Talking about whether the Republican party needs to broaden its appeal among minorities, former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice urged Republicans to pay more attention to immigration reform. “The Republican party certainly has to stop turning off large segments of the population,” Rice said on Face the Nation to laughter. “It’s not a strategy to keep hoping that parts of the population don’t turn out. You’ve got to simply broaden.” Immigration, Rice added, was the “big issue.”
Comments: If that wasn´t bad enough she goes on to say that when we "update civil-rights agenda we’ve got to think about how to educate the kids.” A good start would be to fire all the corrupt, incompetent union teachers.
Safe to expose your RINO hide now that you´re working for the media now, eh Condi?
Immigration isn´t an issue where the agencies are permitted to do their jobs - like JFK where they scrutinize Europeans and returning Americans.
Lawbreaking IS the issue i.e. our southern border that is crossed illegally every minute of every day. Should we forgive burglars, thieves, rapists, bank robbers, fraudsters, and pickpockets too in order to ´broaden our appeal?´
I believe it is wiser to take into account what she says and shape the message as best we can. The left and their MSM mouthpieces will always attempt to bend whatever the GOP comes up with into an anti-minority position but the more the GOP gets their vision out there, past the media, and into the minds of the public the more they will see the GOP as offering real ideas and alternatives.
Oh brother. Yesterday I read an Ldotter say Condi for pres. when she trashed Obama. Now she´s a RINO. How about actually reading her comments with unjaundiced eyes and ears before coming to any conclusion.
Well, disagree with her to noe point. The conservative message on immigration and ´´minorities´´ is warped and distorted by our enemies and folks on our own side. When you try to make the point of what you are trying to argue (lawfullness v. unlowfullness), you´re steamrolled by a deafening chorus of people calling you an intolerant racist.
Unfortunately, Rice seems to buy this, too. Is the policy wrong, or are our policies misrepresented?
#8, it is way too challenging for some to read the article, which only give snipets of her overall remarks, but at least conveys her praise of the Rubio plan...the same plan greeted favorably by many on this site judging from the quick search I did by entering his name in the Lucianne search engine...
#8 I did read her comments and responded accordingly. I resent your implication that I did not.
Surely you must know that expecting unanimity on any subject is a fool´s errand as attributing the thoughts of one poster to another.
In the story of Jonah, the sailors who rescued him were struck by terrible storms. Desperate and puzzled, they cast lots to determine their next move. So it is with the GOP who can´t understand why Dem-lite isn´t winning them elections and why their conservative base are fed up.
If we are jaundiced it´s because we are hearing the same rubbish on immigration from any and all in the GOP from consultants to candidates to Senators to ex-cabinet members.
We are not Japan. We are not Europe, although the current DC cabal is intent on pushing us in that direction.
Quoting anything Ted Kennedy might have said, done or proposed is prima facie evidence that Rice´s advice is unworthy of consideration.
Rice is right, of course. I´m sure she had to resist adding a "Well, duh!", because it so obvious that the GOP has to find a way to attract more voters. What´s not to like about what she said? There are too many knee-jerk responses on this thread.
Rice is not right. Who´s turning off large segments of the population? It´s the Left and statements by Rice and Powell that somehow the color of skin is the preferential standard by which the government bestows its laws and favors. If you´re standing on the premise 2+2=4, should you curry to those saying 2+2=5? All men are created equal. That´s the 2+2=4.
‘Has to Stop Turning Off Large Segments of the Population’
Doesn´t seem to have hurt the Democrats any.
Problem is, when we have a criminal in the house, we turn him or her out - with prejudice. When the Democrats have a criminal in the house, they bring him coffee and donuts. The media then rails against the Repub´s for even having a (comparatively rare) criminal in their ranks, yet praises the Dem´s for their compassion and inclusion.
Kind of hard to get your message past that sort of blatant favoritism on the part of the MSM. Fox is no longer much better - the ONLY way to effectively deal with this is through one or more Conservative ONLY networks. No more ´balanced´ or ´fair´ attempts because our more numerous and better funded opposition is neither.
Notice she referred to "segments" (plural) of the population, so she´s not just talking about immigration. Instead, she´s referring to the same strategy as the Democrats - pandering to groups. That´s fine if we wish to be a people who simply strive to provide all people with their individual or collective desires. Hey, it seems to work for the Democrats.
Her reference to education is just political swill. The problem with education in inner cities is not lack of effort, technique, money or approach. It is cultural. Nobody has sufficient intestinal fortitude to say that a culture has emerged that resists education - it is simply not a component of its ´value´ structure. But, in a PC, multi-cultural world, no remedy is forthcoming. The Dems know this, so their approach is not to try to fix the problem, but to cash in on the embedded cultural anger. Should we try to do the same?
If large segments of the population dont want to go to work every day. Don´t care about the responsibilities of freedom but care only for free stuff......then I say let them wallow in their own misery.
Those "without" will almost always vote for those politicians who promise to take from those "with" and give it to them. I believe that this is akin to the tyranny of the masses.
Republicans and conservatives, being the party of personal responsibility by and large believe that those "without" (and with no desire to ever earn a responsible paycheck) should not be given a vote that counts the same as theirs, who have come by their "with" through hard work and perseverance.
Ms. Rice´s argument is based on the biggest lie about the democrat party that is embedded in our culture today. That the republicans don´t do anything for Americans of different skin color while the democrats are so much more beneficial.
Let´s look at the results of 60 years of democrat policies on the black segment of the population: Most black childeren have no fathers, most drop out of high school, the highest crime and murder rates are in the black ghettos, which are nothing more than modern day slave plantations curtesy of the democrat party. Unemployment is far higher among the black and hispanic population. Talk instead about this democrat created disaster.
So don´t tell me Condi, that republicans have to stop turning off large segments of the population that the democrats have brainwashed into accepting slavery, dependency and no hope of ever living a productive and fulfilling life. Shame on you, I thought better of you but you are no different than all of the other greedy clowns in the media. FOR SHAME!
She is right and am heartened by comments on this site that agree. Folks want to condemn her as a RINO, sold out to CBS, etc. The simple fact of her point, is that if repupblicans want to be relevant, they need to appeal to the mainstream. It´s not enough for republicans to appeal to you alone. We´ve just gone through an election where Romney was terrible at articulating ideas and had been branded as supporting unpopular ideas. You might have supported his ideas, but if 50% or more of the country don´t agree with you, you get Obama. If republicans nominate an ´pro-life, anti-immigration, anti-gay-marriage, limiting safety net´ platform, they will loose again. They may be intellectually right, but they will loose. Republicans need to create stark differences between democrats, but they must pick positions that are popular. Forget about differentiating by choosing unpopular ideas. That´s all she´s saying. And, like it or not, she is right.
At Romney´s convention a parade of minority office holders and candidates enthusiastically told their stories. Unless you were watching CSpan you never saw any of those minorities. Each and every time one came out the cameras cut to talking heads. I know this because my son watched a public channel and he never saw any minority speakers. Until I told him he didn´t know there had been any. I know about them because I was watching CSpan which had no talking heads and just shot the action, all the action, as it was taking place.
A wonderful opportunity to reach minorities was missed, but how was that the fault of Republicans?
This is what we are up against in getting our message out. The minorities are not seeking us out. They don´t particularly want to hear from us. They think they already know. In addition, we can´t get to them.
Gee, so if we act like Democrats, are pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, stop reading and believing in the Bible, turn in all our guns, then, and only then, can we, the GOP, defeat the dems. Wow, why didn´t I think of that. You Moderates are so brilliant.
She is right for the most part. Yes, it is the left that has been lying about us for years and thus alienated people from the party. But we have done our own part too. I see a LOT of racist and bigoted comments even on this site where there USED TO be none (or very few). I know a lot of it is from people´s frustrations and is not real bigotry--but that is irrelevant. If people perceive it to be against them, it is. We have done a TERRIBLE job at reaching out to people of different races and backgrounds. We don´t go into their neighborhoods and listen to their concerns. Don´t tell me that we do. But the left does--even if it is just for lip service and to use it against the people. It is their PERCEPTION that the left cares. Battered woman syndrome "he loves me" "I may not be better off right now, but he really cares". We need to break that perception that we are the bad guys.
Condi is right that conservatives have to win enough of the vote to gain power and that the education system is becoming the civil rights issue of our time.
I went to a wedding this weekend for a young Hispanic couple. The groom´s family originated in Mexico, are here legally, are hard working, and have never taken any welfare payments. The bride´s family was from Central America and came here legally with the clothes on their back. The father has worked construction and done well enough to support a large family. There were a lot of young kids at the wedding reception. It all reminded me of my own family and I felt right at home. I´d guess that most of these people vote Democrat. They do not yet realize that they are natural conservatives. We need to persuade these people to vote the way they live their lives. I´m working on that.
How, Condi? How is the GOP not to be seen as declaring "war"? More food stamps than the Dems? Move free cell phones than the Dems? More welfare and unemployment payments than the Dems? Allow more illegal aliens than the Dems?
Any attempt at defending the Constitution will be viewed as "war" on "large segments." The future is ugly. Prepare for the worse.
I know wbat we need, more talking heads trashing the conservative base of the Republican party. That´s just what the Dems do, isn´t it? Trash their core voters? How can the party unify when the few public figures the Republicans have say this stuff? How about praising your party and being positive instead of giving an adversarial press sound bites they can use to trash us in headlines?
Yeah when you use plain talk in describing the RINO´s plan, they get all huffy-puffy and notice no spelling out what their strategy is. Just "lets appeal to minorities".Nothing about what made this country great. Most of their point are: Lets shut up Palin and people like her.
What political party does not want as many members and voters as possible?
What Ms. Rice advises is strategically sound. The devil is in the details. Just how do we go about attracting voters who are hostile to Republican values? Who do not want the U.S. border made secure or the flow of illegal immigrants stopped? Who believe in bigger government, more entitlements, more handouts, higher taxes, less individual freedom, identity politics, no voter ID to make sure those voting are eligible to vote etc. etc. etc.?
It would be simple to compromise on immigration if the will to compromise were there. Start by ramping up border security to stem the inflow of illegals - and THEN provide an expedited path to citizenship for selected illegals already here.
It would be equally simple to compromise on the Federal budget if the will to compromise were there: take meaningful steps to control government spending, and THEN look at raising taxes in selected cases.
Democrats have the cart before the horse and are unwilling to take the logical, necessary first step. They want open borders and uncontrolled government spending to continue, and they want to give citizenship to illegals and to raise taxes wherever they can.
If Ms. Rice has a solution to this conundrum, she will do us a favor by describing it.
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