Washington -President Barack Obama says gun-control advocates should be better listeners in the debate over firearms in America. In an interview with The New Republic, Obama says he has "a profound respect" for the tradition of hunting that dates back for generations. "And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake. Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas," he says. (Snip) The president says it´s understandable that people are protective of their family traditions
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Mr. Hanky, 1/27/2013 10:00:32 AM (No. 9142073)
I think gun grabbers need to think more and use emotional reactions less. They need to re-examine their policies which have made gun free cities some of the most dangerous out there...like Barry´s adopted home town of Chicago.
Here we go with revising historical facts once again. Hunting has been a matter of survival as well as a right of passage since the dawn of man, not just a few generations. His heinous wishes to make shooting look like a short lived fad that should soon pass. I really don´t like this guy at all.
AP, obama, gc advocates- listen c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y: I´ts not about hunting! It´s about protection from a-hats like you who are all about controll. 2nd amendment is to protect us from the tyranny you push on us daily. A side benefit is for protection from criminals- you know, the bad guys you continually neglect.
Memo to Obama: This isn´t about hunting. It´s about self-defense. And Sandy Hook wasn´t in an urban area, it was in the leafy suburbs, and the gun-owner mom was a country-hunter type from New Hampshire. One teacher with a pistol could have stopped that mentally ill maggot with a pop.
Right off the bat, Obama demonstrates he has no intention of listening even as he talks of listening. I think he´s getting it from Clinton, who took a drubbing in his midterm elections over an assault rifle ban. I hope it means he´s worried about 2014.
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The Other Guy, 1/27/2013 10:34:48 AM (No. 9142159)
Guns obviously have a variety of legitimate uses, self protection and hunting among them. All of the pro gun arguments that center on those uses, however, are of secondary importance because the constitution´s authors made no mention of them. Their only rationale was that citizens right to arms was to afford protection from a tyrannical government. When we rely on hunting, self defense, etc, that only leads to arguments about what is a reasonable magazine capacity, a reasonable rate of fire, a less scary appearance, etc. Emphasizing the core constitutional rationale makes those arguments moot.
Yeah - Obama is the leading authority on why gun owners own guns - tradition and hunting. Of course, all he is trying to do is begin "new" traditions inside America.
These people really do believe their own insanity. 1st they tell us that we are being paranoid and that nobody wants to take our guns. Next up - gun control legislation - yeah real unreal fears!
They told us during the Odumbocare debacle that there were no death panels (which we all knew there were) - and today they are just boldly putting the ´known´ truth out that if you don´t abide by their standards of "clean living" you will be left to die - probably won´t even give you a pain pill.
Of course, abortion is considered a very healthy lifestyle and will probably be rewarded.
I am so sick of that POS DICTATING to us day in and day out - WHERE IS OUR REPRESENTATION? Are we seriously going to have to take to the streets because I don´t see anyone on the Hill with the cajones to stop this.
Also, I am getting tired of republicans who I think are on our side slowly bending over. Saw a picture of Pete King from NY snapping a photo of JayZ and B at the Inauguaration. I understand the "star" factor and that he may have been taking the pic for a family member, but when I see something like that I begin to feel they are all in on it together to some degree. Big deal an ex-crack dealer and a lip syncher - maybe you could be investigating Obama´s tyranny in your spare time.
It is not about hunting. It is about the Constitution and the right to bear arms. Trying to reframe the debate to make it about hunting is either stupid or dishonest. It is often hard to tell with Obama which is the case.
When one views the gun control debate from the perspective of hunting, it is immediately obvious that semi-automatic weapons are superfluous and are therefore logically and easily outlawed. The same applies to many other firearms and accessories.
Does Obama know what he is doing? I have no idea. Sometimes he seems so completely clueless about the Constitution, American politics, the nature of representative government etc. that one wonders if he skipped the basic classes in school. Yet other times he comes across as manipulative, cunning and sinister. Perhaps it does not matter which is the case, so long as we do not fall for his rap.
The controversy over government control of firearms has nothing whatever to do with the tradition of hunting. It is about the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, and the relation of the citizens to their government.
..now 245 are dead in Brazil....stupidity is rampet...still no discussion of the cause..Mental Health and common sense.....stupidity is the grim reaper´s best friend.....guns aren`t the problem man is....
FTA: "...the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas".
In urban areas you need the appropriate gun to shoot two-legged varmints and in rural reas you need the appropriate gun to shoot four-legged varmints. If you travel a lot between the two venues, it´s probably best to have a variety of firearms.
I´ll finish his thought for him: "...so the people shouldn´t mind if we take away all of the guns that hold magazines and those that are les than four feet long because they don´t use those to hunt with anyway."
If these gun grabbing nazis would use simple statistics to make their case, they would just make it illegal for all black males under the age of 30 to own any kind of gun. That would make the biggest dent in the murder rate.
As I commented elsewhere, 0bama is deliberately manipulating the meaning of the Second Amendment by telling an obvious lie, because he is a serial liar and knows he can get away with misinforming a good percentage of our population. The Second Amendment is not about hunting, and he knows it. A tyrannical government is now baring its teeth and coming after YOU, Mr. and Mrs. Citizen.
I actually think 0bama is paranoid. Yes, paranoid. He is, I believe, extremely distrustful of the American people. We already know from the last four years that he cannot tolerate anyone disagreeing with him. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the description of a tyrant with very bad designs on We the People.
" Can Congress legally pass a law to restrict “rights”?
we need an understanding of “rights” and the role of government. You do not have a “constitutional right” to have a gun and the Second Amendment did not give you the right to bear arms.
"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Second Amendment.
This does not say the government, Constitution or this Amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms. The Second Amendment, just like others, does not bestow a right upon the people, but prohibits the government from infringing on your rights. Your “right” to keep and bear arms, to free speech, etc.; “shall not be infringed”!
The First Amendment begins “Congress shall make no law ...” This Amendment does not give the right to free speech, it prohibits the government from interfering in the rights we already had.
Neither the Constitution nor the government gave us these rights. Our rights preceded both the document and the government. The Constitution was written to establish a general government for a very few, specific reasons. The Bill of Rights was added making it clear the government did not have the power to restrict “rights.”
if our rights did not come from the government or the Bill of Rights, where did we get them? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...” (Declaration of Independence) Our “rights” come from God. They predate the Constitution and the government.
God gave us “unalienable” rights. This means that no one can take them; they are yours unless you relinquish them!
#The Declaration of Independence goes on to say, “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...” The government was formed by the people for the purpose of securing our rights.
#Our government has passed laws doing what they were forbidden to do. They took the rights that people gave up. The more rights we give away, the less liberty we enjoy.
#“A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” (John Adams)
#“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” (Ben Franklin)
#“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” (Samuel Adams)
#America sends our military to fight in other countries defending their liberty. Meanwhile, we have been asleep while our government has been stealing our liberty, bit-by-bit. As John Adams said, once we lose liberty, we will not get it back!
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
What a scold. However, observing his words and behavior over a period of time, I have come to the conclusion that while verbally he appears to be confident that his way is the only way; he is in fact a coward and would actually be taken aback if he were faced with some intractable Congressmen who would refuse to ´work with him´. None, save perhaps Rand Paul, even give him the slightest bit of true opposition.
Please, you so called conservative Representatives in Congress; Take off the gloves and tell him in no uncertain terms, NO! He needs to be confronted when he attempts rule by fiat. He would probably run crying to Michelle.
Why is there so much "government"? Everyday all of these idiots are out there thinking that they have to "do something" or say something or make some momentous pronouncement. WHY? Why don´t they just take a 9 month vacation every year. How much "government" do we really need or want? What would happen if all these idiots just went home for a year? Nothing, that´s what. Things would get better. Except for the military, police, fire dept. doctors, janitors and trash pick up and a few other people, do we really need all of our esteemed "leaders"? We´d be better off without all of their meddling. Shut up and go home. Don´t call me,.....I´ll call you.
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