The battle lines are being drawn. The fight for the GOP is on. The seemingly eternal struggle between the right and the Republican establishment has entered its newest phase. In the wake of Mitt Romney being end-run by Barack Obama, GOP get-alongs want to double-down on failure. Moderation -- the odor of it -- is in DC´s air like cheap, fetid perfume. But the fight between grassroots conservatives and the get-alongs is different this time -- very different. The eternal struggle may prove not to be eternal, after all.
Comments: I just watched John McCain when presented with a video of a democrat calling McCain a racist reply that he cannot dignify those comments with a response.
Just one small example of the weakness of the Republican Party and those who are running it.
Doomed, yes. Regardless of who "prevails". They blew it in 2012, not just losing in the face of deceit and cheating, but killing the good will and support that the Dems. They have certainly lost any support I have given them in the past.
But wait, what, we were told by Romney enthusiasts on this very site that there was no establishment, that the nominee was sufficiently conservative, that anyone unsatisfied with Romney´s bona fides was crank, a site pest, an Obama loving troll.
Truth ultimately wins out. The power wing of the republican party got what they wanted and they own this mess. They ignored the success of 2010 in order to keep their parking spaces and comfy chairs.
The generals, those who did the heavy lifting and voiced their opposition in 2010, those who passionately and unwaveringly articulate the conservative message ( hint, they don´t get Christmas cards from BarBush) should be allowed to lead. Palin, Jindal, Ryan, Perry, Christie, that´s the future.
It is so simple, people. 24 states voted republican, If only 17 of these don´t show up on December 17th for the electoral vote, the House can still elect Romney. Please pass this information to your local snoozing RNC.
The GOP is doomed but what really worries me is seeing how close the nation is to being doomed. GOP go-along style politics has alienated the conservative base and is impotent against the statist DNC machine and an increasingly lazy electorate.
Exhibiting suicidal tendencies, the GOP is already lining up its prettiest milquetoast candidates for 2016. Yes, the GOP is doomed and I hope it gets killed off for good by a Constitution/Conservative/Tea Party. Ramona (the Pest)
The point of the article is not that we should leave the GOP but that we should fight for control of it.
What GOP candidate for nomination would have done better than Roney? Gingrich, who did not appear on the ballot in some places and therefore could never have gotten the nomination? Perry, who could not seem to talk. Cain, who knew nothing about foreign affairs to the point of my being embarraassed for him? It was a weak field that presented itself and Romney was the best of the bunch. I think, if truth were told, it was probably the Mormon factor that doomed us. Bob Beckle announced, "no Mormon will ever be president of this country". I guess he was right.
Someone here wants us to turn to Jindal, Christie and the other sore loser. These are already tarnished brands.
Whether Palin has a future in front of a new Constitutional Part, I don´t know. BUT, she tried to do the heavy lifting for McCain and look where it got her. She could even come out in plain english and say why she had to resign so that imbicile viters could understand she and Alaska were being being bled dry by the lawsuits from the left. So now many people call her a quitter out of ignorance.
Language - use it - it is your friend in the dumbed down times we live in.
#11, you may be right about Christie, you are certainly right about "the other sore loser", but Jindal is still a real possibility. It´s tragic that we couldn´t elect Romney. The nation is the loser, of course. But, that is now history and I intend to look to 2014. I´m no longer young and the next election is never a sure thing for someone my age, but for now, I am trying to generate enthusiasm and to have faith in our deep bench.
Sorry 11. There were better candidates than Romney, however, it was Romney that the Republican leadership wanted. They Republican Party and Romney team categorically trashed every conservative candidate in the quest to have "The Electable" candidate, while attacking anyone who questioned Romney "Conservative" credentials. As a reminder, the strength of many on those on this site who argued for Romney boiled down to ABO, and clearly he wasn´t a strong enough candidate to win on that merit alone.
You can´t bring milquetoast to a street fight and expect to win.
#12, I understand your love for Sarah Palin, although I do not share it. However, she was unable to handle a full term on the energy committee, a full term as governor and was unable to fully support John McCain at the top of the ticket. She torpedoed him in 2008 by "going maverick" in Michigan against his wishes. The presidency would be a bridge too far for this demi-governor of a lightly populated state who seems to be thoroughly enjoying her retirement. Nothing wrong with that.
I believe its the country that is doomed. The sad thing is that our capitalist past has built so much strength that it will take a long time for the left to destroy us to the point where we actually collapse. Longer than most of us will be alive. We are going to grind into the dirt slowly, but surely.
Once the left gets in a position where they cannot lose (ie unbeatable election fraud), they tend to stay in power for decades. Look at North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, USSR, China, Iraq (Saddam), etc.
I have a feeling the GOP feels like they want to get to play with the ball, so they will join in with the dims and take us further left. Those who think this will bring collapse so we can rebuild in a conservative image are planning on living a lot longer than average.
I have to say that Mitt´s message was beyond the comprehension of the morons in this Country. That word "work" kept on getting in the way. However, I don´t think I´ll ever forget his ruthless trashing of other repub candidates - sent them all into oblivion. When it became showtime with BO, zippy was " a nice guy, the presidency is just not his shtick" or some other BS.....The party, or a party, needs a street fighter - a graduate from the University of Mean Streets - to carry a CONSERVATIVE message. Whatever happens going forward, the repub party will do it without my wife and me - and told them so last week. I´m done with these wankers.
After this election, it really looks like the Tea Party component of the Republican Party needs to get out and start a third party. The Republicans are slowly being drawn into the Dem Party and any real conservative is looking for an alternative. There are 2 years before the next election, enough time to get the Tea Party established in all 50 states and be a viable party. The establishment Republican Party has no desire to change things in DC. Conservatives are on their own.
The primaries proved that the Establishment is in control of the GOP. Our best option at this point is a new party. We´ll lose in the short run - that will happen regardless of what we do. However, it is our only hope in the longer run. The thought that we can take control and hold control of the GOP has proved to be like Lucy and the football.
An understanding of HOW Romney got beat needs to be part of the discussion. A precious few battle ground states were agonizing close and had the GOP organized and followed through like the unions did for 0bama, things would be different today. Romney was not a bad candidate, though, I readily admit a stronger candidate would have been easier to sell.
Does anyone here think the media would not have done its best to bash ANY candidate the GOP puts out? Does anyone doubt the unions would have knocked on one less door or bussed in one less person to to polls on election day? Of course not. Both are committed and organized and if any conservative group thinks they can get away with doing anything less they fooling themselves.
Starting back in the 1950s (with some threads going back to FDR), leftest, liberal thought has been infiltrating the national consciousness to the point were 47% honestly believe they are entitled to some handout. No candidate, no matter how pretty or how conservative can change that number today, four years from now or even 16.
Only two things can change that number and it will probably take both: 1) the conservative movement organizes and commits to long-term (and I mean decades) of education and opportunities through conservative principles and 2) an economic collapse of such magnitude that exposes government for the fraud that it is.
The Republican Party has abandoned urban areas, and urban areas are where the voters live. In Chicago alone, if Romney had 100 more votes per precinct, on average, he would have garnered 203,400 more votes. (Romney would have lost my precinct 358-175 instead of 358-75.) He still would have lost by a huge margin, but in an election when one candidate isn´t from Illinois, 203,000 votes could change the outcome. The Rs would not have to pander - just build the mechanisms to identify and get out their voters. The world isn´t going to change - the nation is not going to turn all conservative, thereby making our wins easy. There are many conservative voters, or persuadeables, in cities - but there is absolutely no ground game to get them to vote. It is depressing to live in Chicago and in Illinois, states once Republican-leaning, if not outright R, and see them abandoned by the geniuses in DC in an effort to thread the needle every 4 years by winning a dwindling number of battleground states. If Rs won´t fight for votes in areas where the votes are, we will never win again.
Con´t: Both are painful in that the former requires lots of hard work for a long time without seeing much results. The latter will entail much suffering, much of it needless, but people are sometimes slow at understanding.
The GOP is currently re-arranging the chairs on their Titanic. The conservative movement so far has not had the balls to stand up to the media or translate their angst into a more organized power (like the unions).
There is a LOT of heavy lifting to do and it will come from the ground up. In that sense, we all have something to do.
I´m sick of the GOP forming circular firing squads. Romney almost won the election & we returned a GOP majority to the House. If we can up turnout in 2016, we´ll be fine. (BTW, there is no "Establishment.")
Sorry. The die is cast and the results are in. The nation has listed to the left and can not be righted at this stage. The "give mes" far outnumber the "Let me gives" and it simply will not be fixed. The rush is now on, with even conservatives dashing to the "give me" side of the ship and soon, probably sooner than we dreamed, it will tip on over. Give up? Well, yeah! What´s the choice? Prepare for your own as best you can and leave the rest to providence and dispaire. Pray the left will over reach, shock the people into looking to the abyss they are diving toward. The real question is this; Is freedom worth it? Too many of our countrymen and women now believe it is not and simply will surrender if they can only be allowed to keep going to the malls and watch the Sunday football and B-ball on TV. It´s disgusting. But, that´s the way it is and the GOP leadership and elected fully realize it. Øbama and his minions are in full giddyness over it and don´t really seem to know what to do next.
Addressing an earlier post here...I unabashedly still carry a torch for Mrs Palin. Just like her, that torch is bright and hot. She is one of the few candidates in my lifetime who I am pretty sure has not sold her soul to the political establishment, and is guided by her own conscience. I make no apologies for supporting virtue over "electability".
My husband and I have been registered Republicans for over 30 years. We are seriously considering changing to Independent for the next election. I´ve been against a third party, but if the Republicans start pandering to the same special interest groups that the Democrats do, then I will be willing to vote third party.
I was walking the halls of Congress the other day and happened by the door to Senator Harry Reid´s office, and I heard a strange noise coming from within. Sort of a smacking sound I heard. so I lingered a moment and, what do you know! It was John McCain in Reid´s office, asking him a question. How typical of McCain, I thought, reaching out to his good friends across the aisle, as he likes to call them.
#1 Couldn´t have said it better. Let´s just look at the candidates the Republicans gave us. G. Bush Sr. Well that may have been a given but he was the one who politically coined, the New World Order. Then they gave us Dole. Another Rino. Then Bush Jr. came in. Remember how close that election was. W was great on defense but created an incredible amount of new bureaucracy. I think I wrote out some 85 new programs before 911. Then the elite gave us McCain and then Romney. We have not had a true conservative running for President. Even Reagan wasn´t conservative enough for me. And Republicans keep voting for these people. The liberals and the press destroy the most conservative before the process begins. And what´s left are the RINO´s. But nothing will happen until financial chaos engulfs the US economy. Get rid of the Coulters and Roves. Or in four years we´ll lose again.
Oh, I see our two factions of the Flat Earth Society are out and about again - those who think Sanctorum or Newty would have garnered more votes than the candidate who actually almost won - and the third-partiers, who wish to live in their own little third-party parallel universe.
332-206 is NOT "almost winning". Winning only 1 of the 9 contested swing states is NOT "almost winning". Romney may have been the best man with the best policies and I agree with that, but IMO he was an awful candidate.
I am tired of all this anklebiting from the right and from the less conservative part of the Republican Party. There is one immutable principle: In the end, after all of the primary screaming and shouting, we have a two party system, us against them. If you don´t show up and vote for your party´s candidate and against their candidate, they will win. Shame on us.
#15 please spare us your "understanding" why we love Sarah...and then spew the old conundrums of "misinformation"!!! just why she had to leave the governorship ..how she did not help McCain...are you freaking nuts..the reason he got as many votes as he did, was because she was on the ticket!!Willfuly obtuse...or something else..?
We just went down in flames with a guy who after six years of campaigning couldn´t get above 26 percent in the primaries without extensive negative campaigning. Restated, three quarters of republican primary voters, knowing who he was, wanted someone else.
We have people here pleased with their associations with such successful establishment republicans as Nicole Wallace, so invested in spinning their own failures on the candidate. Again, a poor carpenter blames the tools.
I don´t know about Palin´s work ethic. I do know she went to the wall in 2010 and again this year on behalf of candidates who expressed legitimate concerns about the expansiveness of government and the willingness of establishment republicans to go along to get along. Unlike the nominee you love so much, and again, its never too early to fire up that Romney 2016 bandwagon, she understood, appreciated and articulated a message Reagan would be proud of. Unlike the nominee you love so much, she didn´t hide in the tall grass during the 2010 elections and then act embarrassed by those T party rubes.
Carrying a torch for anyone who genuinely sees government as too big, too intrusive and too inflexible, and who recognizes that Rockefeller Bush Romney republican is as much a part of the problem as anything the democrats offer is hardly a bad thing. Extremism....virtue... not a vice.
So keep impressing yourself and your friends with your resume. In your heart, you know she´s right.
Look, I surrender. I´ll support a Palin presidential run right after she proves she can get elected to an office, any office. As for the bedwetters´ club -- I.e. Christie, Jindal, Crist, McConnell, etc-- you can count me out.
Also, after reading most of these post it is clear that people with imagination, resolve, and who understand the sickness of our two-party system need to quit the Republican Party and move on. Our ancestors did it and we formed a new party and elected Abraham Lincoln.
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