On one level, there were not too many surprises in the newly disclosed “white paper” offering a legal reasoning behind the claim that President Obama has the power to order the killing of American citizens who are believed to be part of Al Qaeda. We knew Mr. Obama and his lawyers believed he has that power under the Constitution and federal law. We also knew that he utterly rejects the idea that Congress or the courts have any right to review such a decision in advance, or even after the fact.
Comments: The Times had to insert George W. Bush, but he never ordered something like this.
dear NY slimes, your chickens are coming home to roost, you created this monster and I hope he eats the ones that built him before he comes after the rest of us who are trying to expose him for what he is, the exact opposite of the fairy tale you obtuse media cronies created.
Initially I had no problem with taking Al Awaki out by drone. Of course I assumed there was ample evidence to support that he was a terrorist and dangerous to the US interests.
However, this rationale terrifies me. There are no standards necessary to justify the action. No evidence required to support murdering an American citizen, just a baseball card for our dear leader. Under this policy, he can decide to take out anyone he wants. Scary.
How convenient. No more will ATF agents have to wait for a tank to ram firebombs through a window to get rid of Americans deemed to be troublesome like they did in Waco. Now some faceless beaurocrat can decide you´re a threat, and bam, you´re gone.
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#5, the EPA already has surveillance drones above the midwest, targeting farmers. No one knows how many drones, what data they are collecting, etc. http://latham.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=299185
Liberal trick: Dumb down the definition of "citizen" to be anything that slinks across the border, or with ideological desires to overthrow the Constitution and establish a caliphate, thereby making "citizens" in the US and abroad criminal, and guilty until proven innocent. Never mind that the ATF/FBI/DOJ are constantly hitting the wrong house in a raid.
Wow, after reading the comments after the editorial, all those liberal, smart, enlightened NYT readers have changed their minds about the use of force against terrorists. Now they seem to think that it´s all right and the ALCU should butt out of obama´s business. What an amazing turnaround.
A terrorist is a terrorist, no matter where he is from. If he is threatening the lives of Americans, he has waived ´´due process.´´
Police snipers (and other law enforcement types) kill Americans all the time when they threaten hostages in a shopping mall, or elsewhere. Heck, even a private citizen can kill a person who is threatening the life of another person. An American who threatens the lives of other innocent Americans, by joining or actively supporting terrorists, deserves to die at the earliest possible moment.
Am I just paranoid? ...because all of this makes me think twice about communicating via email with likeminded conservatives...also about posting to sites like this one, which I love by the way. Helps me keep my sanity.
Bogus claim: It had the air of a legal justification written after the fact for a policy decision that had already been made, and it brought back unwelcome memories of memos written for President George W. Bush to justify illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention, kidnapping, abuse and torture.
Bush would get legal opinions before making decisions. He would then inform Congress according to law. When information was leaked to the press, they would disagree with the decisions. But Bush followed the law. Obama doesn´t bother to get legal opinions up front. When forced, he will have someone craft an opinion after the fact. These nearly always sloppy and ill thought out.
And just wait until Obama´s "Superdrone" video game expands its activities from foreign soil to U.S. territory, and its target list from Al Qaeda terrorists to "domestic terrorists", like say, the Tea Party, hmmmm? I know, I know, paranoia -- it will never happen.
The horse has already left the barn. He has all the essential ingredients for complete domination; the media, academia, no opposing political party to speak of, and an overwhelmingly ignorant and apathetic population. He is now unstoppable, and he knows it!
Obama´s only mistake was not allowing the NYT to get in on the drafting of the document; then they´d be okay with it, but not being part of the decision causes them to wonder if they aren´t at the table of power like they thought they´d be. It´s a pure power discussion with liberals, nothing to do with constitutional questions.
Refresher course: From the Washington Times, 2009 "Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S".
There is a big distinction between requiring prior legislative briefings and/or civilian judicial approval of targeted killing of Americans engaged in overseas combat operations against the U.S., and requiring after-action reviews.
A mandatory after-action review of every targeted killing of an American enemy combatant is appropriate and should be written into law immediately. However, it would be a serious national security mistake to treat overseas American enemy combatants as domestic criminals.
In situations where domestic criminals pose an immediate threat to innocent life, the legal authority to use lethal force can range from a citizen acting in self-defense, to cop on the scene or a law-enforcement SWAT commander.
There are very good reasons why enemy combatants are treated differently from domestic criminals. Enemy combatants—U.S. citizens or not—engaged in or planning violent acts against the U.S. itself outside its borders are committing extraterritorial acts of war. For this reason, the authority to use lethal force ultimately resides in our Commander-in-Chief—whoever may be in office at the time.
If extraterritorial American enemy combatants are given immunity from lethal strikes without prior due process in civilian courts, we should expect a continuous flow of damaging national security leaks and a dramatic rise in the recruitment of American citizens for foreign operations by organizations like al-Qaeda.
None of you can tell anyone what to do now. It is over. We are never going to have freedom again. We will forevermore be a socialist country. We will have someone telling us how we live, how we eat, how we dress, what we drive, and on and on, and there is nothing we can do about it.
For the life of me I just don´t understand. According to the President and his Justice Department, the foreign planners and executors of the 9.11 attacks should not be rushed to judgement but should enjoy the same defense court privileges reserved for American citizens but American citizens accused of encouraging similar acts aren´t entitled to the same court privileges but rather should be ´eliminated´. It´s not that I believe that American citizens threatening to do us harm should not be dealt with harshly, it´s just that I can´t grasp the rationale of the President making distinctions between terrorists and granting foreign terrorists greater protections.
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