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Topic: Bones of Contention: If the Skeleton
Is Richard III, Where to Bury It? |
Bones of Contention: If the Skeleton
Is Richard III, Where to Bury It?
Wall Street Journal, by Jenny Gross
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Posted By:MissMolly, 1/19/2013 6:19:20 AM
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| LEICESTER, England—Norma Benathan burst into tears the first time she laid eyes on the ruins of Penrith Castle, in northwest England. More than half a millennium before, her personal hero and the former king of England, Richard III, lived at the 14th century royal fortress before heading into battle. Now, Ms. Benathan, a retired clerk who lives in Lancaster, is heading into battle herself—over where recently unearthed bones that may be Richard´s should be buried. Richard, who reigned from 1483 to 1485, is a hot topic again. One of the most controversial English royals—described as a murderer by some;
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Reply 1 - Posted by:
right-turn, 1/19/2013 7:07:08 AM (No. 9125890)
Well .... nice to read something other than the usual stuff.
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Reply 2 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 1/19/2013 8:16:12 AM (No. 9125964)
I confess to being a Richard III supporter, the tudors were a bunch of thugs and historians back then were not encouraged, under penalty of death, to praise Richard at all. He was not the hunchback that is usually shown as fact. Interesting post!!
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Reply 3 - Posted by:
dadofboys, 1/19/2013 8:17:14 AM (No. 9125965)
This story fascinates me. Im a huge Shakespeare fan and this is gigantic. Its like finding Hamlet or King Lear or Caesar. Just wonderful!!
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Reply 4 - Posted by:
StormCnter, 1/19/2013 8:22:07 AM (No. 9125975)
Well, if Richard III didn´t off the little princes in the Tower, who did?
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Reply 5 - Posted by:
not so little nell, 1/19/2013 8:40:09 AM (No. 9126008)
Need you ask #4? The Black Adder, natch.
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Reply 6 - Posted by:
StormCnter, 1/19/2013 8:52:52 AM (No. 9126030)
Why didn´t I think of that, #5!
James Tyrrell confessed to it, but under torture, and he was a Richard III henchman anyway.
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Reply 7 - Posted by:
Quigley, 1/19/2013 8:53:00 AM (No. 9126031)
Well, as an enlightened leader he merely aborted the nephews.
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Reply 8 - Posted by:
rarebear, 1/19/2013 8:55:23 AM (No. 9126039)
Sharon Kay Penman weaves a wonderful story (meticulously researched and attributed) of Richard and the bloody struggle between the Yorkist and Lancastrians in her book The Sunne In Splendour. I highly recommend it and other Penman novels dealing with England´s medieval period. You´ll become infatuated with that period of English history and its litany of both valiant and ruthless ruling monarchs.
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Reply 9 - Posted by:
southron, 1/19/2013 8:57:32 AM (No. 9126046)
How the establishment of the period (Shakespeare, etc)portrayed Richard III as a villain to accommodate the Tudors presents an interesting analogy with our times. Today´s establishment (Spielberg, etc) portray Lincoln as a compassionate, noble leader who risked his career to free the slaves, etc. But a closer look at Lincoln´s view of blacks and what he actually did for them is quite different.
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Reply 10 - Posted by:
Not gonna take it anymore, 1/19/2013 9:26:01 AM (No. 9126135)
I finally found my book, "Daughter of Time" by Josephine Tey.
Her theory of the princes´ murder.
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Reply 11 - Posted by:
FLCracker, 1/19/2013 9:29:15 AM (No. 9126141)
His family ought to decide where he gets buried - that would be closest descendant and I don´t think that is the present royal family.
I think it was some guy living in Australia?
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Reply 12 - Posted by:
Alpha91c, 1/19/2013 9:32:32 AM (No. 9126151)
In order to show proper respect for one of England´s greatest kings, Richard should be reinterned in Westminster Abby. Richard III, was the G.W. Bush of his day. The Tudors blamed everything from the birth of two headed calfs, to crop failures on poor Richard.
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Reply 13 - Posted by:
ScarletPimpernel, 1/19/2013 10:15:43 AM (No. 9126260)
I remember seeing John Everett Millais´ painting of the Princes in the Tower in an old art book when I was about 6-7. It gave me the shivers. Many years later I visited the Tower of London.
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Reply 14 - Posted by:
angelesgift, 1/19/2013 10:38:08 AM (No. 9126309)
Cool read. I like learning history, but am only a true fan of Teddy Roosevelt. Don´t wear his picture "at all times", though. Sheesh!
It´s always interesting to observe one-issue loons when their feathers are ruffled.
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Reply 15 - Posted by:
katkenn, 1/19/2013 11:02:19 AM (No. 9126358)
We Speak No Treason by Rosemary Hawley Jarman is another very good (and meticulously researched) novel about Richard III.
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Reply 16 - Posted by:
dp1950, 1/19/2013 11:11:44 AM (No. 9126383)
Shakespeare portrays Richard III as a monster. I also believe that Shakespeare was the Harvey Weinstein of the Tudor era.
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Reply 17 - Posted by:
FLCracker, 1/19/2013 11:47:31 AM (No. 9126466)
William Shakespeare not only spent virtually his whole life living under a Tudor monarch, he was the product of a school system that taught the "partyline."
So, 1) he knew which side his bread was buttered on and 2) he probably didn´t know any better.
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Reply 18 - Posted by:
rosefenn, 1/19/2013 12:53:22 PM (No. 9126599)
Loyaulte me lie!
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Reply 19 - Posted by:
Bill the Cat, 1/19/2013 1:53:56 PM (No. 9126665)
#4, There is a reasonable probability that nobody did. Especially if Perkin Warbeck was indeed who he claimed to be. They simply disappeared from the historical record. Furthermore, if his nephews were a threat to him, then ALL of his nephews would have been a threat.
Therefore, he would have also have offed his other nephew, Edward Plantagenet, 17th Earl of Warwick. Turns out that Henry VII had him executed instead. So ask yourself, who did these nephews really threaten? Richard III, who legally obtained the throne, or Henry VII, who usurped the throne and then promptly killed the other Plantagents as soon as he (and his psychotic son Henry VIII) could get around to it.
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Reply 20 - Posted by:
Bill the Cat, 1/19/2013 2:00:37 PM (No. 9126676)
Oh, and if that doesn´t convince you, perhaps this will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6JczvS1PL4
:-)
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Reply 21 - Posted by:
TheMotherCO, 1/19/2013 4:17:53 PM (No. 9126881)
I am pea green with envy, #13, I would have loved to go there. Too late now. I love history!
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Reply 22 - Posted by:
crunchycon, 1/22/2013 2:16:40 PM (No. 9132711)
#8, I read The Sunne in Splendour as a college student on the recommendation of my Tudor History prof (define irony...), and became an ardent Yorkist as a result. It, and the other Penman books are exceptional.
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