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Sister, 19, accidentally shoots
dead brother in the head while
posing with gun for Facebook picture

Daily Mail (UK), by Paul Thompson

Original Article

Posted By:US Veteran, 1/3/2013 12:45:22 PM

A 19-year-old woman accidentally shot dead her brother while posing with a gun for Facebook photos on New Year´s Eve. Manuel Ortiz died instantly after being shot in the head at about 6am on Monday morning. Family and friends wept as his body was carried from his apartment in Phoenix, Arizona, where the shooting took place. Police said 22-year-old Ortiz and his sister Savannah Ramirez arrived back at the home they shared on New Year’s Eve after spending the night drinking. They were with two other people when someone in the group pulled out the handgun to take photos with it.
Source location added by staff

Comments:
idiots.

pure and simple.

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: galloglass, 1/3/2013 12:51:06 PM     (No. 9096633)

Alcohol and guns. Never a good combination.

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Bill the Cat, 1/3/2013 12:51:35 PM     (No. 9096636)

It´s a good thing she shot her dead brother. Otherwise, she would be in trouble.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Rotten In Denmark, 1/3/2013 12:52:20 PM     (No. 9096638)

She shot her dead brother? Hmmph, something fixed with the headline methinks!

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Reply 4 - Posted by: earlybird, 1/3/2013 12:54:37 PM     (No. 9096640)

To "shoot dead" someone is a Brit construction. Move past it to the story.

Drunks should not be playing with loaded guns.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: wilarrbie, 1/3/2013 12:57:24 PM     (No. 9096643)

Darwin by proxy.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Mr. Hanky, 1/3/2013 1:00:07 PM     (No. 9096649)

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: peebster, 1/3/2013 1:04:31 PM     (No. 9096655)

...sad, but I get the feeling that these are not your typical responsible, well-trained gun owners. Dims will see stories like these as ammo (sorry) for gun control. I propose lunatic control and now possibly ´wannabe gansta control´.

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Ding! Fries are Done, 1/3/2013 1:05:01 PM     (No. 9096656)


Oops. Ban stupid people.



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Reply 9 - Posted by: slipstik, 1/3/2013 1:09:04 PM     (No. 9096659)

In times gone by, stupidity, ignorance, outlawry, and insanity were rewarded with early death. Now, our safety net is so thick that natural selection has been subverted, except in this particular case. Chainsaws make better toys than guns in the hands of drunks.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: novakid, 1/3/2013 1:11:26 PM     (No. 9096660)

Was this a legally registered weapon? Had the idiots had any training?

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Reply 11 - Posted by: federale, 1/3/2013 1:13:37 PM     (No. 9096664)

Why did she shoot her dead brother?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: beowoof, 1/3/2013 1:17:27 PM     (No. 9096667)

Put a gun in the hands of someone who isn´t used to handling them, and their finger will IMMEDIATELY go to the trigger. Further, the only responsible way to hand a gun to someone is with the magazine removed and the chamber open to show it is not loaded AFTER sticking your finger in the chamber and the barrel to confirm your visual inspection. Alcohol, loaded weapons, inexperienced users....whoever owned that weapon and allowed it to be passed around has at lot to answer for.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Skjulestad, 1/3/2013 1:17:49 PM     (No. 9096668)

If he was dead, who cares if he got shot in the head.

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Reply 14 - Posted by: Mr. Know-It-All, 1/3/2013 1:18:13 PM     (No. 9096670)

Forget the gun, I think we should ban alcohol!

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Reply 15 - Posted by: chumley, 1/3/2013 1:18:54 PM     (No. 9096671)

Look at the pictures. Is this safe weapons handling? Who taught them this was ok?

Before the trolls jump in, note that they bore the price for their own irresponsibility. None of my guns were involved, so banning them wont help.

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Reply 16 - Posted by: GOPlease, 1/3/2013 1:22:48 PM     (No. 9096677)

On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a
restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of
the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed
them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting
and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora,
CO theater story plus a restaurant!

Now aren’t you wondering why this wasn’t a lead story in the national media
along with the school shooting?

There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and
shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story
makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good
person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.
www.pakalertpress.com/2012/12/30/san-antonio-theater-shooting/

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Reply 17 - Posted by: MassJim, 1/3/2013 1:23:40 PM     (No. 9096678)

Rules for gun handlers number 1 through number 10. Never ever ever handle a gun while or after drinking. Rule #11, never ever ever put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to immediately shoot the gun. Rules #12 through #20, never ever ever aim a gun at anyone unless you INTEND to shoot them. See, twenty simple rules that any responsible gun owner knows and follows and that this idiot failed to follow.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: NYbob, 1/3/2013 1:26:44 PM     (No. 9096679)

Educated by Hollywood.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Not your typical New Yorker, 1/3/2013 1:26:49 PM     (No. 9096680)

We need stricter "Sister Control Laws" asap.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: Doodah, 1/3/2013 1:27:08 PM     (No. 9096681)

Can not get past "shoots dead brother". Tragic, but even the Brits don´t write like that. More tragic, of course, is what happened.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: NorthernDog, 1/3/2013 1:28:41 PM     (No. 9096682)

FTA: On both Manuel and his sister´s Facebook pages there are numerous shots of them posing with guns and making gang symbols.

He was just a sweet boy in the neighborhood. Probably made the honor roll in public school too.


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Reply 22 - Posted by: cheese, 1/3/2013 1:33:34 PM     (No. 9096686)

Aw, they must have forgotten to add the inevitable bit about how he "was just beginning to turn his life around".

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Reply 23 - Posted by: roadrunner, 1/3/2013 1:38:45 PM     (No. 9096696)

The snooty Brits wrote that headline? I thought they were the IT in all things English.


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Reply 24 - Posted by: Sfacheem, 1/3/2013 1:43:09 PM     (No. 9096700)

Nice status update.



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Reply 25 - Posted by: artman1746, 1/3/2013 1:51:53 PM     (No. 9096719)

Where is the mother saying, "they are such nice kids. He was my baby!"(Not much point in asking about the father). Well, we know they are/were stupid kids. They are the welfare culture we are producing. We´re just lucky in this instance they killed each other instead of someone that would have grown up and contributed something to society. A sad thing but these are dead end stupid people. The truth hurts.

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Reply 26 - Posted by: veritas, 1/3/2013 1:57:54 PM     (No. 9096726)

1. Hooray for Darwin.
2. Too bad posters think the "English" of Fox News or ESPN is in fact English, and can´t be bothered to comprehend the least difference in sentence structure or word use. The Brit use here is correct. The modest amusement it offers hardly rates a dozen posts.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: laotzu, 1/3/2013 1:59:48 PM     (No. 9096729)

On both Manuel and his sister´s Facebook pages there are numerous shots of them posing with guns and making gang symbols.

A win is a win.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: cheeflo, 1/3/2013 2:08:32 PM     (No. 9096747)

Alcohol, guns, and stupidity, #1.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Italiano, 1/3/2013 2:18:04 PM     (No. 9096767)

Hmm. My kids have been around guns for years (when I have them out of the safe to instruct them in firearm safety, take to the range or clean) and nothing like that has ever happened. Not even close. I´ve never even had an AD.

Guess I´m just lucky, right?

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Reply 30 - Posted by: jalo1951, 1/3/2013 2:26:38 PM     (No. 9096780)

The gun is not the problem. The drunk idiot holding the gun is the problem.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: KingBubo, 1/3/2013 2:35:29 PM     (No. 9096798)

Sad, but it appears that there is one less gangbanger in Phoenix. Hey, he is the one flashing gang signs in the picture. Maybe he was pretending or not really in a gang. But guns, drinking, gang signs are a sign that you may not be a law abiding, decent guy.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: killerbee, 1/3/2013 2:36:34 PM     (No. 9096801)

So I´m sure these little gangsters got their weapons legally.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Lefticide, 1/3/2013 2:37:06 PM     (No. 9096805)

Natural selection?

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Reply 34 - Posted by: Abingtonjim, 1/3/2013 2:46:46 PM     (No. 9096816)

3500 miles and the English language make for interesting headlines.

The photos show someone with a gun who´s knowledge of gun safety is severely lacking.



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Reply 35 - Posted by: thelmalou, 1/3/2013 2:49:11 PM     (No. 9096821)

Thank you, #4 and #26...construct is correct.


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Reply 36 - Posted by: novakid, 1/3/2013 3:03:56 PM     (No. 9096848)

I´ll accept that the construct is technically correct. But..."shoots dead brother" surely implies that the brother was already dead.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: joew9, 1/3/2013 3:12:33 PM     (No. 9096864)

Forget the guns and the alcohol - ban facebook. If there was no facebook he would still be alive.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: KingBubo, 1/3/2013 3:23:42 PM     (No. 9096878)

#36, their should be some puntuation to make the headline more comprehensible. (I know I used the wrong form of there..or is it they´re)

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Rafter, 1/3/2013 3:32:06 PM     (No. 9096892)

Eats shoots and leaves.
Punks-you-ate that.

Sister needs to have her dead examined.

Verrrry tragic morons.
Still... morons.
And... moron is as moron does.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Rafter, 1/3/2013 3:34:44 PM     (No. 9096897)

Sorry... forgot to add...

Ya can´t fix moron.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: bobgray2, 1/3/2013 4:09:59 PM     (No. 9096956)

Was Thompson drinking when he wrote that headline?

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Reply 42 - Posted by: MisterDickens, 1/3/2013 4:16:02 PM     (No. 9096965)

Ban heads. That will put a stop to these needless incidents.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: dngriffin, 1/3/2013 4:54:54 PM     (No. 9097020)

BUt they both voted for Obama.

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Reply 44 - Posted by: bassman, 1/3/2013 4:59:13 PM     (No. 9097031)

#1 rule in handling a gun. Never point it at anyone, loaded or not.

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Reply 45 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 1/3/2013 5:00:55 PM     (No. 9097036)

Confusing headline for a tragic story. One can infer she shot her brother´s corpse.

I don´t want to make light of this, however. In far too many urban areas and their neighboring towns, thug elements like to celebrate the new year by shooting their guns randomly and otherwise playing with them. It´s no fun to do this, of course, unless they´re drunk, high or both. Stories like this are the result.

If there hadn´t been a photo of this, this woman may not have been arrested. No one around her would want to snitch, you know.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: veritas, 1/3/2013 6:12:54 PM     (No. 9097143)

#36: You are welcome.

#37: Not "technically correct," but correct. The fact that this particular correct usage is more common in Britain than here is mere happenstance.

Consider: if it read "accidentally shoots
brother in the head" the question of whether he lived is open. The headline´s use of "shoots dead" closes that issue. The construction is therefore not simply correct, but superior to typical American practice.

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Reply 47 - Posted by: Boneshaker, 1/3/2013 8:31:01 PM     (No. 9097330)

Obama vows to overrule Darwin´s Law.

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Reply 48 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 1/3/2013 11:08:59 PM     (No. 9097477)

I wish I had not looked at the photos.

Just the people you want living next door.
Any bets on gun registration ?

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Reply 49 - Posted by: Bla Bla, 1/4/2013 12:11:18 AM     (No. 9097555)

Actually, I think the superior way to fix the headline would be to say "shoots brother dead". But what do I know? I´m an American.

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