Not familiar with any research on this, but my gut tells me this is true.

The top 10% rule comes to bite you in the arse UT!

Graglia is a wise old bird. Been around UT for a long time.

They´re failing because their brans aren´t wired to white academics. If this is the problem stop producing poor black women mothers. Where´s all the black kids raised by government workers parents? Are they doing any better education wise? I doubt it.

Arab proverb: He who tells the truth had best keep one foot in the stirrup.

Dduuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh

If the liberals are screaming, it must be the truth.

I have no thoughts about it one way or the other myself but I can see where he could draw such a conclusion. I know from past experience the black culture frowns upon those who do well in school, calling such students Uncle Tom´s.

It´s Christmas break but the UT Shoot The Messenger Squad will have to report for duty.

INCOMING!!

History:

In the 40s [the black family was still intact] the segregated schools in black Harlem produced graduates who were just a couple of points behind white students in spite of the poor financial support for black schools. Black students could and did compete well against white students academically.

I´ve met many a student, usually from a poor white or black background raised by a single uneducated parent who actively despises school and learning. They´ve taken the lines from Pink Floyd ´we don´t need no education´ very much to heart.

There´s a lot of them in eastern Kentucky sad to say. The government has thrown money at them since the time of LBJ and not much has changed.

In response the League of United Latin American Citizens demanded he resign issuing a resolution which stated: ´His lack of respect for the students who sit in his classes is unacceptable. His contempt for our leaders is intolerable.´

Exactly what is it about an average 200 points lower on the SAT, failing homework papers and a sullen/entitled/ghetto attitude in class that engenders or earns respect?

Dr. Graglia obviously hasn´t been to enough diversity training sessions nor gotten the memo of assuring equal outcomes in his classes.

The issue of cultural values is very real, as is the single parent family issue. The grievance groups can protest all they want to but the numbers don´t lie. You can try to ignore the numbers. You can even suppress them and forbid anyone from mentioning them. But they are there.

Truth hurts. The guy didnt say it was because theyre black. He decried poverty and no dads at home. So what??? It is true across the racial board. White trash families are no different than ghetto trash when it comes to this issue. Baby mama sdont raise they chirrens to be good students. Baby daddies dont givrea flying flip. All yjey care about is the percentage of the welfare check that their vaious baby mamas are going to give them each month. Collect it, then go poke someone else and conceive again. Rinse, repeat. Again and again.

RACIST! BIGOT! Look, squirrel!

Don´t let this debate get started. It is a good political hammer so we can´t let this get started.

It´s Whitey´s fault! That´s their story and they´re sticking to it.

for anyone who speaks the truth about minorities, just say, "I´m not a racist, I´m an OBSERVATIONIST!"

Must be true because every third commercial shows an exceptionally bright kid schooling dad on whatever is being hawked.

I was listening to a lecture/talk obama´s head of education was giving the other day. His explanation that "minorities" should NOT be expected to perform at the same level as "non-minorities" and thus, should be awarded grades/degrees for work that does not meet the current mark (which is pretty low to begin with). Things need to be ADJUSTED in order for the minorities to graduate.
In other words, we get more of the highly credentialed people like obama, with inferior intellects. What a country!

Must be retiring. Otherwise his tenure at UT is finished. Kaput. It is no more. It ceases to exist. It has kicked the bucket. It has shuffled off it´s mortal coil, it is berift of life, it has joined the bleedin´ choir invisible.

At UT the top 10% is now 8%. What are the 3 keys to not living in poverty? Graduating from High School, not getting married until you are 20 and not having babies without being married - about 80% of poverty cases ignore these simple rules.

while i don´t doubt his conclusion, i wish that the study were of low income, single mothers not including the word black. poverty produces bad results - that´s not news. instead of affirmative action in favor of ethnic groups, i could support (in a limited way) some help for PEOPLE who have been poor for generations but have academic qualifications that demonstrate that help for college (or elite private high schools like the phillips andover/exeter ones) would be very beneficial. tommy lee jones was a very poor but good student and he got a lot of help for private h.s. and harvard (although i believe it was primarily b/c he was also a very good football player). being poor and qualified should be the criterion for scholarship, not race.

#4, you may want to check your own subject-verb agreement before questioning other´s education.

Please do NOT attack another poster in this manner. LCom Staff.

Didn´t some dRATS politico [or jackass] make the claim that our Military was made up of these "losers" that couldn´t find work elsewhere? I was more than offended by THAT remark. And for all the noise from any minority group, why are the teacher´s unions, board of educations, or local politicians always seeking MORE money to educate and feed these disadvantaged youths?

Every once in awhile, I like to point out to a young black kid that the hardest job in the world is to be a black father, supporting his family with a regular job.

#4´s syntax is sometimes a little off, but his/her thoughts and reasoning are always! spot on. #22 How about a break for our friend?

I was going to say that their cultures are self-destructive, but then I thought that now OUR whole culture is self-destructive and excuses or actively endorses every form and type of failure. It´s nobodies fault anymore. We´re all victims except "old white men" of course. We´re all Nazi´s or fascists. Everybody else is a "winner".

I´m sure this prof had to flunk more minorities & the school asked for justification. He´s sick of pandering but #2 is correct . You can´t think that all top 10 or 8% are equal. A 3.2 gpa can be a valedictorian at a garbage school , & a 3.8 can be a top 15% at a great high school. Guess who gets into UT?

As I am a professor at another Texas state university (a considerably less prestigious one), I am in full sympathy with Graglia, who is only stating what most of my colleagues believe to be the case. However, none would utter such a heretical belief in public because political correctness reigns in academia, even in conservative west Texas. While other factors may be more important in expaining why blacks in particular perform more poorly as a whole than other groups, the topic is taboo and the best explanations cannot be determined in the marketplace of ideas. The facts about overall black performance cannot be disputed, only the reasons can.

#18, I was a nurse practitioner faculty member at a large state university for about 15 years. I will indeed tell you that about 99% of the minority students expected to get passing grades for completely unacceptable submissions. At this particular university, the minority students happened to be black.

I felt it was a public safety issue to hold all students to a uniform minimum standard because the discipline was nursing. Graduating subpar students in this field would be dangerous. I would say for the most part I was supported by administration. However, even if they had graduated, there are state boards which must be passed by all.

The problem is a culutral problem, whites still believe that with hard wark and good education you can still get ahead(granted there are few and few), however the black culture doesn´t value education as a way to get ahead in life. By no means does this indicate they are stupid, think about what it takes to develop new street drugs(chemistry), and market it and sell(marketing and business), cut it so that it is addictive but doesn´t kill your customer the first time they use it (physiology)

While helping my grade schooler with his fractions homework last night, I was reminded of doing the same with my affirmative action roommate when I was a freshman in college.

Can stating fact ever be racist? Not in truth, but in our society it can be--the accusation is all that is required because the left finds the practice useful and the right cowers.

...and why is the woman single and pregnant?
Lib policies make it easy, the child is paid for by taxpayers and Dad´s skip town.

We can change all that by refusing benefits until the Dad is identified via DNA and is forced to pay.

I don´t give a hoot if #4 writes in pidgin, his opinions are spot on.

However, note he does not say poverty is the cause. Yet, you will hear LPs and those who fall for their propaganda loudly proclaim poverty as the cause. The same people who claim poverty is the cause of crime. Which insults all poor people who aren´t criminals - and that used to be over 90% of the poor. Don´t know what it is today.
Poverty isn´t the cause of their failure anymore than less spending on ´public schools´ is the cause of their poor performance.
BTW, a school is a teacher on one end of a log and a student on the other end. (paraphrase of L. Long)

Have him share his theory with Justice Clarence Thomas the next time he´s in DC, or spend time with the tens of thousands of children of single mothers of all races who have succeeded...

The broken family is really the root of lower achievement. Minority status just compounds it.

Dittos to poster #4!

#19. Maybe he´s just pining! ;)

Has it occurred to anyone that academic ability is to a large degree inherited, and it´s not particularly smart to raise your kids with a single parent, living in poverty?

Correlation is not causation.

#10, in the 40´s only poor, ill-educated, often foreign-language speaking whites lived in those ghetto situations, whereas even the top black families and their students were to be found there.

I´ve no doubt that the effects of poor public policy have led to a decline in inner-city black culture since then, but there are also other factors at play in that comparison.

The professor obviously missed the most important message in education curriculum:

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Time for a nice stretch in a re-eduction camp.

I hope he is tenured!

(Hook´em Horns)

who fails ? they pass them along and even give them priority entry into college over kids with higher qualifications. Wonder what obama´s grades were.

If you were to go into the homes of these poor white, black and Hispanic students, I bet you would be hard put to find a single book anywhere, and if there were, or if there were other reading materials, their content would be restricted to pop culture and fashion. if As the homies have been quoted as saying, "reading books is acting White." On the other hand, you will probably find a big, new, flat screen TV with Surround Sound and all the goodies.

Contrast that with what you will generally find in a middle class white (or Black or say Cuban) home. You will find find books, and you will see (as will the children) most members of the family reading them.

This is what is meant by "culture". It means that most Black and Hispanic students are already permanently behind the 8-ball intellectually and culturally before they ever leave elementary school, both because of deprivation and and the example set by those around them.

Wait a minute. I thought you weren´t allowed to use common sense in academia.

This is what happens when government is considered the daddy. Government has never ever done anything successful in social programs that I can think of except throw money at the issue. Liberal policies have already lost one generation. Are we heading towards two?

Fear not they all will be hired as government workers.

I think from observation that black and hispanic males are brought up to be super macho and that books and learning are for wimps. They are the types that end up in jail and think they are being persecuted because of their race. No, it is the attitude of it being smart is bad, but being mouthy and lazy is the right way.

Lino is a great man and wonderful speaker. I heard him years ago at a Federalist Society meeting. What a great legal mind and what a fine gentleman.

Lifestyles enabled by liberals. Let it fail.

fta: ´His lack of respect for the students who sit in his classes is unacceptable. His contempt for our leaders is intolerable.´
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See that folks, his "lack of respect" for failing students who have never done anything to earn anyone´s respect. They are a protected class these failing minority college students.

The liberals don´t care if they are actively producing minority students who can´t tie their own shoes yet MUST go to college for our society to be seen as "politically correct." The substance or college (learning, growth, accomplishment) are irrelevant. It is the mere appearance, the theatrical act or being inclusive, that matters.

Remember this when you are dealing with minorities in positions you know required a BA at minimum. Remember this when dealing with anyone of any race sadly now as colleges fail all their students when they choose to dumb down essential material and course work for the benefit of those who were simply unprepared and yet MUST be included for our nations liberals to get their PC jollies.

This hurts all of society.

People who complain about the Top 10% Rule need to realize that in a bad school, these kids have surpassed their teachers. Their *college educated* teachers.

They are failing because they don´t apply themselves to schoolwork, homework, or working harder than ever to achieve.

By the time they get to university they are barely able to read, know nothing of American history and math is considered a foreign language.

Blame the teachers. They have these kids for the biggest portion of their day.

#18 just gave me some food for thought.

here is my conclusions:

the purpose in lowering standards is to weaken us intellectually & physically. to produce more ignorance & less intelligence. to make women in combat more dependent on males on the battlefield. in vietnam, the enemy used ieds & boobytraps to reduce our effectiveness overall & during critical mission actions.

i´m more likely to believe that democrat goals aren´t equality or opportunity but the fomenting of national weakness & ignorance. minorities or anyone else aren´t as likely to convert to conservative thought if they are fed propaganda & kept in philosophical darkness.

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

This is not rocket science. If you have good nutrition, books in the home, travel opportunities, the resources for private schools, parental attention, access to information technology, space dedicated for study purposes, and so on, you have a lot of comparative advantages. Poor single mothers are less likely to be able to provide such advantages. There are heroic exceptions, but in terms of large statistical patterns, this is not rocket science.

The professor is correct. If it´s not culture and environment than that leaves genetics and I really don´t think that the left wants to go there.

It is totally the culture and the environment. I do volunteer tutoring at a low income public school. So far, in my short, one and half years, I have tutored three children in math. Two did not even understand the concept of numbers. Now I have been interacting with lots of children through the years and had never come across any child over age 4 who had this problem. It is a concept normally taught by parents at an early age while you count out cookies or apples or whatever over and over again. It is a just one of the ways some of these kids come into school (and in the case of the fifth grader, stay that way -although I think this kid only started going to school in third grade) way behind children brought up by middle class or above parents.

Dog whistle.

Bush´s fault.
Bush (Dubya) was Guber there for about six years, in Austin no less.
It was perhaps the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Si, senor?

But mebbe if´n yer kinder, gentler, more compassionate...
this´ll go away.
Won´t it?

There is one aspect to this that is seldom mentioned or discussed. That is, that for the past 40 to 50yrs, black people, and other minorities, have been TAUGHT by Dim politicians that they don´t have to study, do good in school, live in a two parent home, etc. in order to live a comfortable, middle class lifestyle. The govmint is going to provide it to them. At the expense of the white man and the RICH. And they (the dims) have succeeded beyond their dreams. And now look around and see what they have wrought on the country and where they still want to go.

They are failing because the bar is not yet low enough. Lower the bar yet again for them- be totally pro-active affirmative action! Let them pass without the hard word, dedication to principles of education and equality of mind and spirit. Place them on the pedestal they are accustomed to. After all, they are victims and will always be victims! And, when the Chines and Europeans swoop in with real educations and "steal" their jobs because industry must have real educated professionals, they can always fall back on what they know best- Welfare!

#60 -- I believe that this is exactly what Governor and then President Bush was trying to eliminate. Allowing minority children to perform so poorly and doing nothing to try to remedy it IS in fact bigotry of low expectations.

Well, Professor- you have violated a Commandment:

"Thou shalt not speaketh the obvious in matters of race, lest we smite thee and cast ye out"

There are some things best left unsaid even if they are true...

Poster #55, while I would never say that all teachers are blameless, they don´t deserve all the blame.

Pantywaist administrators who will do anything to avoid upsetting a belligerent parent who "will sue the school for punishing my little angel" should shoulder a large portion of blame, for appeasing parents and ignoring teacher reports on the child.

Parents who don´t enforce bedtime, so their child is falling asleep in class and parents who can´t be bothered waking a child and fixing a nutritious breakfast send their little angels to school unable to learn. Whether or not if they are married, whether or not if the child qualifies for free meals at school, and regardless of the perceived race of the child.

A school system that is forced, by laws passed affecting schools, and even ADA, to allow disruptive, violent, sometimes psychotic students to remain in "mainstream classrooms," often harming other, innocent, students and sometimes assaulting and even raping female teachers. I remember when those types of students could be expelled--or sent to reform school.

Fun with statistics. There must be sufficient students and background material to test this.

But then what? The science doesn´t matter when its answers are unpleasant.

Those with agendas can and will always say any study is flawed and/or does not show what it seems to show.

We are om a racial quagmire And politically correct rigidity helps keep it so.

Personally I think race doesn´t matter in academic success. And outcomes will be worse for single parents in economic difficult regardless of race. But community attitudes seem equally important.

It would be mad to believe a child´s total experience does not affect his chances of success in college.

But look at all the "uncles" they get to have.

Blacks in America have I.Q.´s 15-20 points lower than whites. Blacks in sub-Saharan Africa have I.Q.´s that average around 65. This, along with their hatred of anything white, explains their academic deficits.

Products of LBJ´s "Great society", Pay black women to stay unwed and have children. Have more kids, get more $$$. Democrats get at least two generations of voters, Blacks get to live in abject poverty,but don´t have to work, Americans pay for the whole scheme. Obama has bigger plans.

The truth stings, don´t it...?

Why didn´t the professor just ask the interviewer what his SAT scores were? Let´s face it, you don´t have to have much between your ears to get a network reporter job. You only have to look pretty.

I believe that statistics show that over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock and their families are on the dole. The unwed mothers often are no more than children themselves when they give birth to their children, and the mothers often are failing in school as well.

I grew up in poor family, one of six children. My mother was ill with cancer for a good part of my childhood and she died when I was 13. My parents qualified for welfare, but were too proud to accept it. My father sometimes worked three jobs to pay for my mothers "experimental" chemotherapy which was was covered by health insurance at the time. My mother helped us with our homework every night after school. We all attended private Catholic school, all six attended college, and some went to graduate school. We all married and some of us were blessed with children, and we raise our children the same way we were raised, but with the better life style that our educations and hard work gave us. As second generation Americans, we are angered that we are expected to pay for cradle to grave support for "poor single women" and their illegitimate children.

My parents love was like a warm coat that protected us from the cold realities of life. I would venture to say that many children conceived by "poor single girls" are not conceived in secure loving relationships.

An alien ship has entered Earth´s orbit and has been monitoring the life forms communications . The aliens have determined that 50% of the North American continent Sapien population have dark skin . They have also determined they are the ruling ´ class ´ .

And nobody dares say that there is any genetic causation.

Sensitivity Training sure to be ordered for this guy.

Not that they are raised by poor single women, but that the government has excused the behavior of their fathers and have "taken over" the responsibility. The Dems/Libs have their agenda that denies Christian belief that there is a God who loves all His creation and is able to reveal Himself,acting in their behalf.

This country has taken away the Faith that once provided US with the favor/aid of Almighty God.

Sex has become more important than being responsible. The schools have taken away the parents responsibility of raising their children to be honorable/willing to live their lives as Jesus once lived, totally agreeing with His/our Father God.

We have lost our innocence! The government has stolen from our children their birthright.

Pray for America! Satan is now roaming the streets.He is seeking whomever he can devour. His tactics have not changed. He came to steal/kill/destroy!

Look around and see what is happening!

America needs God. He alone can/will deliver US from all evil, here and abroad! Amen

re #4, #24, #34 & on down the thread -- you must be kidding then???

I just had this conversation a few days ago with a white church friend of mine. We give to a Boys´ Ranch every Christmas as a Bible Study Group. She works at a hospital. She sees people of color working highly professional jobs every day. Their brains are wired just fine. Doctors, nurses, specialized technicians, etc.

But our Q is -- why do we see mostly WHITE people giving to the urban/poor blacks? Whites are Big Brothers, Little League Coaches, donators, Foster Parents, etc.

We think it´s because the blacks at the top are either shunned/disliked, &/or they are afraid they will be drug down by the lower end if they hang out with them.

They need mentoring -- not new brains.

P.S. This prof is going to be in big doo doo -- remember what happened to Dan Quayle when he said we need less Murphy Browns . . . & she was a white actress playing a part!