The Republican Party needs to figure out what it actually represents that is a positive alternative to the Democrats, then hold to whatever that is.

Right now, there is no cohesive message because there is no strong leader to keep them in line behind a direction they all want to go. Good leaders get their people to focus on what´s important and agree to disagree on what isn´t.

I will never vote for a republican again....
They give in everytime and I´m tired of wasting my vote for these bozos....They say one thing and do another....Just not going to vote anymore.....

New political party...anyone? I´m for it...and completely fed up.

A very basic and fundamental question. Are you for limited government or are you not? It is too late in the hour to say "Yes but"....

Cantor? That grinning fool standing next to Boehner in all the liveshots? Ahhh, no. He´s just as compromised.

But Boehner is pimping for this nightmare.

Enough with the 3rd party nonsense. You are surrendering the country to socialism.

OK,so let´s surrender to a socialist GOP?

FTA- " Krauthammer said that if the House rejects the Senate fiscal cliff bill, Republicans should start over with a clean slate in the new Congress."

“They will probably be enough with all the Democrats to pass this,” Krauthammer said.

‘We’re going to introduce the cuts Thursday — a clean bill. None of the other stuff in it, like the wind power credit and all of this other stimulus junk.’”

The House passed a clean bill like this last June ( only 19 Democrats voted for it )
and it died in the Senate.
Reid would not allow it to come to a vote.
I don´t understand how Dr K thinks Democrats would go along with this now
when they haven´t before.

They keep using this word Republican. I don´t think it means, what they think it means.

The Republican Party, along with our Republic, died on 11-6-2012.

What little is left of the Republicans are just surrendering. A little sputter here, a little sputter there, and then surrender.

The Republican Party of today is the France of political parties here in the USSA (United Soviet States of Amerika).

Krauthammer: Senate fiscal cliff legislation ´a complete surrender on everything´ - what did you expect?

If you´re going third party don´t forget to take West, Palin, Mourdock and the radio shock jocks with you. Please!.

Sarah Palin´s insight that reform, of the magnitude that is now needed, must be swift and relentless is sounding more prescient every day. The GOP is proving incapable of tying its own shoes. I´ve been dead set against third party talk till now, but what on earth is the alternative? Decades more of complete surrender?

The GOP lost the debate long ago when it embraced leftwing Democrat schemes like Social Security and Medicare. Instead of vowing to dismantle these socialist-creep projects (and so many others) that nowhere can be justified in the Constitution, the GOP vows to engrave Democrat-concocted Big Government entitlements in stone so that dependency and collective guilt can never be erased from the American experience. Thus, ceding the "helping people" argument to the Left from the start, it has no principled leg to stand on when it counts. It has shot itself in both feet. Things that can´t go on, won´t. The GOP can´t go on.

I´d have your back, Sarah. Many others now too, I strongly suspect. "Common Sense Party"? "Conservative Party"? or just "Tea Party"?

I did not think they would put up no fight. I did not think they would surrender like that. Boehner absolutely must go and yet he seems to have some stranglehold . He is great at consolidating his own power, just worthless at being a Strong leader! If there is any one person left with an ounce of fight, he/ she must get rid of Boehner!

We keep criticizing the Republicans for refusing to fight, but with every setback the posters on this site are quick to whine:

"The United States is dead"

"Let´s form a third party"

"I´ll never vote Republican again"

"etc."

How about if, instead, WE FIGHT to reclaim the Republican Party? There seem to be enough of us to get it done.

Fight to reclaim the Republican Party--that´s the only way. The GOP´s organizational skill´s are a definite problem as this last election proved. Keep fighting and working and quit whining!

I"m so tired to Washington DC -- I need a good rest from their "razzle dazzle games".....

LZK

#16 exactly how do you suggest we affect this take over of the Republican Party?

We are becoming quite fractured here. I am completely in agreement with #14 - exactly what I would have said had I arrived here a little sooner, and said quite likely better than I would have said it.

#16 and #17: Your posts cause me to think what you might propose.... It´s one thing to say, Reform the GOP!, but quite another to do it when they ignore those of us who put them in their congressional jobs. I´d be thrilled to stay with the GOP and fight to make the necessary changes from within, but how do we get them to listen to US again, when they´ve all become so entrenched in the DC ways? Their elections to their positions start with us, but apparently their principles end within two years of exposure to and pressure by their own party leaders.

Cantor? Hmmmm...... I have to admit I was surprised late yesterday to see that he had suddenly found what he carries in his trousers..... but then, having become jaded over the years of observing the DC chess games, I immediately suspected he was just giving public balance to Boehner´s immovable ´´let´s make a deal - I´ll give first!!´´ philosophy.

I don´t know what the answers are - but I´d bet many of us here could sustain a viable ´´Common Sense Party´´ - and do a helluva better job at GOVERNING (as opposed to wheeling and dealing the country away to certain devastation).

Gov. Palin - I too would have your back.

The problem is we don´t have the Senate. Hang in there everyone. And this isn´t a retreat, rather a re-trenching, which is tactical.

Obama is the one disappointed. He wanted a cliff dive and didn´t get it.

I didn´t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me. If I do nothing else, I will change my party affiliation and I hope many of you will do the same if for no other reason than to make a statement.

Palin/Gingrich ticket would not have caved

Again this morning, I have to agree with poster # 2. I will never again vote for a Republican if I don´t like him. This ´hold your nose´ business and vote is over with for me. Republicans have coasted on this behavior for years. They may continue to do so but not with my help they won´t.

As Rush has pointed out numerous times: the problem is always the "other guy," but MY congressperson/senator is just fine!

It´s sort of a Catch-22, we want a representative who will bring home the bacon to me, but not to thee. But with the spending problem we have, eventually the pig will be extinct.

16 and 17 are correct. We have to keep trying. One thing I tried to teach my children was that if you give up you are already defeated.

How stupid is it to abandon whatever troops you still have? We need more people on our side, not fewer, and some of you are playing the Democrats´ game by removing yourselves from the battle.

Boehner will remain Speaker. There is nobody to challenge him. Paul Ryan voted for this legislation and has remained silent on everything since the election loss, so don`t think for one second he would be a Speaker candidate. A new Congress takes effect on Jan. 3rd. Boehner`s first order of business is to take the newbies aside and get them in line with how things work in DC. You want to get ahead do as I say. You stray, there is no GOP money for reelection and no committee assignments. Boehner is tough when it comes to his own troops but cowers when dealing with the dems.

As for the debt ceiling? That too will go right down to the wire and the GOP will cave, raise it and off we go with more debt and more `revenue` demanded by Obama. By 2016 we`ll be lucky to only have 25 trillion in debt.

I am laughing as I come back to this thread and read that Americans are "weary and wary." Why? They voted for what we are getting now! Enjoy!

Our first order of business should be to inform every House Republican who voted to surrender (i.e.: voted for this bloated pork-filled tax hike with only miniscule spending cuts - so they wouldn’t be a scapegoat for going over the fiscal cliff) that they have only 2 choices: either announce that they will not run in 2014 or face a no-holds-barred primary challenge by a dedicated TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party candidate, who will promise to cut spending and will remind voters at every opportunity of your spineless vote on this shameful bill to burden our children with endless debt.

I´ve heard this before.

Only rarely has a change in (R) leadership produced any results.

The cave men strike again, just as many thought they would. This aspect of firing off a couple of shots, politically, then throwing the rifle down on the battlefield and walking away is maddening. Why do the pubs keep losing to the majik mulatto? Is BO really that much smarter than them? He cheated his whole way through life so there really isn´t any substance, it´s all smoke and mirrors. The pubs are not playing what few cards they have, wisely anyway. Oh we´ll stick with the republican party ok but only if we get all new people. The debt ceiling is not going to go our way either.

Next up, the stupid Republicans will cave in to Diane Feinstein´s destroy the Second Amendment legislation that she will introduce tomorrow. If that happens, I will never vote for those surrender monkeys again!

The Speaker of the House does not have to be an elected Representative.

I will support a boomlet for Allen West as Speaker. He will NOT be an elected Representative, thus he will not worry about re-election. I presume he will be (or can be) paid for his services as Speaker.
And we can count on him to be...
Conservative, and a
Fighter.