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To Kill an American
New York Times, by Editorial

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Posted By:Pluperfect, 2/6/2013 5:53:15 AM

On one level, there were not too many surprises in the newly disclosed “white paper” offering a legal reasoning behind the claim that President Obama has the power to order the killing of American citizens who are believed to be part of Al Qaeda. We knew Mr. Obama and his lawyers believed he has that power under the Constitution and federal law. We also knew that he utterly rejects the idea that Congress or the courts have any right to review such a decision in advance, or even after the fact.

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The Times had to insert George W. Bush, but he never ordered something like this.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: 3XALADY, 2/6/2013 6:17:55 AM     (No. 9161039)

Where are conservatives and Christians on his list?

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Reply 2 - Posted by: WhamDBambam, 2/6/2013 6:42:40 AM     (No. 9161059)

Darn shame if someone felt the same about him.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: right-turn, 2/6/2013 6:52:20 AM     (No. 9161069)

Any doubts about how Obama thinks he is the emperor. No stinking constitution will stand in his way. Laws are what he decides they will be.

The worst president in history!!!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: Wetlandz, 2/6/2013 6:53:44 AM     (No. 9161070)

dear NY slimes, your chickens are coming home to roost, you created this monster and I hope he eats the ones that built him before he comes after the rest of us who are trying to expose him for what he is, the exact opposite of the fairy tale you obtuse media cronies created.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Hank Reardon, 2/6/2013 6:54:29 AM     (No. 9161071)

Wait until they start picking off farmers and ranchers and other folks they deem "dangerous."

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Reply 6 - Posted by: FunOne, 2/6/2013 7:22:44 AM     (No. 9161100)

Every day, Obama looks more like Robert Mugabe, and America looks more like Zimbabwe.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: turninggrey, 2/6/2013 7:25:42 AM     (No. 9161104)

By the way, THIS is why the founding fathers were so adamant about the second amendment. It is not about hunting or home protection. It is about stopping tyranny.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Arby, 2/6/2013 7:30:39 AM     (No. 9161110)

What goeth aroundeth cometh aroundeth. You bought him; you own him.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Pros7767, 2/6/2013 7:33:14 AM     (No. 9161113)

Initially I had no problem with taking Al Awaki out by drone. Of course I assumed there was ample evidence to support that he was a terrorist and dangerous to the US interests.

However, this rationale terrifies me. There are no standards necessary to justify the action. No evidence required to support murdering an American citizen, just a baseball card for our dear leader. Under this policy, he can decide to take out anyone he wants. Scary.


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Reply 10 - Posted by: Chuzzles, 2/6/2013 7:37:41 AM     (No. 9161121)

If you really want a scare, read the Ulsterman Report link posted earlier today. Absolutely chilling behaviour from this President.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: rustycfc, 2/6/2013 7:41:10 AM     (No. 9161125)

like that old saying,you get what you pay for.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: troutgreen, 2/6/2013 7:48:19 AM     (No. 9161141)

How convenient. No more will ATF agents have to wait for a tank to ram firebombs through a window to get rid of Americans deemed to be troublesome like they did in Waco. Now some faceless beaurocrat can decide you´re a threat, and bam, you´re gone.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Grace Veritas, 2/6/2013 7:53:49 AM     (No. 9161160)

Most chilling aspect for the NYTimes? It reminds them, a little, of Bush. 2nd paragraph.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: BirdsNest, 2/6/2013 7:54:00 AM     (No. 9161162)

Bourne Legacy starring Jeremy Renner.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: NYBruin, 2/6/2013 7:54:17 AM     (No. 9161163)

I guess this means the Times editorial board are a bunch of racists. . .

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Reply 16 - Posted by: Rusino, 2/6/2013 8:02:26 AM     (No. 9161188)

The Emporer has Spoken. Will his subjects ever notice he wears no clothes?

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Reply 17 - Posted by: Rusino, 2/6/2013 8:04:45 AM     (No. 9161193)

What difference does it make anyway?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: Fiesta del sol, 2/6/2013 8:17:23 AM     (No. 9161220)

#5, the EPA already has surveillance drones above the midwest, targeting farmers. No one knows how many drones, what data they are collecting, etc.
http://latham.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=299185

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Judith, 2/6/2013 8:17:51 AM     (No. 9161221)

Sulzberger has a loooong history (vietnam period)of wishing American´s killed. And indicating he would be willing to assist in that goal.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: saucy, 2/6/2013 8:42:16 AM     (No. 9161277)

Crimes and misdemeanors = IMPEACHMENT

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 2/6/2013 8:45:00 AM     (No. 9161285)

Liberal trick: Dumb down the definition of "citizen" to be anything that slinks across the border, or with ideological desires to overthrow the Constitution and establish a caliphate, thereby making "citizens" in the US and abroad criminal, and guilty until proven innocent.
Never mind that the ATF/FBI/DOJ are constantly hitting the wrong house in a raid.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Conesold, 2/6/2013 9:02:40 AM     (No. 9161325)

Does this do away with a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

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Reply 23 - Posted by: dbdiva, 2/6/2013 9:09:43 AM     (No. 9161351)

I can imagine that at some point the right to kill an “informed, high-level official” will morph into the right to kill that "pesky Christian on Elm Street"

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Reply 24 - Posted by: smsnod, 2/6/2013 9:13:05 AM     (No. 9161363)

Wow, after reading the comments after the editorial, all those liberal, smart, enlightened NYT readers have changed their minds about the use of force against terrorists. Now they seem to think that it´s all right and the ALCU should butt out of obama´s business. What an amazing turnaround.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: John318, 2/6/2013 9:21:03 AM     (No. 9161381)

Good Bye America- it´s just a matter of time now. "You reap what you sow"

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Reply 26 - Posted by: dolphin, 2/6/2013 9:28:47 AM     (No. 9161398)

If someone joins an army that is intent upon destroying this country, why is he still a citizen?

Ditto #23. This DOES open us all up to being on some emperor´s hit list.

This is the foundation for something else quite larger and more sinister.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: Layne´s Soapbox, 2/6/2013 9:42:28 AM     (No. 9161426)

Someone woke up and smelled the coffee.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Hotrod, 2/6/2013 9:54:15 AM     (No. 9161457)

A terrorist is a terrorist, no matter where he is from. If he is threatening the lives of Americans, he has waived ´´due process.´´

Police snipers (and other law enforcement types) kill Americans all the time when they threaten hostages in a shopping mall, or elsewhere. Heck, even a private citizen can kill a person who is threatening the life of another person. An American who threatens the lives of other innocent Americans, by joining or actively supporting terrorists, deserves to die at the earliest possible moment.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: lil dotty, 2/6/2013 9:56:41 AM     (No. 9161459)

#2 many do, but he is only kenyan, not American-- so ´ya can´t touch this´

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Reply 30 - Posted by: AWAKE, 2/6/2013 9:56:55 AM     (No. 9161460)

#26 Yuo´re right. And remember Big Sis and all her talk about domestic threats from extreme right wing groups. Let´s take em out to remove the threat.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: RealityChick, 2/6/2013 10:03:30 AM     (No. 9161483)

Am I just paranoid? ...because all of this makes me think twice about communicating via email with likeminded conservatives...also about posting to sites like this one, which I love by the way. Helps me keep my sanity.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: oh-heck, 2/6/2013 10:04:11 AM     (No. 9161486)

Bogus claim: It had the air of a legal justification written after the fact for a policy decision that had already been made, and it brought back unwelcome memories of memos written for President George W. Bush to justify illegal wiretapping, indefinite detention, kidnapping, abuse and torture.

Bush would get legal opinions before making decisions. He would then inform Congress according to law. When information was leaked to the press, they would disagree with the decisions. But Bush followed the law. Obama doesn´t bother to get legal opinions up front. When forced, he will have someone craft an opinion after the fact. These nearly always sloppy and ill thought out.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 2/6/2013 10:34:29 AM     (No. 9161591)

And just wait until Obama´s "Superdrone" video game expands its activities from foreign soil to U.S. territory, and its target list from Al Qaeda terrorists to "domestic terrorists", like say, the Tea Party, hmmmm? I know, I know, paranoia -- it will never happen.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: gator, 2/6/2013 11:01:34 AM     (No. 9161674)

The horse has already left the barn. He has all the essential ingredients for complete domination; the media, academia, no opposing political party to speak of, and an overwhelmingly ignorant and apathetic population. He is now unstoppable, and he knows it!

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Reply 35 - Posted by: Felixcat, 2/6/2013 11:03:10 AM     (No. 9161680)

So the government cannot "torture" aka waterboard foreign national terorists but okey dokey to kill American citizens with drone attacks.





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Reply 36 - Posted by: nonsense, 2/6/2013 11:15:24 AM     (No. 9161717)

Do you suppose Fox News is on the "kill" list? Peace Prize King gone awry.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: drbulb, 2/6/2013 11:16:31 AM     (No. 9161719)

I certainly hope that no one in say, North Korea decides that Øbama is a "threat to their security"...

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Reply 38 - Posted by: vwlarry, 2/6/2013 11:17:34 AM     (No. 9161722)

All Ldotters should see the movie "Minority Report".

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Reply 39 - Posted by: ida Lou Pino, 2/6/2013 11:18:28 AM     (No. 9161728)

The NYT is fully outraged!

In fact - - they might even add a second "tut" to the first one they just uttered - - making it a full "tut-tut" - - a sign of unbridled fury not known anywhere this side of Hell.

I´ve heard that their Style section may not even review Moochelle´s next haircut - - that´s how outraged they are!

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Reply 40 - Posted by: previouslyon24, 2/6/2013 11:19:35 AM     (No. 9161731)

Obama´s only mistake was not allowing the NYT to get in on the drafting of the document; then they´d be okay with it, but not being part of the decision causes them to wonder if they aren´t at the table of power like they thought they´d be. It´s a pure power discussion with liberals, nothing to do with constitutional questions.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: 6079 Smith, W, 2/6/2013 11:28:03 AM     (No. 9161754)

So, in their minds, an American can be killed without due process, but an enemy MUST have due process.

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Reply 42 - Posted by: texsupreme, 2/6/2013 12:00:40 PM     (No. 9161833)

# 28, totally misses the point IMHO. The issue here has nothing to do with the bad guys.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: knarfski, 2/6/2013 12:18:49 PM     (No. 9161888)

Agree with #42 (except for "nothing").

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Reply 44 - Posted by: merrijane, 2/6/2013 12:32:42 PM     (No. 9161918)

Funny how the NYT commenters have suddenly become so hawkish.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 2/6/2013 2:40:47 PM     (No. 9162143)

So, just now the liberals are starting understand this guy we have as our President is a fiend? Shame on those blind idiots. Lowinfo types are very disturbing.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: steveracer, 2/6/2013 2:50:20 PM     (No. 9162165)

Might there be a connection albeit paranoid between limiting the right of a citizen to have a gun and legitimizing the government´s right to kill that citizen with a drone?

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Reply 47 - Posted by: kennedylaw, 2/6/2013 3:10:09 PM     (No. 9162202)

It is perfectly o.k. for the President to order the assassination of U.S. citizens just whatever you do don´t waterboard terrorists for information.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: Japanorama, 2/6/2013 3:34:39 PM     (No. 9162258)

Democrats care nothing about the American Constitution.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: rc1776, 2/6/2013 3:45:15 PM     (No. 9162278)

If De al Qaeda residenial wh bogus curtsying bleached bath house queen Ø´blo the blamer could it would change all Americans to desert camel jockies.

Ala Akbar Yaw´all

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Reply 50 - Posted by: Coy860, 2/6/2013 3:50:16 PM     (No. 9162289)

Refresher course: From the Washington Times, 2009
"Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S".



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Reply 51 - Posted by: msjena, 2/6/2013 3:53:11 PM     (No. 9162293)

Well, we all know that wiretapping the phones of suspected terrorists abroad who are US is citizens is much worse than killing them--right?

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Reply 52 - Posted by: donnaclaire, 2/6/2013 4:19:16 PM     (No. 9162332)

I´m likely already on the list - conservative.......tea party believer....... Republican supporter/voter......Obama criticizer.

The leftists and dunderheads who put him in office will go along with this super idea, and enjoy it, till they do something he really, really doesn´t like and they´ll be on the list too.

Everything´s just peachy, isn´t it, with this wonderful man as our ´boss´ - as Chris Rock calls him?



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Reply 53 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/6/2013 4:20:03 PM     (No. 9162336)

Their definition of "terrorist" will no doubt evolve over the next few years, as will the geographical areas where these hits will be permissible.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: jkcinsalem, 2/6/2013 4:52:16 PM     (No. 9162387)

As easy as BO takes people out with drones, it sort of makes you doubt he had trouble ordering the hit on OBL. The storyline that he did, doesn´t make sense.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: Italiano, 2/6/2013 5:04:47 PM     (No. 9162406)

All I know is, if Valerie Jarrett´s deadbeat tenants in Chicago start getting mysteriously whacked from above, I´m going to be very suspicious.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: johngalt1, 2/6/2013 8:13:39 PM     (No. 9162626)

There is a big distinction between requiring prior legislative briefings and/or civilian judicial approval of targeted killing of Americans engaged in overseas combat operations against the U.S., and requiring after-action reviews.

A mandatory after-action review of every targeted killing of an American enemy combatant is appropriate and should be written into law immediately. However, it would be a serious national security mistake to treat overseas American enemy combatants as domestic criminals.

In situations where domestic criminals pose an immediate threat to innocent life, the legal authority to use lethal force can range from a citizen acting in self-defense, to cop on the scene or a law-enforcement SWAT commander.

There are very good reasons why enemy combatants are treated differently from domestic criminals. Enemy combatants—U.S. citizens or not—engaged in or planning violent acts against the U.S. itself outside its borders are committing extraterritorial acts of war. For this reason, the authority to use lethal force ultimately resides in our Commander-in-Chief—whoever may be in office at the time.

If extraterritorial American enemy combatants are given immunity from lethal strikes without prior due process in civilian courts, we should expect a continuous flow of damaging national security leaks and a dramatic rise in the recruitment of American citizens for foreign operations by organizations like al-Qaeda.


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Reply 57 - Posted by: Pinons, 2/6/2013 9:29:59 PM     (No. 9162691)

Obozo either does not lift a finger and watches Americans die before his very eyes (Benghazi) or he wants to kill them. Crazy Kenyan!

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Reply 58 - Posted by: artlover, 2/6/2013 10:18:37 PM     (No. 9162756)

None of you can tell anyone what to do now. It is over. We are never going to have freedom again. We will forevermore be a socialist country. We will have someone telling us how we live, how we eat, how we dress, what we drive, and on and on, and there is nothing we can do about it.

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Reply 59 - Posted by: Tianne, 2/6/2013 10:51:39 PM     (No. 9162788)

For the life of me I just don´t understand. According to the President and his Justice Department, the foreign planners and executors of the 9.11 attacks should not be rushed to judgement but should enjoy the same defense court privileges reserved for American citizens but American citizens accused of encouraging similar acts aren´t entitled to the same court privileges but rather should be ´eliminated´. It´s not that I believe that American citizens threatening to do us harm should not be dealt with harshly, it´s just that I can´t grasp the rationale of the President making distinctions between terrorists and granting foreign terrorists greater protections.

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Casual marijuana use may come with some not-so-casual side effects. For the first time ever, researchers at Northwestern University have analyzed the relationship between casual use of marijuana and brain changes – and found that young adults who used cannabis just once or twice a week showed significant abnormalities in two important brain structures. The study’s findings, to be published Wednesday in the Journal of Neuroscience, are similar to those of past research linking chronic, long-term marijuana use with mental illness and changes in brain development. Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior study author, said he was inspired to look at the effects of casual

Which Actor Portrays The
Best James Bond?

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American Spectator, by Jonah Goldberg and Taki Theodoracopulos    Original Article
Posted By: Drive- 4/16/2014 11:20:22 AM     Post Reply
Look, everyone loves Sean Connery, particularly Sean Connery. That’s why he plays Sean Connery in every movie he’s in. People love that Scottish brogue so much, they don’t mind that he has it when he plays Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, an immortal Spaniard in Highlander. The guy even won an Oscar for playing an Irish cop with a Scottish accent. Talk about sexist double standards: Meryl Streep has to master foreign dialects to get her golden statuettes. Connery just has to show up on time. In economics you devalue a currency by printing too much of it. In film you

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
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When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

Why is US Senator Harry
Reid so concerned with
a local Nevada rancher?

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Fox News, by Wayne Allyn Root    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:37:12 PM     Post Reply
I live in Las Vegas. I live and breath Nevada politics. Something is very wrong. Something smells rotten in the Nevada desert. And Senator Harry Reid’s fingerprints are all over it. I am of course referring to the Bundy Ranch siege. This was a dispute between a Nevada ranching family with rights to the land in question for 140 years and the BLM (Bureayu of Land Management). The government claims they haven’t paid grazing fees for 20 years. The result was a government assault on the ranch- including snipers with assault rifles, SUV’s, helicopters, airplanes and over 200 heavily armed troops. No

Elizabeth Warren whines about coverage
of her fraudulent Indian claim

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Daily Caller, by Patrick Howley    Original Article
Posted By: KarenJ1- 4/16/2014 9:54:52 PM     Post Reply
Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren wrote in her forthcoming book that she was “hurt” and “angry” by 2012 reporting on her fraudulent claim to Native American heritage. “What really threw me, though, were the constant attacks from the other side,” Warren wrote in her book “A Fighting Chance.” “I would almost persuade myself that I was starting to get the hang of full-throttle campaigning and then — bam! Out of left field, the state Republican Party, or the Brown campaign, or some blogger, would launch a rocket at me,” Warren wrote, adding, ”I was stunned by the attacks.” This reporter (blogger?) reported extensively


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