meet their political ends. They even send trolls by the thousands to web sites to try and muddy the waters. They have no governing philosophy except that of power, and they have openly admitted power comes from the point of a gun. Is it any wonder only fools trust them?
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ole buzzard, 2/27/2013 7:33:32 AM (No. 9198463)
Cheaperthandirt.com has ammo, but at wildly inflated prices. Six months ago, ammo for my .223 could be had for $400 for 1000 rounds. Today, it is $1,000 for the same amount. Same across the board for .40, .45, and 9mm. Don´t even think about getting .25, .32, .357 or .38. Its just not there. Even .30-30 rifle ammo is dried up.
DHS is up to something. Very fishy. They got the ammo, they got the assault weapons on order and are they now recruiting thugs for their internal military force who are willing to shoot down American citizens?
So according to the article DHS having 240,000 employees and buying 240,000 of ammo gives them the equivalent of 1 round each for target practice. I can vision that, OK Jimmy brown shirt, here´s your 1 round for the range, make it count. Don´t forget to clean your piece afterwards.
#22 - Returning veterans are not "well armed". The government doesn´t let you keep your firarms after you rotate back to the states or you leave the service. They have to buy their own guns like everyone else.
Ammo manufacturers would be wise to pass on the easy gov´t sales, and focus on their long-term and steady customers, who are we private gun owners. This won´t be forgotten.
I find it really amusing to think of DHS as being a threat. I´m sure that among the swollen payroll, there exist some people who could actually handle a firearm. But the vast bulk of these cretins are only proficient in pat-downs of the children or the elderly, with the abiding animus toward "The Man".
Will the massive purchase of handgun ammo be one of the programs suspended under sequestration? I don´t think so. The firefighters and policeman will be furloughed before the ammo grab stops. You´d have to be blind and dumb to not see what these people are up to.
Hollow-point ammunition is not right. It is outlawed under the Geneva Convention, so it can´t have military purpose, however, revision of the Posse Comitatus has been a game-changer there too. If they´re doing this it´s a liberal trick to drive a shortage and create an artificial price increase to discourage citizens from buying ammo. Unbeknownst to the Feds, a whole lot of ammo comes into this country from eastern Europe, and is cheap. Wait till they impose massive tariffs on that too. That´s when you´ll know the war on liberty is about to begin.
Hollow point shells are a great target bullet. Good for hunting squirrels too. They´ll get great use using those target sheets of pregnant women and regular looking folks wearing John Deere hats. As our Government assembles over 2.5 Billion pieces of ammunition, and it´s not a rumor, so groups like the Homeland Security, EPA, IRS and the Department of Education masses an arsenal larger than any other group. the ´why´ was eloquently spelled out at survivalbasictraining.com Does the Government know something they´re not telling us about?
My brother-in-law is a part time cop in Columbus, Ohio and tried o by hollow point shells this weekend, and was told they have been bought up by the government. The Akron talk radio station near where I live, has they been busy all week with people calling in and saying they cannot find this ammo anywhere. Coincidence?
Roger that, #35. Come on, guys: read the article before posting. #37, the answer is simple: every time the feds start talking about gun control, us gun owners panic (and I am not necessarily condemning that) and start scarfing up every pistol, rifle and round of ammo in sight for fear that we will be banned from owning the stuff. As the econ 101 law of supply and demand says, "me got, you want." Thus, the price of an AR-15 has tripled; ammo of ALL types has dried up, and what is left (especially .223) is triple the price. I would like to say this is temporary, but I am afraid the assault on the 2nd amendment has more steam behind it this time than four years ago when Obammi and his minions raised the ugly specter of gun control. Hang tough, and keep your powder dry.
The DHS ammo buy has been known to be reported in error by a factor of 1000 for some time. I have posted this here, as have others, nobody wants to listen, they want to believe in conspiracy.
The REAL cause of the ammo shortage is US. 6.5 million Federal background checks for gun purchases have happened (IIRC) in the last 3 months. Guns are being bought in anticipation of some draconian gun control restrictions. The same folks are buying ammo for their new guns and not 50 rounds, they are buying many hundreds and even thousands of rounds.
Existing gun owners are joining in, fear is causing a "run" on ammo and people that used to keep two 50 rd boxes of pistol ammo, now want 10 or 15 boxes. They system cannot surge to that level. Modern production processes are very highly tuned to "just in time" delivery of everything, which saves costs but means there is nearly zero slack in the system. There is very little raw materials or finished guns or ammo kept in warehouses. It flows through the system and when the demand surges this much, they cannot keep up.
WE are the problem, not a mysterious ammo buy by DHS. Time to take off the tinfoil hats and understand what is REALLY happening.
#8 Everything is sold out due to hoarding by private citizens. This started after the election and really took off after Sandy Hook.
Don´t think of the gun and ammunition manuractures as these huge corporations that can turn on and off hyper production at a moments notice. For the most part they are smaller operations. They can expand along with a normal demand curve. The current situation is anything but normal.
You can´t even find reloading components such as brass, primers and bullets of any common caliber right now. The companies are cranking it out as fast as they can.
Hold on until this settles down and you can find all the .22 you want.
Almost two weeks ago, I looked at the RFP, came to the same conclusion, and posted the correct math right here on Lucianne. It amazes me how posters here can still go on saying things like "well, OK, our numbers were all wrong, but you can´t deny the government is stockpiling tremendous amounts of ammo." Hello? Do reason and logic and math mean nothing to conservatives? Is this some kind of campaign to drive the few remaining sane conservatives into the liberal camp out of sheer disgust with the stampeding herd?
Prices always rise when supplies go down however how many rounds were bought and stored away ( hoarding)before general fears created an ammo rush equal to gold fever. One way to beat the feds is for every able citizen to join his/her state National Guard. Too old -- volunteer as support. Those units exist to protect citizens from an outlaw federal identity and comprise a major force within the US military on a borrowed basis. #30 GOP States = great defiance
"Dixon said one of the contracts would allow Homeland Security to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years for its training facilities. The rounds are used for basic and advanced law enforcement training for federal law enforcement agencies under the department’s umbrella. The facilities also offer firearms training to tens of thousands of federal law enforcement officers. More than 90 federal agencies and 70,000 agents and officers used the department’s training center last year. The rest of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition would be purchased by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal government’s second largest criminal investigative agency.
ICE’s ammunition requests in the last year included:
—450 million rounds of .40-caliber duty ammunition
—40 million rounds of rifle ammunition a year for as many as five years, for a total bullet-buy of 200 million rounds
—176,000 rifle rounds on a separate contract
—25,000 blank rounds
The Homeland Security ammo buy is not the first time the government’s bullets purchases have sparked concerns on the Internet. The same thing happened last year when the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was buying 174,000 hollow point bullets." http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-14/world/37094284_1_ammunition-requests-hollow-point-bullets-law-enforcement
As you can see, the issue is deliberately being clouded to discredit Palin. The is no mention of the redacted purchasing order from 2012 either in the article.
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