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Minnesota´s Snowbird Tax
Wall Street Journal, by Editorial

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Posted By:tocsin, 2/1/2013 11:47:22 AM

You may have heard it can get cold in Minnesota in January, or for that matter in April. Last week the temperature dropped to seven below zero in the Twin Cities, which is one reason many Midwesterners head to Florida or Arizona for the winter. But now Governor Mark Dayton wants to tax the snowbirds even if they are no longer legally state residents. "There is a snowbird tax—absolutely," the Democratic Governor told reporters the other day. "It´s one of the unfairnesses that somebody can spend six months and one day out of the state

Fly little snowbird. There are States which do not act as crime lords demanding their ´´street tax.´´


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Jonr, 2/1/2013 11:51:05 AM     (No. 9152495)

A perfect way to drive people out of your state governor. You are truly a fool.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: john56, 2/1/2013 11:52:17 AM     (No. 9152497)

Sounds like a lot of snowbirds will only be coming back for brief visits to the grandkids and funerals for the folks who didn´t leave.

A snowbird friend of mine from Wisconsin who spent his winters in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas (and moved his residency here, since Texas has no state income tax) told me the joke that when somebody in Iowa dies in the winter, they have to call their friends in Texas to come back as pallbearers.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: JimS, 2/1/2013 11:55:01 AM     (No. 9152503)

No sympathy from me. Minnesota is a solid blue state, with Dems in control of all 3 branches of state government.
Even if you are a part time resident of Minn, chances are you are a Dem.

So we have a Dem government screwing over Dem citizens. Works for me. Tax ´em more.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: shepsmum, 2/1/2013 12:24:38 PM     (No. 9152565)

#3 is on to something. Many of these snowbirds aren´t willing to pay their "fair share" -- what´s up with that? They vote for the policies and expect others to pay....oh, right. They´re Dems.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Keekng, 2/1/2013 12:25:36 PM     (No. 9152567)

You go for it guv´na, then watch the economy go into the toilet as people sell their cottages and abandon your state year round.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Garage Logician, 2/1/2013 12:28:57 PM     (No. 9152574)

There are lots of Republicans and libertarians in Minnesota. Just not enough of them.

This google-eyed twelve-stepping nutcase governor can run the table with his DFL House and Senae. They´ll continue to chase the productive and the wealthy out of the state. And if they extend sales tax to clothing, they kill the Mall of America and the shopping tourism it generates. Idiots.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: lakerman1, 2/1/2013 12:31:11 PM     (No. 9152577)

This would be an interesting subject for a court test.
I have a dim recollection of California, a few decades ago, trying to impose income taxes on people who retired and moved away from California. If my memory serves me, the legal theory advanced by california was that since the individuals earned pension credits while employed in the state, their pensions should be subject to california income taxes.
California lost in court.
Dayton was a lousy senator, so they make him governor. How about voter logic on that?
In addition, it would take a huge bureaucracy to try to enforce the income tax as proposed. But that would mean more democrat votes, right?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Time4AR2, 2/1/2013 12:32:39 PM     (No. 9152580)

How to turn snowbirds into no-birds, in one easy lesson.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Feebie, 2/1/2013 12:44:14 PM     (No. 9152593)

Brought to you by the imbeciles that don´t understand economies and human nature.

Retail sales, restaurants and small businesses will suffer without those "snow bird dollars".

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Reply 10 - Posted by: Charactercounts, 2/1/2013 12:49:55 PM     (No. 9152602)

#6, sales taxes (8.875%) on almost everything haven´t killed off shopping tourism in New York City.

I do believe the snowbirds will permanently migrate south, however, if the governor succeeds with a snowbird tax.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: TruckingMack, 2/1/2013 12:56:42 PM     (No. 9152618)

Democrats everywhere - please, please, please raise taxes to the highest levels you can concieve. Conservatives everywhere will be rewarded for your efforts.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Rafter, 2/1/2013 1:17:32 PM     (No. 9152658)

That´s cold.

Minnesota is cold already.
And their guber wants it to get even colder.

Good luck with that one.
Texas has been in the 70´s and 80´s for weeks now.
Guess what´ll happen?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: AltaD, 2/1/2013 1:19:41 PM     (No. 9152661)

#6 is right about the impact on malls in MN. Our Dakota relatives do most of their back-to-school shopping at The Mall of America because there´s no sales tax on clothes. They stay overnight in MN, eat out, treat the kids to all the rides in the mall, etc. If there´s a tax on clothing, they might as well shop at home or Amazon.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: msjena, 2/1/2013 1:30:34 PM     (No. 9152675)

They will just move to Florida or Texas permanently.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Heraclitus, 2/1/2013 1:40:40 PM     (No. 9152690)

#3 and others, i, too, am feeling a wee bit of schadenfreude... Well, to be honest, quite a bit of schadenfreude. ha ha ha

My FL sister begs and pleads for these Demmies to either stay home or LEAVE off their stupid leftist/tax-tax-and-tax some more habits up north. We here in NH wish MA lefties would stay in MA for the same reason.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: old north state, 2/1/2013 1:41:15 PM     (No. 9152691)

I confess to knowing little about Minnesota, but who are the people in the state who keep voting for Democrats? Farmers are usually practical people who see through collectivist BS. Does the state have a huge dependent class? Does Minneapolis St. Paul overwhelm the rest of the population? I know thereis a tradition of supporting the old farm-labor party, but come on, we already abolished the gold standard.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: woodenleg, 2/1/2013 1:42:45 PM     (No. 9152692)

Prediction:.....Summer homes in Minnesota will become very cheap over the next couple of years.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: bpl40, 2/1/2013 1:51:10 PM     (No. 9152708)

As you vote, so shall you reap. The Northern Blue States are going to get meaner and meaner in the treatment of those who avoid to pay. You can always vote with your feet.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Blackeagle, 2/1/2013 1:58:56 PM     (No. 9152717)

Never understood this six months and a day nonsense. If you want to live in a no-income-tax state, move, and stay there. I believe that some conservative states like Alabama already have you base your income tax liability on the number of months that you are in residence there. Seems fair enough.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: WinMag, 2/1/2013 2:12:56 PM     (No. 9152738)

They move down here and then they vote for the idiots the made the policies that chased them out of their Blue states.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: M Stuart, 2/1/2013 2:23:30 PM     (No. 9152754)

I hope this stupid governor wakes up and keeps his people at home. The dufus snowbirds are ruining the South.

They are arrogant and keep voting for the same type of lefties that they ran away from.

Don´t you love it when people move in and then try to tell YOU how to live?

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Reply 22 - Posted by: right-turn, 2/1/2013 2:52:43 PM     (No. 9152790)

Want to start a real confrontation? Snowbirds who come to sunny Florida then proceed to tell us ´that´s not the way we do it back home´.
Best not to say that to certain red necks.

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Chief1942, 2/1/2013 3:06:00 PM     (No. 9152814)

As a resident of Arizona, we see the migration every year based on the seasonal changes. See as many Minnesota plates as those of any other. Local businesses surely like it as they create standing room only in resturants during their stay here. I am uncertain as to how the state views them regarding their state tax obligation, but since anybody who can own two homes in states that are so far apart along with paying for the gas to drive between the two, qualifies as "rich" in my book. And we know most Democrats really support taxing all the "rich" folks. Decision time for a lot of Liberals.

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Reply 24 - Posted by: vesicant, 2/1/2013 4:30:49 PM     (No. 9152909)

"One of the unfairnesses"? What, is there a catechism? Stations of the leftie cross we bear?

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Reply 25 - Posted by: 4Justice, 2/1/2013 4:44:22 PM     (No. 9152926)

#21, but that is what happened to MY state of California. A bunch of lefties (mostly from New England and other states Back East moved to California in masses and droves over the past 45 years and then they destroyed our state. The first thing they did was tell us what to do and force us to live by their ways. Now the state is ruined and a lot of the richer lefties are moving out. Lefties always soil their nest and then move on...

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Reply 26 - Posted by: escaped commieny, 2/1/2013 4:59:15 PM     (No. 9152946)

agree Justice, even skunks won´t stink their home, not so leftists.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: birddog, 2/1/2013 5:02:57 PM     (No. 9152951)

Expect more "Claw-back" at the Estate level too. NY taxes the entire estate if any part of it is in NY. I see a flood of "gifting" soon to arrive on those second homes...coupled with "management Companies" based in low/no tax states being written up as Owners. Current owners will just visit and "Rent", plus deduct the business expense, mail forwarding will make enforcement even tougher. Try declaring every "Motorhome" built in Minnesota taxable as a resident too.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: lotsamojo, 2/1/2013 5:55:04 PM     (No. 9153052)

Humm . . seems to fit a mold in the northern, socialist states . . a trust fund brat, a Yale grad, a 100% Afl-CIO rating . . . he will do a lot to scare out a lot of high earning taxpayers, Texas and the south will be the south´s gain, for sure!

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Reply 29 - Posted by: BigGeorgeTX, 2/1/2013 6:00:26 PM     (No. 9153062)

Ultimately, people get the government they deserve. When principles are compromised to attain power, you ultimately have neither.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: stymie82, 2/1/2013 6:56:09 PM     (No. 9153119)

Anna Wintour famously said that the chubby Native Minnesotans "look like little houses". Perhaps in addition to the snowbird tax, they should be subject to an additional real estate tax for all the cubic feet they occupy.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Coy860, 2/1/2013 7:08:23 PM     (No. 9153138)

#13. the answer is farm subsidies, can we say ethanol ?
Also, many in the State are Swedes, and socialism must be in the genes.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Trigger2, 2/2/2013 4:48:37 AM     (No. 9153615)

If you taxed snowbirds in my county and they all moved out to income tax free FL, you´d wipe out the bulk of the county population. But then, this is NY, just as dumb as IL, MN, NJ, MA, & CA.

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