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Twinkies bakers say they´d
rather lose jobs than take pay cuts

Reuters, by Carey Gillam and Martinne Geller

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Posted By:NorthernDog, 11/22/2012 9:07:27 AM

KANSAS CITY, Mo./NEW YORK - Enough is enough, say bakery workers at Hostess Brands Inc. After several years of costly concessions, the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco and Grain Millers Union (BCTGM) authorized a walk-out earlier this month after Hostess received bankruptcy court approval to implement a wage cut that was not included in its contract. (Snip) "I really can´t afford to not be working, but this is not worth it. I´d rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years. With 18,500 workers, Hostess has 12 different unions

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[With Peter Rudegeair]
In case you felt sorry for the ones who went on strike...

      


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Reply 1 - Posted by: msts, 11/22/2012 9:11:05 AM     (No. 9029059)

One more example of the late M Freidman´s question, "Is it better to be employed for $20 or unemployed at$30?".

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Reply 2 - Posted by: franq, 11/22/2012 9:11:51 AM     (No. 9029060)

I wouldn´t want the BCTRIUM union making bread anyway.

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Reply 3 - Posted by: Northcross, 11/22/2012 9:13:43 AM     (No. 9029063)

How did they determine this? A broad survey, or just two reporters finding a few people to match the story they wanted to write?

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Reply 4 - Posted by: squid, 11/22/2012 9:14:31 AM     (No. 9029065)

I have forgotten, what is the current length of government unemployment support? 1 1/2 years, 2 years, what?

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Reply 5 - Posted by: zephyrgirl, 11/22/2012 9:20:31 AM     (No. 9029078)

Selfish pigs. If they were unhappy with their compensation package, they could find another job. Instead, they threw 18,000 of their coworkers out of their jobs.

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Reply 6 - Posted by: Jethro bo, 11/22/2012 9:24:56 AM     (No. 9029090)

FTA, ". I´d rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment," Sums up the Obambi new normal. Americans are now more interested in being cradle to grave infants completely cared for by a benevolent goobernment.
We are doomed with cretins like this.

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Reply 7 - Posted by: Libertygal, 11/22/2012 9:24:57 AM     (No. 9029091)

This just says it all, doesn´t it? Not only do you choose to go on the government teat, you think you have the right to drag several thousands of others whom may disagree with you, down as well. Got to love that mindset. If I can´t have it my way, instead of finding another job, I will screw everyone I can inmy misery. A true progressive. If I am miserable, then so will be you. I am sure all those involved would love to send personal thanks to you, on this Thanksgiving Day, please, do tell us your name?

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Reply 8 - Posted by: Griz70, 11/22/2012 9:30:33 AM     (No. 9029098)

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we are losing this country.

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Reply 9 - Posted by: Rob_NC, 11/22/2012 9:33:30 AM     (No. 9029104)

...utterly amazing ...a baker is probably at the top pf the chain ...but what about the others ....esp.in this economy ...dumb move!

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Reply 10 - Posted by: MMC, 11/22/2012 9:37:16 AM     (No. 9029112)

I am sure the Baker´s spouse had other thoughts....




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Reply 11 - Posted by: Ida Lou Pino, 11/22/2012 9:40:04 AM     (No. 9029115)

OK - - that´s 18,500 more 0bamaphones.

Wouldn´t you like to have the contract for THAT nice piece of business?

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Reply 12 - Posted by: Iraengneer, 11/22/2012 9:40:35 AM     (No. 9029117)

Your proposal is accepted.

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Reply 13 - Posted by: annapolis2010dad, 11/22/2012 9:45:52 AM     (No. 9029124)

The line from the movie Forrest Gump seems to fit these clowns, "Stupid is as stupid does!"

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Reply 14 - Posted by: uno, 11/22/2012 9:48:00 AM     (No. 9029130)

I would hazard a guess that the 18,500 employee number could be whittled down to about 5000 highly motivated, productive, non-union, better paid employees. It happens all the time when you carve the union out of the equation.

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Reply 15 - Posted by: Peterieck, 11/22/2012 9:53:00 AM     (No. 9029139)

OK then! Years ago, I was fired. Cocky, I thought, "Great, now I can build my deck, between job interviews." Well, a few months in, my perspective changed. I don´t know how many jobs are out there for a Twinkie filler, but be certain, several months from now, these people will be looking at their union bosses (flush and employed) in a new light!

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Reply 16 - Posted by: peebster, 11/22/2012 9:53:57 AM     (No. 9029143)

...I heard one of the union people interviewed on the radio, and he cited bloated salaries of exeds and mis-management (of course) for the company´s demise. If they are so all-fired sure that´s the problem, then I propose that the union and it´s employees buy the company and run it. Give the execs the same pay as the line workers, make no profit, etc, and see how that works for you...it would a grand example...

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Reply 17 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 11/22/2012 10:11:20 AM     (No. 9029170)

Now that never ending unemployment seems to be a constitutional right, who needs a job ?

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Reply 18 - Posted by: lylacat, 11/22/2012 10:21:38 AM     (No. 9029205)

These people are ignorant, arrogant, greedy pigs. I would not want to eat anything they made anyway. Disgusting people.

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Reply 19 - Posted by: MDConservative, 11/22/2012 10:26:16 AM     (No. 9029209)

So the Teamsters are tossed under the bus...someone may be getting fitted for cement shoes before long. As for "bakers"...these clowns are equipment operators and ingredient hopper fillers...they couldn´t make refrigerator chocolate cookies given an oven of their own. Any baking skill was taken out of these jobs years ago.

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Reply 20 - Posted by: CzndCitzen, 11/22/2012 10:27:33 AM     (No. 9029211)

And so you shall.....

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Reply 21 - Posted by: Eheu Fugaces, 11/22/2012 10:28:00 AM     (No. 9029213)

And how do the 13,000 or so non-Bakers feel about the Bakers killing off their jobs just in time for the holidays? Happy Thanksgiving, guys, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

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Reply 22 - Posted by: Yosemite Sam, 11/22/2012 10:29:40 AM     (No. 9029216)

Stuck On Stupid!

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Reply 23 - Posted by: Davids918, 11/22/2012 10:46:05 AM     (No. 9029246)

The company was in bankrupcy court, and the teamsters accepted the deal offered, so only 1 small union group decided the fate of all the other 18,000 employees.

Good luck finding another union job processing grain or hops.

I´m sure there are plenty in your town.



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Reply 24 - Posted by: Kendet1946, 11/22/2012 10:52:38 AM     (No. 9029262)

12 unions!! No wonder the company went under. Like ticks on a dog.

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Reply 25 - Posted by: capt scurvey, 11/22/2012 10:59:50 AM     (No. 9029278)

Too bad they couldn´t of just fired the assclown bakers instead of everybody who worked there...

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Reply 26 - Posted by: ocjim, 11/22/2012 11:02:12 AM     (No. 9029282)

FTA: ´´I´d rather go work somewhere else or draw unemployment,´´ said Johnson, a worker at Hostess for 23 years.

Generous unemployment insurance is a boat anchor on our economy. Obama´s lovin´ it as he doubles down on dependence at every opportunity. He is the pusher man when it comes to hooking us entitlements and on decreasing the American work ethic.
Conservatives and free marketers have an enormous public education challenge ahead of them.

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Reply 27 - Posted by: mamafrog, 11/22/2012 11:04:43 AM     (No. 9029292)

Way too many groups capable of killing off this company. I doubt the factories will be closed long, most of the workers will be back doing the exact same job in a couple of months with different owners operating the factories. I do doubt they will hire the same executives who could not figure out a way to manage the company.

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Reply 28 - Posted by: strike3, 11/22/2012 11:05:36 AM     (No. 9029293)

You´re getting your wish, idiots. We´ll check back with you when the unemployment checks stop.

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Reply 29 - Posted by: Safari Man, 11/22/2012 11:07:19 AM     (No. 9029300)

Why not? We have a safety net that is more like a hammock.


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Reply 30 - Posted by: ocjim, 11/22/2012 11:08:19 AM     (No. 9029305)

And I liked another poster´s observation that the title ´´Baker´´ today means knowing where to find the ´´On´´ button on the fully automated Twinkie Mix, Bake and Ship machine.
Ridiculous situation. America´s being had by these desperate, thug unions wherever they connive still cling to power. They need to be gone.

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Reply 31 - Posted by: Philipsonh, 11/22/2012 11:08:23 AM     (No. 9029306)

We are not given the data, that is, the wages these employees were making and the benefits they received. We are creating opinions without sufficient information. I expect that
the employees feel they can do better on unemployment, food stamps, and other government benefits.

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Reply 32 - Posted by: GLS2, 11/22/2012 11:11:56 AM     (No. 9029315)

Go on strike, forfeit unemployment.

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Reply 33 - Posted by: EnsignO´Toole, 11/22/2012 11:16:15 AM     (No. 9029325)

Hostess should have pulled the plug in the first bankruptcy rather than continue to support 12 unions. I can´t see how 12 different unions could be involved with the production of bread and sweets. For once the Teamsters Union showed some smarts, but too late.

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Reply 34 - Posted by: killerbee, 11/22/2012 11:27:10 AM     (No. 9029348)

#28: You´re getting your wish, idiots. We´ll check back with you when the unemployment checks stop.

That´s when he´ll go on disability.

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Reply 35 - Posted by: roger h. cook,MD, 11/22/2012 11:37:13 AM     (No. 9029363)

not to worry depending which state they lieve ,they will get more money and "things" then when they" worked.

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Reply 36 - Posted by: johnny45, 11/22/2012 12:03:11 PM     (No. 9029407)

Before we condemn all of these employees, I would like to know how management has treated them. I bet that it hasn´t been good.

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Reply 37 - Posted by: mort, 11/22/2012 12:08:39 PM     (No. 9029419)

Just fixing number 8´s response:

"This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we lost this country."

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Reply 38 - Posted by: Rumblehog, 11/22/2012 12:09:37 PM     (No. 9029424)

As it is written, so shall it be.

Imagine their shock when they discover their Union management has been pilfering the funds over the years and there´s no money left for them to live on... as promised?

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Reply 39 - Posted by: bighambone, 11/22/2012 12:23:40 PM     (No. 9029443)

You figure if one takes advantage of all the government run social benefit and welfare programs, they probably add up to about $45,000.00. So why get up really early every morning to bake bread and twinkies and be paid about $35,000.00? You can see why a lot of people chose to vote for Obama to preserve those benefit and welfare programs.

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Reply 40 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/22/2012 12:32:53 PM     (No. 9029462)

A couple of people asked my question, how do you end up with 12 unions for making bread and pastry?

And management is on top of that, another set of skills.

IMO Hostess was headed for the ditch.

I´ll make a rough, very rough, estimate now:

Suppose the bakers had accepted an 8% cut.; 8% for 30% of the workers. And that wages are 40% of company costs. So Hostess would cut costs roughly 1%.

Do you think 1% would have saved Hostess? I don´t.


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Reply 41 - Posted by: Passion, 11/22/2012 12:57:56 PM     (No. 9029494)

#40 you don´t understand. That 8% was for all 40% of the overhead - in other words - 3.2% right off the top. Yes, that could indeed mean the difference for a company dealing in 1-5% margins.



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Reply 42 - Posted by: Spidey, 11/22/2012 1:10:48 PM     (No. 9029507)

I heard Hostess is getting tons of buyout offers. I´m keeping my fingers crossed that the new owner(s) are US conservatives.

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Reply 43 - Posted by: whyyeseyec, 11/22/2012 1:23:58 PM     (No. 9029521)

Look on the bright side. There will be 18500 fewer people stampeding into Walmart, Target and Best Buys tomorrow.....

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Reply 44 - Posted by: KTWO, 11/22/2012 1:25:50 PM     (No. 9029523)

#41 Your point taken. I didn´t realize it was to be a package deal, a cut for all 18,000 workers.

Or, other than wages, what overhead cuts? If management could have cut elsewhere why didn´t they? That is their job.

I think the bakers messed up by walking out. But it sounds like Hostess had fundamental problems anyway.




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Reply 45 - Posted by: Emerson, 11/22/2012 1:25:58 PM     (No. 9029524)

This was not just about wages and bonuses. The unions had imposed such onerous transportation regulations (two separate trucks, loaded by two separate crews, driven by two separate drivers - and none of which/whom could be used for any other product - bread for bread, Twinkie for Twinkie, and so forth, no crossing over - to take Hostess products to the same destination.

FTA:

Aside from those so-called onerous labor contracts, Hostess has grappled for some time with rising ingredient costs and a growing health consciousness that has made its sugary cakes less popular. It filed for bankruptcy in January, only three years after emerging from a prior bankruptcy.

Moochelle did her part, lobbying for no sweet treats anywhere. Not in vending machines, not at snack bars, not in hospital cafeterias, you name it. Banned. Let´s place blame where blame is due.

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Reply 46 - Posted by: Packard Man, 11/22/2012 2:03:20 PM     (No. 9029566)

Give ´em what they want!

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Reply 47 - Posted by: sgtfox of the jarhead clan, 11/22/2012 2:34:43 PM     (No. 9029594)

Maybe the company could convert from Twinkies to purple phones that play only jungle music. The DNC needs millions of them. Just name your price

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Reply 48 - Posted by: jimK1, 11/22/2012 2:36:54 PM     (No. 9029596)

And starting in January, the length of unemployment goes back to what? I wish it were 6 weeks.

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Reply 49 - Posted by: glcinpdx, 11/22/2012 3:00:56 PM     (No. 9029622)

On the up side, these people now have plenty of time to go from standing in the picket line to standing in the unemployment line, welfare line, food stamps line, disability benefits line, Obamaphone line and local soup kitchen line...

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Reply 50 - Posted by: Kurto, 11/22/2012 5:27:44 PM     (No. 9029762)

The union said new owners were needed...

New owners may not need the union...

The value of Hostess is in the brand names and the products can be made in more modern facilities with much less labor.

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Reply 51 - Posted by: raisedright2, 11/22/2012 5:47:24 PM     (No. 9029779)

Wife of *former* Hostess bread plant manager here.

Twinkies had 140 calories. There were Twinkie and other Hostess cakes in 100 calorie packages.

Food companies have a very low profit margin, so yes, 1% could make a difference. Please stop making judgments until you have researched a company.

How were they treated by management? Every company has it´s share of jerks. Someone here said they were probably treated poorly. Please research before making judgments. They had excellent pay and benefits.

Union employees were not paying anything for health benefits, unlike non-union employees. They were asked to go from paying zero to 17%, like my husband paid.

Snack cakes could not be transported on bread trucks, and vice versa. Snack cake employees could not stock bread, etc.

Most jobs were simple, but there *are* jobs where you can´t just call temps in. Understanding how to work with dough takes time. Furthermore, Manpower refuses to send temps in to plants on strike. Some local temp services will, but who wants to be a vendor for a company in bankruptcy?

Hard to update equipment in plants when you are in bankruptcy. Hard to keep good management in place, and I mean locally as well as at the corporate level. At my husband´s plant, there were several management jobs unfilled. No one would come on board.

Union reps told employees that Hostess would come around after only 5 hours of strike. Others were told they would be bought out immediately. Well, there are some offers - for Twinkies, but nothing so far for the bread plants. So, hubby´s bread plant is sitting idle, and will most likely be liquidated very soon. For the poster who said they would all be back to work soon, I can only say that I wish you were right.

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Reply 52 - Posted by: mominNoCA, 11/22/2012 5:59:17 PM     (No. 9029789)

Idiots. All of them.

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Reply 53 - Posted by: ColonialAmerican1623, 11/22/2012 11:40:38 PM     (No. 9030048)

Where are 18,500 workers going to find jobs in this econonmy ?

Employees today have no clue what it costs for their employers to stay in business or the true cost of benefits. We have kids coming out of school with the impression they should make as much as their employer and they have poor work ethics. Hire someone today and wait for their probation officer to show up and their pay to be garnished for child support.

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Reply 54 - Posted by: Trigger2, 11/23/2012 5:26:09 AM     (No. 9030167)

Good. They lost their jobs. Now they can suck off the goobermint teat.

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Reply 55 - Posted by: franq, 11/23/2012 8:24:06 AM     (No. 9030338)

Greed. I pay 25% of the cost of my medical. It doesn´t break me. But I could see how an employee could get spoiled from having to go from no contribution to 17%.

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Reply 56 - Posted by: pineledger, 11/24/2012 5:49:02 AM     (No. 9031388)

...especially draw unemployment.

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President Obama addressed the White House press corps today, announcing that with the final numbers in, Obamacare´s exchanges have attracted eight million sign-ups -- 35 percent of whom are "under the age of 35," he said. Several elements of his comments were misleading: (1) At first blush, the 35 percent stat is both significant and impressive. As recently as last month, the share of "young invincibles" signing up for plans was struggling in the 25 percent range, far short of the actuarial target of nearly 40 percent. A leap into the mid-30´s, while still shy of the goal, would constitute a major step, and would bode well for the risk pools'

Michelle Obama Riverdances
Through Dublin to the Tune
of $7,921,638

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Breitbart Big Peace, by Tom Fitton    Original Article
Posted By: JoniTx- 4/17/2014 6:45:16 AM     Post Reply
When it comes to tracking the cost of Obama family vacations, there are two primary challenges. First, the Obamas are prolific jet-setters, so there are many details to track. Second, the Obama administration, clearly embarrassed by these lavish and frequent family vacations, stonewalls the release of records at every turn. But we have been relentless in pursuit of this information. Our attorneys file the lawsuits and make our case, and our investigators pour through pages of records and crunch the numbers. And the information we’ve uncovered – information that would otherwise remain under lock and key – shows that the

The Folly Of The Bundy Ranch Rebellion
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The Federalist, by Grace Olmstead    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 4:21:46 AM     Post Reply
It’s the stuff of Westerns: a showdown on the desert plains, the big bad government against an underdog farmer. Though the story has only grabbed national headlines in the past several days, rancher Cliven Bundy has illegally grazed cattle on the Nevada land surrounding his farm for over 20 years. He hasn’t paid grazing fees since 1993, and refuses to renew the necessary grazing permit.(Snip)Rather than using the avenues and pathways presented to him, Bundy has staunchly declared his own law and allegiances. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work this way. If only it did—we could rebel for paying stupid taxes, refuse to

Students Demand Acknowledgement of
Robert E. Lee´s ´Racist and Dishonorable Conduct´

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Breitbart´s Big Government, by AWR Hawkins    Original Article
Posted By: Desert Fox- 4/18/2014 12:35:28 PM     Post Reply
A group of seven multiracial Washington and Lee University (W&L) students are demanding the school remove all Confederate flags from campus and "acknowledge" General Robert E. Lee´s "dishonorable side." According to the Roanoke Times, "seven multiracial students, calling themselves ´The Committee,´" have also demanded the school "acknowledge and apologize for participating in chattel slavery." They want recognition of "Martin Luther King Jr. Day on the undergraduate campus" and an end to "neo-Confederates" marching across campus "to the Lee Chapel on Lee-Jackson Day." The students say they will "engage in civil disobedience" if their demands are not met by September 1st. They added: "The

Pelosi assists in Holy Week
foot-washing ritual

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San Francisco Chronicle, by Staff    Original Article
Posted By: Harlowe- 4/18/2014 11:46:54 AM     Post Reply
To "honor the dignity and work of immigrants," Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi helps Bishop Marc Andrus wash the feet of two children Thursday at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco. Pelosi also used the occasion to talk about passing HR15 - bipartisan immigration legislation that her office says would "reduce the deficit by nearly $1 trillion, secure our borders, unite our families, protect our workers and provide an earned pathway to citizenship." The Democratic leader´s ceremony coincides with Pope Francis´ similar ceremony in Rome to mark Holy Week.

Deadbeat on the Range
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New York Times, by Timothy Eagan    Original Article
Posted By: Pluperfect- 4/18/2014 3:52:52 PM     Post Reply
Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital. Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans?


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