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The White House’s Benghazi
bungling is proving a disaster

Telegraph [UK], by Nile Gardiner

Original Article

Posted By:Attercliffe, 11/28/2012 8:06:54 PM

President Obama hasn’t even begun his second term yet, but his administration is already struggling with a huge credibility problem on the Benghazi front. Watch this video posted today at The Weekly Standard, which shows White House Press Secretary Jay Carney telling National Journal correspondent Major Garrett that Obama “is not particularly concerned” whether Susan Rice misled the American people in a series of talk show interviews following the killing of US Ambassador Christopher Stephens and three other US personnel in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11. Carney told the assembled White House press corps: What the president is worried about,


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Reply 1 - Posted by: Th-Gr-Sil-Majority, 11/28/2012 8:20:34 PM     (No. 9038444)

...it´s sad when one has to go to the British press to make sure they are not going crazy. Saw the video of Carney earlier in the day. Could not believe the ´tude that was projected...

...I know they have only had 2 1/2 months since, but I would love to know exactly where and with who the president was with during the events. That could give great clarity to the debacle...

...everything else including Petraeus is so much window dressing. Watergate was a little story at election time. It took til the following summer to blow apart. I trust that in today´s world, it won´t take quite as long...

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Reply 2 - Posted by: Nevadadad46, 11/28/2012 8:21:54 PM     (No. 9038448)

The new crisis will come, Benghazi will be forgotten in the smoke of the new crisis. Democrats now rule, so, we´ll just have to ´Move On´ like we did past the Clinton cigar/blue dress/lies debacle. Don´t you people get it? Democrats have the reigns of our government, now. So- what do you expect will happen?

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Lonestar Jack, 11/28/2012 8:53:09 PM     (No. 9038479)

Is it true that there were 2 or 3 more attacks in the following week?
I didn´t see it in the MSM, but caught a fleeting spot on the radio.

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Reply 4 - Posted by: gesundheit, 11/28/2012 9:00:12 PM     (No. 9038496)

The President may not be ´´particularly concerned´´ that Susan Rice lied to several TV talkshow panels, but if he nominates her for Secretary of State and she lies to Congress under oath during her confirmation hearings, she will be committing perjury and could end up in jail.

That may not ´´particularly concern´´ the President either, but if Ms. Rice testifies at her trial that the President asked her to lie to Congress, the President could be convicted of suborning perjury, and that might finally cause the President a little concern.

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Reply 5 - Posted by: Udanja99, 11/28/2012 9:06:34 PM     (No. 9038503)

Nah, #4. Clinton skated on suborning perjury. If he can get away with it, you know that the historic first sort of black messianic president will skate like a roller derby queen.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: grampstosix, 11/28/2012 9:19:15 PM     (No. 9038521)

We´re learning now that Rice tried to help cover up the Rwanda slaughter during the Clinton administration when Clinton was taking heat for not doing anything about the matter. She´s just not to be trusted.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: TXspyder, 11/29/2012 1:29:09 AM     (No. 9038734)


Lookie here: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/112112-634358-susan-rice-thwarted-bin-laden-capture.htm

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Reply 8 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/29/2012 6:53:44 AM     (No. 9038878)

As long as the left controls the media and the education system, we´re sunk.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: azusaman, 11/29/2012 6:56:11 AM     (No. 9038883)

Couldn´t agree with #2 more.

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Reply 10 - Posted by: lancelink1, 11/29/2012 6:58:32 AM     (No. 9038887)

Hold your calls we have a winner. #8 is spot on. Exact and to the center of the issues in under 15 words.

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Reply 11 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 11/29/2012 7:02:23 AM     (No. 9038890)

Something that has been completely forgotten in all this is what happened in Cairo. OK, maybe that riot was the result of outrage over ´the video´, but if you recall, mob participants scaled our Enbassy walls there, pulled down our American flag, burned it, and raised up their own al qaeda flag, all the while shouting ´´Obama! We are Osama!´´

It was there, prior to the events in Benghazi, that our Marines were ordered also to STAND DOWN.

That Embassy WAS staffed by a Marines guard - why were they ordered to stand down in Cairo?

It was SEPTEMBER 11, for God´s sake!

I still firmly believe these events were set in motion intentionally, by forces who wanted to use this ´outrage´ to their advantage for other reasons - not the religion of pieces. Who could that be.......?

Other than that, no big deal.

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Reply 12 - Posted by: nimby, 11/29/2012 7:03:55 AM     (No. 9038894)

We all knew from day 1 that BO did not care about the death of Americans. He cared about getting re-elected. What more can one expect from " my, me, mine"?

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Reply 13 - Posted by: Bad Dog, 11/29/2012 7:11:36 AM     (No. 9038902)

P.S. Explosive stuff, #7! I missed it at the time - wish I´d seen it when it was first new. Susan Rice is an unmitigated one-woman disaster for the U.S.!

A couple of coinkydinks to ponder:

1. Does anyone else notice that Susan Rice looks A LOT like Eric Holder?

2. The Ambassador to the Sudan in the Clinton years referred to in #7´s link was Tim Carney. Any relation to the #1 PressBoy?

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Reply 14 - Posted by: LZK, 11/29/2012 7:55:35 AM     (No. 9038951)

It´s quite obvious what happened -- but -- WE seem to have forgotten four American lives were lost because no one in the White House could make a decision to send in the Marines.....

Sad waste of life....


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Reply 15 - Posted by: gewgaw, 11/29/2012 8:25:09 AM     (No. 9039000)

Need to now....just exactly where was Obama when this went down???

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Reply 16 - Posted by: WAN2, 11/29/2012 8:35:08 AM     (No. 9039016)

Racist Inferiors do not question Our Leader. He is omnipotent.

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Reply 17 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 11/29/2012 8:47:25 AM     (No. 9039034)

FTA: Carney’s response, as the president’s official spokesman is extraordinarily dismissive of the concerns of the American people as well as the United States Congress, and is representative of the administration’s shambolic handling of the Benghazi attack.

Dictators can say and do whatever suits their purpose when and why they want to do it.

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Reply 18 - Posted by: sadc, 11/29/2012 8:56:47 AM     (No. 9039049)

We could have a video of one of these bozos in the White House committing a crime and we would be told it was taken out of context, not exactly as it seems, too complicated to understand but wise people are meeting and examining and there is nothing of concern. They are getting bolder.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: Felixcat, 11/29/2012 9:04:19 AM     (No. 9039065)

"is not particularly concerned" and so was a majority (however slim) of the American voting public lst Novemebr 6, 2012.

Rice pushed to get US involvement in Libya to prevent genocide - remember that was Obama´s justification for ignoring Congress to start the air war against Ghaddafi. I suspect that in some ways, Ms. Rice has been much more engaged in foreign policy than her boss, Hillary, who has been busy on her world wine tasting tour.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: TakeBackAmerica, 11/29/2012 9:05:03 AM     (No. 9039069)

Thanks #7: This woman is not merely a benign “champion”of someone else’s talking points, she’s showing deliberate malignance on her own.

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Holeymoses, 11/29/2012 9:15:51 AM     (No. 9039088)

The only people who are concerned are those who didn´t vote for Obama the first or second time. You know how far that got us.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 11/29/2012 9:31:00 AM     (No. 9039116)

Zippy controls the "Justice" Department and the media.

So where does all this go? The above posters have already provided the answer - - NOWHERE!


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Reply 23 - Posted by: secondtimelucky, 11/29/2012 9:37:37 AM     (No. 9039131)

the Hagmanns - pere et fils - have 2 very interesting posts on this whole story. What is isn´t, and what isn´t is...

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Reply 24 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/29/2012 9:39:09 AM     (No. 9039136)

I don`t think Benghazi has been a disaster for Obama. He has been skating on this issue like all the other issues. Nothing can touch this guy. Others may be hammered over it but Barack continues on his marxist way seemingly unconcerned. After all, he won reelection so the public at large didn`t seem to care about it either. Also, the GOP has been unable/unwilling or just plain asleep at the wheel with regard to using this issue to gain an upper hand on the fiscal cliff/tax issues.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: BetseyRoss, 11/29/2012 9:45:11 AM     (No. 9039146)

Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton do not like each other. Why? Susan Rice´s new job at the UN was a thorn in Hillary´s side. There was some competition there as there were dualing offices at State. That may not have happened, but the more we find out about Susan Rice the better it is for our country. We know Hillary is a huge Lefty. Susan is, too. The State Dept is full of them because I know a couple. Start digging for info, because this is going to get ugly. They are all incomptetnts pretending that they are the opposite.

Obama´s not concerned about Susan because he knows she will lie for him at every turn. Apparently Hillary will not lie anymore for him. What´s a faithful Commie to do? Send out someone that will. Susan got the job with the promise that she would be SOS. Is this a great country, or what?

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Reply 26 - Posted by: peterfleming, 11/29/2012 9:51:02 AM     (No. 9039155)

What millions call, "the left", and even more fools call "liberals", are all Democrats (and much too many Republicans) promoting socialism, fascism and communism. For many stealth decades, the media, all of academe, quietly laying in all the language and indoctrination of cultural Marxism, destroying individualism, like an as yet undiscovered cancer. There are no exceptions. There are two Obama stories. One is what actually happened. The other: what Obama, comrades and 90% of the media instruct us (brainwash us), on what happened. Indoctrination. What we get is the cowardly blindsiding of the four deaths in Benghazi, done effectively by the complicit protectorate of the Diane Sawyers, TV Mafia Media thugs, the elite limo media that follows all Party Line orders. Their uniformly omissive watch dog press, gave Obama an already crooked election. Call them rigid followers of The Party Line, right out of Hitler & Stalin. This one grand omitting distortion saved his fraudulent election. Is the carelessly promising Obama, a second Hitler? Are the protective propaganda Sawyers, another Goebells ?

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Reply 27 - Posted by: artlover, 11/29/2012 9:53:12 AM     (No. 9039160)

You juat as well forget it - nothing is going to happen here. Obama is "elected by a majority," he thinks and there is nothing we can do. We are now a country who has NO freedoms and you just as well get used to it. Forget it----------

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Reply 28 - Posted by: Danceman, 11/29/2012 9:58:52 AM     (No. 9039170)

Pure and simple, he froze.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: snewb098, 11/29/2012 10:29:06 AM     (No. 9039229)

What baffles me is why Obama can´t just say where he was on Sep 11th 50pm-110pm.
Saying he can´t comment because of an investigation is downright silly or devious
and I aint buyin´ silly.

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Reply 30 - Posted by: RancherJack, 11/29/2012 10:56:57 AM     (No. 9039313)

Effect on American MSM and voters?


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Reply 31 - Posted by: larryp, 11/29/2012 11:15:05 AM     (No. 9039350)

see #7 post
susan rice thwarted the capture of bin ladin
during Clintoon era.

Notice that all the important stuff in our slide dn is knocked off the front pages? Notice that it is a black person that takes the hit? Notice that the GOP does nothing, really ? Notice that the former Presidential candidate is heading up oposotin. Notice that this gives cover to Obama and the GOP?

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Reply 32 - Posted by: Stopstoreload, 11/29/2012 11:15:24 AM     (No. 9039351)

Susan Rice should be strapped to the President like Ahab was to the whale.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: Reality, 11/29/2012 11:18:05 AM     (No. 9039355)

Anyone who has a modicum of intelligence and is not OD´ed on Kool Aide knows that Rice wasv told to lie by Mr.0blamer.
The whole story was dreamed up by his handlers Mr Axelrod and Ms Jarret.
Nothing more than a politically motivated coverup of the lie that was stated by Joe Plugs. "Binladen Dead, GM alive". While both are true neither prove much of anything.
GM is still broke and Al Quida is still alive and well.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: EnsignO´Toole, 11/29/2012 11:18:18 AM     (No. 9039356)

FTA: Carney’s response, as the president’s official spokesman is extraordinarily dismissive of the concerns of the American people as well as the United States Congress, and is representative of the administration’s shambolic handling of the Benghazi attack.

Wow - I just learned a new word and it needs to be used in every discussion of the Obama handling of Benghazi, the economy, immigration, and in all things Democrat and DC.
shambolic— adj
informal completely disorganized; chaotic
(irregularly formed from shambles)

FTA: The lack of clarity from the White House on Benghazi is proving a disaster for the Obama administration, giving every impression that it is lacking in transparency, competence and accountability.

Too bad the morons who voted for Zippy don´t read this kind of article. I just hope the Republicans in Congress read it.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: joew9, 11/29/2012 11:53:25 AM     (No. 9039423)

Wishful thinking. The White House could purposely bungle this is the worst way imaginable and they MSM won´t cover it or will say the mistake is understandable. So it all doesn´t matter.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: wexfordcounty, 11/29/2012 1:16:47 PM     (No. 9039615)

OMG, this might threaten Barry´s re-election....oh right, never mind.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: Chiritwo, 11/29/2012 1:18:24 PM     (No. 9039622)

Why haven´t we heard yet who gave the order to "stand down"? That order guaranteed the murder of those brave men. Where is a "Bob Woodward" for this. His investigation started with a break in - this one will start with 4 murders.

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Momma Walton, 11/29/2012 2:00:07 PM     (No. 9039686)

The only salvation for America is Almighty God. Nothing changed! We have forsaken Him and allowed Obama to take over.

It is only in God´s Son, Jesus, that man is saved! It is so simple. When, we, as a country,repent, get down on our knees, declare Jesus is Lord and His Word is true, then and only then will we be set free.

God is able to deliver US from all evil - here and abroad!

Open your dusty Bible, read it with a desire to be set free! The Old Testament provides US with the ways/means of salvation, being saved physically as well as spiritually!

God loves His creation and ever responds to the call/prayer of those who sincerely come, willing to follow His plan, able to stand firm in the Truth that US free!

Our founding fathers provided US with the determination to stand up for righteousness.

Where are our leaders today?

Have entitlements caused the havoc we experience today?

What is "most" important for US to survive/thrive?

The answer to all these questions is found in God´s Word.

Stand up for Righteousness!

God´s way is always the best way and it leads us all to the eternal Kingdom prepared for those who love Jesus, King of "all" kings/Lord of "all" lords!

Again, pray for America!

May we shine bright again, for the whole world to see, also to know Who set US free - Jesus Christ, God´s only-begotten Son!

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Reply 39 - Posted by: Marzon, 11/29/2012 2:24:20 PM     (No. 9039741)

They got away with 2 dead Americans and several hundred Mexicans with Fast and Furious, they will get away with this too.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: Ida Lil, 11/29/2012 2:58:31 PM     (No. 9039820)

We can push back until the truth is known and then we must act to correct the wrong because
whining to God concerning our lack of courage to make the spoilers back down doesn´t meet the test.
The Lord God told the Hebrews that if they insisted governance by a ruling king they would forfeit his intervention and protection.
The result is recorded in all history eras since.Help thyself if thou wishes freedom.

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Reply 41 - Posted by: TruthandJustice, 11/29/2012 8:16:50 PM     (No. 9040305)

THIS IS THE CRISIS....The attacks in Benghazi were perpetrated by IRAN...

What we ave been waiting for, the rest of the story...and if true, which I believe it is....IMPEACH...Our Military should not be waiting...I ask, For What? What more do you need? Petraeus speak up


Obama does not want the American people to know the truth about what is going on, Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, AQIM
Benghazi: Behind the scenes (Part II)

- Doug Hagmann Thursday, November 29, 2012

Author’s note: This is part two of a multi-part interview with a government insider intimately familiar with the events that took place in Benghazi. It is important to note that the information contained in this series was developed from interviews that spanned over 100 hours. In this part, the insider provides information about the events of the attack and the continuation of the cover-up at the highest levels of our government. (For Part I, please click here).

We’ve heard different accounts and different timelines concerning the attack at Benghazi. What exactly happened?

First, people must understand that the compound that was attacked was situated in a somewhat rural area and was not a consulate, but a rented villa, or a residential structure. The residence was the primary building, and what has been referred to as the annex was located about 1800 feet away as the crow flies, but just over a mile to travel by road. And again, visible security was not present as the compound was the headquarters for a covert operation. No one wanted to draw attention to what was taking place at this location.

The first indications of problems there began at least twelve-(12) hours before the first shot was even fired. One of the men at the compound observed a policeman or Libyan security officer taking photographs outside of t

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Posted By: magnante- 4/19/2014 7:48:36 AM     Post Reply
I began reading the entirety of the first section of the New York Times at nine years old, and continued that practice, more or less, for decades.(snip) ...the power of reverence, intrinsic to what I call the “cascade” of The Times: the near avalanche-like flow and distribution of information through electronic and print networks: through like-minded network newscasts, magazines, local newspaper s, blogs, daytime talk TV, late-night entertainment, statements at media award ceremonies, the celebrity Twitterverse, etc. The cascade rolls through Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, The New Yorker, the mouths of third-grade teachers, Elmo, Madonna and Susan Sarandon …through

In a Hole, Golf Considers
Digging a Wider One

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New York Times, by Bill Pennington    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/19/2014 10:48:33 AM     Post Reply
GREENSBORO, Ga. — Golf holes the size of pizzas. Soccer balls on the back nine. A mulligan on every hole. These are some of the measures — some would say gimmicks — that golf courses across the country have experimented with to stop people from quitting the game. Golf has always reveled in its standards and rich tradition. But increasingly a victim of its own image and hidebound ways, golf has lost five million players in the last decade, according to the National Golf Foundation, with 20 percent of the existing 25 million golfers apt to quit in the next few years. People under 35 have especially spurned the game, saying it takes too

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